Set in Stone... MLB Players Stay with Original Franchises - Page 8

tward13 · 01-06-2006, 10:55 PM

Are you going to leave Live Oak's career average as the standard? Kind of rough having a 4 year career in the 1880's be the record forever.

Matt from TN · 01-08-2006, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tward13

Are you going to leave Live Oak's career average as the standard? Kind of rough having a 4 year career in the 1880's be the record forever.

I was waiting for the 154-game schedule to become constant, which it has. I need to find out the ML minimum plate appearance and IP / GP requirements and make the change.

tward13 · 01-08-2006, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

I was waiting for the 154-game schedule to become constant, which it has. I need to find out the ML minimum plate appearance and IP / GP requirements and make the change.

It's been 3.1 plate appearances per game and one IP per team game played for as long as I can remember. I believe the batting title rules were different at least back in Ted Williams' days.

It's more Live Oak's career number in such a short career that seems odd. Baseball arbitrarily started recounting a lot of records with 1901 at some point. Mostly because the batting average rules were different in the early days.

Matt from TN · 01-08-2006, 05:06 PM

OK. I did want to change career requirements eventually but not too soon. I didn't want all old records to disappear in 1901. Now that we've had the 154-game schedule for about a decade, it's a good time.

Matt from TN · 01-11-2006, 12:57 AM

Key Incoming Rookies for 1911:

NATIONAL LEAGUE

Boston

P Lefty Tyler
--- Age 21, 10(91)/6/3 talent

RF Doc Miller
--- Age 28, 9/10/7/4/5 ratings

Chicago

1B Vic Saier
--- Age 19, 6/9/10/9/6 talent

Cincinnati

P Pat Ragan
--- Age 22, 9/6/6 ratings

CF Armando Marsans
--- Age 23, 8/5/5/2/8 talent
--- From Baseball Library.com:

Quote:

Marsans was not the first Cuban in the major leagues, but he was the first successful and highly popular one. Half black, he was light-skinned enough to cross baseball's rigid color line, and could be considerd the first black in 20th-century major league ball.

New York

SS Art Fletcher
--- Age 26, 7/8/6/2/8 talent

C Grover Hartley, "Slick"
--- Age 22, 5/5/3/7/7 talent

Philadelphia

P Pete Alexander, "Grover Cleveland"
--- Age 24, 10(124)/9/8 talent

P George Chalmers
--- Age 22, 9/5/3 talent

1B Fred Luderus
--- Age 25, 7/9/10/4/4

Pittsburgh

P Claude Hendrix
--- Age 22, 10(118)/6/3 talent

CF Max Carey, "Scoops"
--- Age 21, 7/7/6/7/6 talent

St. Louis

RF Frank Gilhooley, "Flash"
--- Age 18, 7/5/6/9/8 talent

AMERICAN LEAGUE

Boston

P Buck O'Brien
--- Age 28, 10(115)/6/5 talent

C Les Nunamaker
--- Age 22, 7/8/6/7/6 talent

2B Steve Yerkes
--- Age 22, 6/9/4/6/7 talent

Chicago

P Joe Benz, "Blitzen"
--- Age 25, 9/8/3 talent

CF Ping Bodie
--- Age 23, 7/9/8/5/7 talent

Cleveland

P Vean Gregg
--- Age 26, 10(105)/5/8 talent

P Bill James, "Big Bill"
--- Age 24, 8/4/3 talent

P Gene Krapp, "Rubber Arm"
--- Age 23, 10(118)/2/8 talent

SS Ivy Olson
--- Age 25, 6/6/5/3/8 talent

CF Tim Hendryx
--- Age 20, 7/8/6/10/5 talent

Detroit

P Ed Lafitte
--- Age 25, 8/6/6 talent

1B Del Gainer
--- Age 24, 6/8/7/6/5 talent

2B Paddy Baumann
--- Age 25, 6/7/6/6/6 talent

LF Delos Drake
--- Age 24, 6/5/5/3/6 talent

New York

P Ray Caldwell, "Rube"
--- Age 22, 9/7/4 talent

P Ray Fisher, "Pick"
--- Age 23, 9/7/6 talent

Philadelphia

1B Stuffy McInnis
--- Age 20, 9/7/6/4/8 talent

LF Joe Jackson, "Shoeless Joe"
--- Age 21, 10/10/8/7/7 talent
--- Man, the A's were already good!

St. Louis

LF Burt Shotton
--- Age 26, 7/6/5/10/6 talent

Washington

LF Tilly Walker
--- Age 23, 7/9/10/6/5 talent

C John Henry, "Bull"
--- Age 21, 5/6/4/8/5 talent

Sir Lurksalot · 01-11-2006, 02:18 AM

Both Philadelphia teams got some help. Alexander's stats are ungodly!

tward13 · 01-11-2006, 08:29 AM

Wow, I didn't remember that the A's get Jackson too. Plus McInnis, another piece of the $100,000 infield.

Should he be Grover Cleveland Alexander, "Pete"?

Matt from TN · 01-11-2006, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tward13

Should he be Grover Cleveland Alexander, "Pete"?

Perhaps, but he's listed on bb-ref.com as Pete.

Matt from TN · 01-11-2006, 07:49 PM

1911 National League

Code:

Team                        W   L   %  GB
New York Giants            97  57 .630 -
Pittsburgh Pirates         89  65 .578 8
Chicago Cubs               87  67 .565 10
Cincinnati Reds            78  76 .506 19
Philadelphia Phillies      74  80 .481 23
St. Louis Cardinals        70  84 .455 27
Boston Rustlers            66  88 .429 31
Brooklyn Dodgers           55  99 .357 42

League AVG: .274
League ERA: 3.63

The Giants were once again clearly the top team in the league. However, winning the pennant was tougher this year since the Pirates and Cubs stayed in the race until mid-September. At that point, the Giants went on a 5-1 run to put the lead out of reach. After that hot spurt, New York lost 8 of their next 11 (including 3 of 4 to Pittsburgh). It was not enough though, and the Giants made their 3rd straight World Series appearance.

New York Giants

Lineup:

Code:

	Name 		G   AB   H  2B 3B HR RBI  R  BB K   AVG  OBP  SLG 
RF	J. Devore 	127 497 184  8 11  3  61 113 42 44 .370 .428 .449 
2B	L. Doyle 	144 584 214 35 14  2 103 110 54 38 .366 .420 .485 
CF	F. Snodgrass 	152 542 197 32 16  3  85 113 87 58 .363 .464 .498 
LF	M. McCormick 	146 573 185 25  8  6 125  79 39 65 .323 .366 .426 
1B	F. Merkle 	148 559 171 31 18  6 102  81 38 79 .306 .351 .458 
CA	C. Meyers 	131 528 155 20  6  4  82  61 23 61 .294 .325 .377 
3B	A. Devlin 	145 593 172 23 10  2  41 120 67 44 .290 .366 .373 
SS	A. Fletcher 	148 525 150 24 12  1  93  64 30 41 .286 .353 .383

Pitchers:

Code:

Name 		G  GS W  L SV ERA   IP   HA  R   ER  BB  K 
R. Marquard 	43 43 29 11 0 2.73 379.2 377 139 115 80 217 
R. Ames 	35 35 20 14 0 2.99 301.1 299 128 100 73 147 
C. Mathewson 	39 34 18 14 3 3.91 299.0 338 152 130 39 102 
D. Crandall 	31 27 14 10 0 3.87 239.2 262 125 103 45 115 
H. Wiltse 	18 15 10  4 0 2.55 130.2 129  57  37 36 52

Pittsburgh Pirates

Lineup:

Code:

	Name 		G   AB   H  2B 3B HR RBI  R  BB K   AVG  OBP  SLG 
SS	H. Wagner 	151 612 228 27 27  5 73 108  54 55 .373 .422 .529 
LF	G. Beaumont 	118 432 146  8  3  2 64  63  27 34 .338 .383 .384 
RF	C. Wilson 	119 432 126 15  7  3 52  64  30 70 .292 .340 .380 
CA	E. Phelps 	109 387 111 15  2  2 49  33  28 63 .287 .341 .351 
CF	S. Hofman 	150 647 184 35 11  7 59  82  48 99 .284 .334 .405 
2B	D. Miller 	140 495 136 27  7  1 62  47  34 61 .275 .323 .364 
3B	J. Williams 	144 609 165 27 18  0 65  71  24 82 .271 .303 .374 
1B	J. Flynn 	108 384 101  9  5  3 58  36  24 55 .263 .303 .336

Pitchers:

Code:

Name 		G  GS W  L SV ERA   IP   HA  R   ER  BB  K 
C. Hendrix 	35 35 22 10 0 3.04 305.0 274 126 103 87 175 
R. Waddell 	34 34 18 13 0 3.47 290.1 279 136 112 61 136 
C. Falkenberg 	30 25 14 11 0 3.94 221.2 270 118 97  65 90 
H. Camnitz 	34 34 14 16 0 3.46 288.2 295 141 111 64 171 
J. Pfiester 	29 15 12 6  0 2.30 148.2 121 50  38  39 72

Chicago Cubs

Lineup:

Code:

	Name 		G   AB   H  2B 3B HR RBI  R  BB K   AVG  OBP  SLG 
LF	Z. Harvey 	147 607 204 31 12  2 65  77  23 53 .336 .362 .437 
3B	H. Zimmerman 	144 576 184 27 11  6 82  74  49 78 .319 .370 .436 
1B	G. Moriarty 	146 529 168 18 15  4 82  76  30 61 .318 .357 .431 
2B	J. Evers 	111 418 128 12  7  6 63  65  31 36 .306 .353 .411 
RF	D. Green 	109 400 122  7  6  0 46  50  31 21 .305 .351 .352 
SS	J. Tinker 	154 685 197 41 14  3 59  94  26 53 .288 .312 .401 
CF	V. Campbell 	153 550 151 27  7 11 76  63  36 74 .275 .331 .409 
CA	F. Chance 	134 446 108 22 15  5 63  60  33 58 .242 .313 .392

Pitchers:

Code:

Name 		G  GS W  L SV ERA   IP   HA  R   ER  BB  K 
E. Reulbach 	44 44 29 14 0 2.99 381.2 371 164 127 111 224 
F. Glade 	39 39 20 17 0 3.74 329.2 380 157 137  76 144 
C. Lundgren 	37 29 13 14 6 3.85 250.0 262 136 107  76 126 
B. Pfeffer 	28 20 11  5 0 2.54 184.1 156  57  52  54 111 
T. Hughes 	22 11  7  6 1 4.93 107.2 140  71  59  28 53

Cincinnati Reds

Lineup:

Code:

	Name 		G   AB   H  2B 3B HR RBI  R  BB K   AVG  OBP  SLG 
CF	J. Barrett 	114 430 135  7  4 1   27 66  55 59 .314 .398 .356 
LF	M. Mitchell 	145 588 181 21  9 3   52 89  33 84 .308 .343 .389 
1B	D. Hoblitzel 	142 555 167 23 12 7   86 70  31 64 .301 .336 .423 
RF	S. Crawford 	153 589 173 34 14 6   82 82  64 47 .294 .365 .430 
SS	A. Bridwell 	118 428 123 16  4 3   52 60  44 58 .287 .357 .364 
3B	H. Lobert 	146 554 156 23 11 5   84 73  35 76 .282 .331 .390 
CA	L. McLean 	111 423 119 15  3 2   56 43   8 38 .281 .290 .345 
2B	M. Huggins 	147 473 124  7  5 2   56 48  69 76 .262 .355 .311

Pitchers:

Code:

Name 		G  GS W  L SV ERA   IP   HA  R   ER  BB  K 
C. Hall 	43 43 23 19 0 3.91 361.0 365 176 157 120 208 
O. Overall 	43 43 19 20 0 4.06 357.1 365 185 161 124 195 
N. Hahn 	40 40 18 18 0 3.61 339.1 358 169 136  75 127 
P. Ragan 	21 21  9  9 0 3.46 182.0 221  89  70  33 66

Philadelphia Phillies

Lineup:

Code:

	Name 		G   AB   H  2B 3B HR RBI  R  BB K   AVG  OBP  SLG 
2B	N. Lajoie 	146 581 205 48 10  5 100 84  33 67 .353 .396 .496 
LF	G. Browne 	141 550 171 20 12  5  93 76  32 55 .311 .355 .418 
SS	M. Doolan 	139 525 154 29 15  0  77 53  26 88 .293 .324 .406 
CF	E. Flick 	149 564 165 27 9   5  59 100 54 65 .293 .368 .399 
1B	S. Magee 	148 619 169 27 15  2  44 100 31 54 .273 .308 .375 
RF	J. Titus 	142 562 150 24 3   2  45 72  40 59 .267 .324 .331 
3B	J. Ward 	137 503 108 20 5   3  51 30  22 58 .215 .246 .292 
CA	D. Cotter 	115 368  73  6 2   4  45 32  38 58 .198 .270 .258

Pitchers:

Code:

Name 		G  GS W  L SV ERA   IP   HA  R   ER  BB  K 
P. Alexander 	42 42 21 16 0 2.49 365.1 355 129 101 81 208 
E. Stack 	34 30 19 12 0 3.48 263.2 272 121 102 59 106 
G. McQuillan 	43 43 19 18 0 3.24 375.0 407 173 135 60 162 
D. White 	22 19  7  9 2 5.12 170.2 178 108  97 40 78 
H. Coveleski 	19 19  5 12 0 5.34 158.1 194 112  94 42 77

St. Louis Cardinals

Lineup:

Code:

	Name 		 G   AB   H  2B 3B HR RBI  R  BB K   AVG  OBP  SLG 
SS	B. Wallace 	 143 554 175 26  5 4  78  70  39 40 .316 .359 .403 
CF	H. Smoot 	 146 574 178 25  7 2  66  70  43 51 .310 .355 .389 
1B	A. Burch 	 113 435 128  9  2 1  38  58  31 28 .294 .340 .331 
LF	M. Donlin 	 142 553 158 14  8 3  78  63  22 67 .286 .310 .356 
3B	B. Byrne 	 141 550 148 27 10 1  49  60  31 58 .269 .313 .360 
RF	R. Murray 	 145 611 160 25 14 7  54  84  51 76 .262 .318 .383 
2B	L. DeMontreville 142 491 121 19  2 2  51  40  43 72 .246 .319 .305 
CA	A. Hoelskoetter  125 435 101 13  2 4  46  44  34 49 .232 .288 .299

Pitchers:

Code:

Name 		G  GS W  L SV ERA   IP   HA  R   ER  BB  K 
M. Brown 	42 42 19 20 0 3.99 351.2 395 181 156 75 183 
B. Adams 	42 42 18 21 0 3.72 365.0 429 195 151 63 143 
I. Higginbotham 43 43 17 20 0 3.27 365.2 429 163 133 67 159 
E. Karger 	22 22  8  8 0 3.56 187.1 225  90  74 27 61

Boston Doves

Lineup:

Code:

	Name 		G   AB   H  2B 3B HR RBI  R  BB K   AVG  OBP  SLG 
CF	J. Bates 	148 537 175 22 19 3  74  80  54 72 .326 .400 .454 
RF	D. Miller 	146 572 184 29 10 3  73  74  31 70 .322 .353 .423 
2B	J. Delahanty 	145 587 174 19 19 3  50  80  22 50 .296 .335 .409 
LF	B. Becker 	147 554 161 26 14 2  80  71  32 50 .291 .327 .399 
1B	F. Beck 	144 511 143 17 18 8  82  48  33 88 .280 .330 .431 
3B	B. Sweeney 	143 520 141 21 11 1  58  55  40 78 .271 .320 .360 
SS	E. Abbaticchio 	146 601 145 17  5 4  42  79  44 80 .241 .295 .306 
CA	B. Rariden 	111 358  49  5  3 2  30  23  36 44 .137 .213 .184

Pitchers:

Code:

Name 		G  GS W  L SV ERA   IP   HA  R   ER  BB  K 
E. Donnelly 	44 44 19 20 0 3.35 382.0 424 172 142 83 129 
S. Frock 	41 41 17 23 0 3.16 350.1 347 141 123 93 154 
J. Boultes 	34 34 16 15 0 3.22 288.0 291 137 103 88 119 
L. Tyler 	21 16  6  8 0 2.99 144.1 142 55  48  46 55 
I. Young 	26 13  5 15 1 5.92 117.0 146 89  77  39 43

Brooklyn Superbas

Lineup:

Code:

	Name 		G   AB   H  2B 3B HR RBI  R  BB K   AVG  OBP  SLG 
1B	J. Daubert 	112 417 142 16  6 4  73  51  30 51 .341 .387 .436 
LF	J. Sheckard 	126 453 149 14 12 2  34  69  54 70 .329 .413 .426 
RF	H. Lumley 	147 611 198 45 14 6  73 105  40 50 .324 .365 .473 
CF	D. Gessler 	120 416 118 14  4 5  50  53  37 49 .284 .339 .373 
2B	E. Beck 	140 551 145 20  5 1  62  48  16 57 .263 .282 .323 
3B	E. Batch 	144 536 123 16  7 2  59  48  36 46 .229 .283 .297 
SS	T. McMillan 	143 507 104 18  2 4  42  36  28 67 .205 .261 .272 
CA	L. Ritter 	105 365  57  4  2 1  28  27  17 41 .156 .192 .186

Pitchers:

Code:

Name 		G  GS W  L SV ERA   IP   HA  R   ER  BB  K 
B. Schardt 	42 42 17 18 0 3.53 369.2 363 159 145 117 173 
N. Rucker 	44 44 15 26 0 3.81 375.2 407 184 159 103 182 
H. Howell 	32 32  8 23 0 5.08 271.0 332 185 153  80 122 
B. Donovan 	28 20  6 13 0 4.54 182.1 198 103  92  70 85

Batting AVG
.373 Honus Wagner, PIT
.370 Josh Devore, NYG
.366 Larry Doyle, NYG
.363 Fred Snodgrass, NYG
.353 Nap Lajoie, PHI

HOMERUNS
11 Vin Campbell, CHC
8 Fred Beck, BSN

RBI
125 Moose McCormick, NYG
103 Larry Doyle, NYG
102 Fred Merkle, NYG
100 Nap Lajoie, PHI

OPS
.962 Fred Snodgrass, NYG
.951 Honus Wagner, PIT
.905 Larry Doyle, NYG
.892 Nap Lajoie, PHI
.877 Josh Devore, NYG

STEALS
68 Art Devlin, NYG
66 Fred Snodgrass, NYG
57 Josh Devore, NYG
51 Honus Wagner, PIT
43 Hans Lobert, CIN

ERA
2.49 Pete Alexander, PHI
2.54 Big Jeff Pfeffer, CHC
2.73 Rube Marquard, NYG
2.99 Red Ames, NYG
2.99 Ed Reulbach, CHC

WINS
29 Rube Marquard, NYG
29 Ed Reulbach, CHC
23 Charley Hall, CIN
22 Claude Hendrix, PIT
21 Pete Alexander, PHI

STRIKEOUTS
224 Ed Reulbach, CHC
217 Rube Marquard, NYG
208 Charley Hall, CIN
208 Pete Alexander, PHI
195 Orval Overall, CIN

POY: Rube Marquard, NYG, 25, 29-11, 2.73 ERA, 80 BB, 217 K, .259 OAVG, 1.20 WHIP
BOY: 2B Larry Doyle, NYG, 25, .366, 103 RBI, 37 SB, .905 OPS
ROY: Pete Alexander, PHI, 21-16, 2.49 ERA, 81 BB, 208 K, .252 OAVG, 1.19 WHIP

Gold Gloves:
Pitcher: Ed Karger, STL, 1
Catcher: Frank Chance, CHC, 1
First Base: Fred Beck, BSN, 1
Second Base: Nap Lajoie, PHI, 4
Third Base: Joe Ward, PHI, 3
Shortstop: Joe Tinker, CHC, 3
Leftfield: Mike Mitchell, CIN, 2
Centerfield: Solly Hofman, PIT, 4
Rightfield: Chief Wilson, PIT, 1

Matt from TN · 01-11-2006, 07:52 PM

Please let me know what you think of the new format. Is it too impersonal? Do the 1st initials instead of 1st names make it too hard to recognize players?

Matt from TN · 01-11-2006, 10:01 PM

1911 American League

Code:

Team                        W   L   %  GB
Philadelphia Athletics     91  63 .591 -
Boston Red Sox             84  70 .545 7
New York Highlanders       82  72 .532 9
Detroit Tigers             82  72 .532 9
Washington Senators        78  76 .506 13
Cleveland Bronchos         72  82 .468 19
Chicago White Sox          68  86 .442 23
St. Louis Browns           59  95 .383 32

League AVG: .269
League ERA: 3.40

Boston and Philadelphia have simply dominated the American League. The two teams have finished 1-2 in each of the past four seasons, splitting the pennant over that period. The Athletics have finished 1st or 2nd in 9 of the past 10 seasons. Boston has done the same in 7 consecutive seasons. Philadelphia won the World Series in 1902 and 1903, while Boston won in 1907 and 1909. This season, the A's were not easy to keep up with, thanks largely to the emergence of rookie sensations Joe Jackson and Stuffy McInnis. Five regular A's hit over .300 and two-time Top Batter Bris Lord hit .290. As for Boston, 4-time Top Pitcher Norwood Gibson had his worst season, although he still won 21 games. Young Joe Wood took over the role of ace and is considered by many as the top hurler in the league at age 21. Detroit had enough gas to move into a tie for 3rd with New York. The Tigers won 23 more games than last season. CF Ty Cobb, just 24, carried the team on his back with a major league leading .384 average and 105 RBI for just the 5th best offense.

Philadelphia Athletics

Lineup:

Code:

	Name 		G   AB   H  2B 3B HR RBI  R  BB K   AVG  OBP  SLG 
LF	J. Jackson 	152 586 219 45 10  6 115 111 60 45 .374 .432 .515 
2B	E. Collins 	152 659 240 30 11  3  61 129 49 47 .364 .411 .457 
1B	S. McInnis 	137 532 185 29  7  2  92  61 21 32 .348 .374 .440 
RF	M. McIntyre 	143 539 175 26  9  1  87  79 73 39 .325 .408 .412 
3B	F. Baker 	151 615 198 36 13  2  87  96 41 51 .322 .363 .433 
CF	B. Lord 	137 572 166 21  7  6  67  84 32 48 .290 .326 .383 
SS	J. Knight 	111 406 100 19  6  3  44  40 31 58 .246 .298 .345 
CA	J. Lapp 	114 404  85 14  2  4  49  40 20 29 .210 .248 .285

Pitchers:

Code:

Name 		G  GS W  L SV ERA   IP   HA  R   ER  BB  K 
C. Bender 	43 43 24 17 0 2.75 373.1 389 150 114 30 144 
H. Krause 	41 41 22 17 0 3.42 355.1 383 167 135 96 167 
W. Henley 	40 40 20 14 0 3.17 343.2 360 141 121 74 164 
J. Dygert 	20 20 17  3 0 3.15 171.1 158  68  60 57 99

Boston Red Sox

Lineup:

Code:

	Name 		G   AB   H  2B 3B HR RBI  R  BB K   AVG  OBP  SLG 
2B	A. McConnell 	117 423 153 14  3  2  32  86 33 34 .362 .424 .423 
LF	G. Stone 	115 449 155 11  7  0  68  62 33 43 .345 .391 .401 
CF	T. Speaker 	151 594 195 32 19  3  89 127 67 42 .328 .400 .461 
3B	H. Lord 	144 579 189 16 13  4 110  91 18 51 .326 .347 .420 
1B	J. Stahl 	137 498 140 22  6  7  79  53 25 73 .281 .331 .392 
SS	L. Gardner 	144 555 153 20  8  1  72  75 37 40 .276 .319 .346 
CA	B. Carrigan 	129 474 115 19  1  4  60  48 24 55 .243 .282 .312 
RF	H. Hooper 	110 416  97 13  9  5  36  64 29 25 .233 .293 .344 
OF	G. Cravath 	102 348  80 19  4  5  54  36 32 44 .230 .301 .351

Pitchers:

Code:

Name 		G  GS W  L SV ERA   IP   HA  R    ER  BB  K 
J. Wood 	44 44 26 15 0 2.16 383.1 341 135  92  73 182 
N. Gibson 	41 41 21 18 0 3.74 349.1 360 172 145 123 130 
R. Glaze 	35 35 16 15 0 2.62 302.1 283 121  88  77 106 
F. Arellanes 	17 17 10  5 0 3.72 145.1 147  66  60  32  61 
R. Collins 	24 16  8  7 7 5.70 143.2 166 103  91  42  69

New York Highlanders

Lineup:

Code:

	Name 		G   AB   H  2B 3B HR RBI  R  BB K   AVG  OBP  SLG 
2B	C. Engle 	141 599 185 38 10  6  59 93  49 54 .309 .364 .436 
CA 	R. Bresnahan 	137 490 151 19 10  3  63 80  84 58 .308 .407 .406 
1B	H. Chase 	147 601 185 21  9  1  80 77  22 57 .308 .336 .378 
LF	B. Cree 	147 612 182 24 17  5  57 98  44 81 .297 .348 .417 
3B	F. LaPorte 	142 566 152 38  4  1  84 53  21 77 .269 .295 .355 
RF	B. Lush 	123 406 105  9  6  3  44 44  57 63 .259 .352 .333 
SS	N. Ball 	146 566 141 26  7  1  65 62  20 54 .249 .277 .325 
CF	B. Daniels 	150 488 117 27  9  3  73 59  30 46 .240 .308 .350

Pitchers:

Code:

Name 		G  GS W  L SV ERA   IP   HA  R   ER  BB  K 
R. Ford 	42 42 24 15 0 2.18 375.0 298 112  91 82 194 
H. Vaughn 	44 44 23 18 0 3.16 387.2 392 166 136 90 170 
B. Hogg 	26 22 16  7 0 2.99 195.2 176  79  65 53 102 
J. Warhop 	25 19  8 11 0 3.54 175.2 201  91  69 45 83 
J. Quinn 	25 19  5 13 2 4.06 173.0 214 104  78 35 47

Detroit Tigers

Lineup:

Code:

	Name 		G   AB   H  2B 3B HR RBI  R  BB K   AVG  OBP  SLG 
CF	T. Cobb 	151 588 226 33 21  3 105 102 50 43 .384 .437 .527 
1B	C. Carr 	143 559 171 21  6  0  97  40 22 72 .306 .329 .365 
SS	D. Bush 	147 600 175 14  4  1  43  91 60 43 .292 .357 .333 
2B	S. Nicholls 	104 365 101  9  3  1  38  33 11 55 .277 .294 .326 
3B	K. Elberfeld 	143 573 157 18 10  1  50  96 35 89 .274 .324 .346 
LF	R. Killefer 	146 530 131 23 11  1  51  65 30 51 .247 .315 .338 
RF	D. Drake 	145 566 127  8  6  1  54  59 18 59 .224 .252 .265 
CA	O. Stanage 	124 455 101 22  2  7  64  39 18 64 .222 .251 .325

Pitchers:

Code:

Name 		G  GS W  L SV ERA   IP   HA  R   ER  BB  K 
R. Works 	42 42 19 17 0 3.11 364.2 357 153 126 73 160 
G. Mullin 	43 43 17 21 0 3.19 375.1 413 187 133 78 182 
G. Suggs 	30 30 16 14 0 3.23 259.1 244 105  93 44 86 
E. Cicotte 	32 27 13 14 3 3.59 240.2 249 108  96 52 84 
J. Rowan 	17 12  8  3 4 2.27 111.0 100  39  28 29 45

Washington Senators

Lineup:

Code:

	Name 		G   AB   H  2B 3B HR RBI  R  BB K   AVG  OBP  SLG 
2B	R. Robinson 	147 561 195 23 15  8  80  86 63 84 .348 .413 .485 
RF	J. Lelivelt 	147 597 199 25  5  3  98  73 28 45 .333 .362 .407 
1B	J. Farrell 	146 601 172 32 11  2  36 105 39 65 .286 .330 .386 
SS	D. Altizer 	122 451 127 14  7  1  52  42 27 53 .282 .328 .350 
CF	C. Milan 	154 650 174 12 17  5  42 100 50 37 .268 .324 .362 
3B	B. Coughlin 	142 516 129 16  9  2  58  44 23 52 .250 .294 .328 
LF	P. Knoll 	106 348  86 17  8  7  62  36 34 35 .247 .314 .402 
CA	L. Drill 	129 430  94 16  4  0  38  35 50 67 .219 .311 .274

Pitchers:

Code:

Name 		G  GS W  L SV ERA   IP   HA  R   ER  BB  K 
W. Johnson 	42 42 27 13 0 2.80 367.0 354 132 114 47 197 
B. Groom 	43 43 24 17 0 2.77 376.2 360 148 116 86 156 
B. Burns 	38 38 12 23 0 3.61 328.2 412 185 132 36 114 
D. Walker 	20 20  9  8 0 3.89 173.1 189  84  75 35 42 
D. Gray 	19 10  3  8 1 4.88  90.1 120  52  49 26 36

Cleveland Bronchos

Lineup:

Code:

	Name 		G   AB   H  2B 3B HR RBI  R  BB K   AVG  OBP  SLG 
1B	G. Stovall 	144 577 189 35  8  7  84  80 11 53 .328 .338 .452 
LF	C. Rossman 	149 607 194 47  7  6  68  84 16 56 .320 .334 .450 
RF	B. Hinchman 	143 567 179 42  8  3  55  81 37 51 .316 .368 .434 
SS	E. Grant 	132 533 150 15  5  3  37  76 26 63 .281 .315 .345 
CA	T. Easterly 	142 555 155 23  7  6  75  71 30 48 .279 .315 .378 
CF	J. Birmingham 	144 553 149 19  9  0  61  59 15 72 .269 .287 .336 
2B	T. Turner 	143 501 132 23  7  2  51  40 22 66 .263 .289 .349 
3B	J. Barbeau 	143 551 139 19  9  9  82  69 46 52 .252 .307 .368

Pitchers:

Code:

Name 		G  GS W  L SV ERA   IP   HA  R   ER  BB  K 
V. Gregg 	44 44 27 15 0 3.45 383.2 417 165 147 113 181 
F. Blanding 	29 29 12 12 0 4.22 245.1 314 141 115  71 99 
G. Krapp 	35 35 12 19 0 4.05 298.0 311 160 134 122 173 
O. Hess 	34 31 10 16 2 4.51 271.1 327 164 136  70 118 
W. Mitchell 	25 12  5 11 0 5.72 111.2 166  79  71  25 41

Chicago White Sox

Lineup:

Code:

	Name 		G   AB   H  2B 3B HR RBI  R  BB K   AVG  OBP  SLG 
3B	P. Clark 	148 566 176 29 19  2  62  73 27 61 .311 .350 .440 
RF	S. Collins 	148 538 157 20 10  1  52  46 34 41 .292 .334 .372 
CF	P. Bodie 	144 570 158 29  9  2  53  62 28 63 .277 .312 .370 
SS	D. Brain 	145 552 152 38  5  6  81  57 31 68 .275 .312 .395 
LF	M. Welday 	119 420  98 10  1  6  39  26 36 53 .233 .294 .305 
2B	R. Zeider 	146 568 128 15  4  1  30  80 34 62 .225 .268 .271 
CA	H. Hart 	109 363  67  3  3  2  18  25 17 40 .185 .219 .226 
1B	C. Gandil 	139 476  80 10  8  5  41  30 25 55 .168 .217 .254

Pitchers:

Code:

Name 		G  GS W  L SV ERA   IP   HA  R   ER  BB  K 
E. Walsh 	45 45 22 20 0 2.82 385.2 373 147 121 67 204 
J. Scott 	42 42 15 24 0 2.95 357.0 354 141 117 80 193 
F. Smith 	38 38 14 20 0 3.18 331.1 321 144 117 77 144 
F. Lange 	21 21  8  9 0 2.87 185.0 165  74  59 62 84

St. Louis Browns

Lineup:

Code:

	Name 		G   AB   H  2B 3B HR RBI  R  BB K   AVG  OBP  SLG 
RF	I. Waldron 	143 550 174 23  6  1  68  54 31 68 .316 .355 .385 
CF	D. Jones 	138 536 155 13 12  2  45  74 64 52 .289 .367 .369 
1B	A. Griggs 	146 558 159 32  8  0  52  56 50 49 .285 .345 .371 
SS	G. McBride 	144 506 138 19  6  1  52  47 45 80 .273 .329 .340 
2B	H. Niles 	143 544 135 18  7  3  65  53 20 56 .248 .279 .324 
LF	R. Hartzell 	117 379  93 10  2  2  36  27 20 37 .245 .295 .298 
CA	B. Maloney 	112 388  88  8 11  3  40  45 30 52 .227 .295 .327 
3B	W. Conroy 	147 583 130 14 10  1  41  65 37 72 .223 .279 .286

Pitchers:

Code:

Name 		G  GS W  L SV ERA   IP   HA  R   ER  BB  K 
B. Pelty 	44 44 15 21 0 3.54 376.1 392 185 148 85 144 
R. Mitchell 	43 43 14 25 0 3.80 360.0 440 197 152 70 79 
B. Grahame 	28 28 11 15 0 3.49 240.0 245 119  93 70 75 
R. Nelson 	34 34 11 20 0 5.29 286.0 312 199 168 84 120

Batting AVG
.384 Ty Cobb, DET
.374 Joe Jackson, PHA
.364 Eddie Collins, PHA
.362 Amby McConnell, BOS
.348 Stuffy McInnis, PHA
.348 Rabbit Robinson, WSH

HOMERUNS
9 Jap Barbeau, CLE
8 Rabbit Robinson, WSH

RBI
115 Joe Jackson, PHA
110 Harry Lord, BOS
105 Ty Cobb, DET
98 Jack Lelivelt, WSH
97 Charlie Carr, DET

OPS
.965 Ty Cobb, DET
.947 Joe Jackson, PHA
.898 Rabbit Robinson, WSH
.867 Eddie Collins, PHA
.861 Tris Speaker, BOS

STEALS
90 Eddie Collins, PHA
65 Ty Cobb, DET
65 Clyde Milan, WSH
54 Rollie Zeider, CHW
43 Harry Lord, BOS

ERA
2.16 Joe Wood, BOS
2.18 Russ Ford, NYY
2.62 Ralph Glaze, BOS
2.75 Chief Bender, PHA
2.77 Bob Groom, WSH
2.80 Walter Johnson, WSH

WINS
27 Walter Johnson, WSH
27 Vean Gregg, CLE
26 Joe Wood, BOS
24 Bob Groom, WSH
24 Chief Bender, PHA
24 Russ Ford, NYY
23 Hippo Vaughn, NYY

STRIKEOUTS
204 Ed Walsh, CHW
197 Walter Johnson, WSH
194 Russ Ford, NYY
193 Jim Scott, CHW
182 Joe Wood, BOS
182 George Mullin, DET
181 Vean Gregg, CLE

POY: Joe Wood, BOS, 21, 26-15, 2.16 ERA, 73 BB, 182 K, .234 OAVG, 1.08 WHIP
BOY: CF Ty Cobb, DET, 24, .384, 105 RBI, 65 SB, .965 OPS
ROY: LF Joe Jackson, PHA, 22, .374, 115 RBI, 22 SB, .947 OPS

Gold Gloves:
Pitcher: Chief Bender, PHA, 1
Catcher: Hub Hart, CHW, 3
First Base: George Stovall, CLE, 4
Second Base: Terry Turner, CLE, 4
Third Base: Frank Baker, PHA, 1
Shortstop: George McBride, SLB, 1
Leftfield: Red Killefer, DET, 1
Centerfield: Tris Speaker, BOS, 2
Rightfield: Jack Lelivelt, WSH, 2

Matt from TN · 01-11-2006, 10:41 PM

1911 World Series

BOX SCORES

Catobase Updated! Player pages not yet updated

Game 1 of the 1911 World Series turned out to be one of the finest of all time. Philadelphia SS John Knight hit a 2-run double off Rube Marquard in the top of the 7th to tie the score at 2-2. Marquard and Harry Krause did not allow another run and the game went to extra innings. Marquard pitched a 1-2-3 10th inning but was lifted for a pinch hitter in the bottom of the inning. Krause's replacement on the mound, Jimmy Dygert, allowed a single to Fred Snodgrass with two runners on base and one out in the bottom of the 11th. As the potential winning run came around third in the form of Fred Merkle, rookie LF Joe Jackson threw a bullet home and nailed Merkle at the plate. Art Fletcher then grounded out to end the inning. However, fate would not smile on Dygert in the 12th. He allowed two singles to lead off the inning. After recording the first out, Josh Devore singled to left-center and 2-time Top Batter Bris Lord misplayed the ball, allowing Larry Doyle to score and win the game.

In Game 2, Philadelphia led 2-1 after 8 innings. But in the bottom of the 9th, Snodgrass hit a solo homerun off reliever Eddie PLank, who entered the game in relief of Chief Bender just one batter earlier. That run tied the game. Then Plank allowed a single to Merkle, and a triple by SS Buck Herzog plated the winning run for the Giants.

Game 3 was yet another close contest. A sac fly by New York 3B Art Devlin tied the score at 2-2 in the 7th. Then in the 8th, the Giants scored two more runs off starter Weldon Henley. Philadelphia got one of those runs back on a sac fly by Frank Baker. Now down 4-3 in the bottom of the 9th, A's pinch hitter Harry Armbruster drew a one-out walk off Red Ames. After a ground out moved pinch runner Rube Oldring to second, Ames unleashed a wild pitch that allowed the runner to move up to 3rd. Ames buckled down and got Ed Lennox to fly out to right field, ending the game and giving New York a seemingly insurmountable 3-0 series lead.

Trying to stay alive, the A's found themselves in another dog fight in Game 4. Down 2-1 in the bottom of the 9th, CF Bris Lord got a one-out single off Marquard. Danny Hoffman came in to pinch run, and he scored when Fred Snodgrass dropped a ball off the bat of Joe Jackson. After Marquard struck out Stuffy McInnis, Frank Baker singled Jackson home to give the A's a 3-2 lead. And that was the final score.

The Giants took a 4-1 lead after 5 innings in Game 5, but the Athletics roared back with a 4-run 6th, highlighted by a bases loaded triple from SS John Knight, delighting fans at Shibe Park. But in the very next frame, Moose McCormick, who set a major league record with 125 RBI this season, hit a 2-run single off Chief Bender to put the Giants back on top 6-5. Things then fell apart for Bender in the 8th as he allowed 3 more runs, and the Giants went on to win the game and the series.

Winner, 4-1: New York Giants, 2nd Championship, 5th Pennant

Philadelphia Athletics, 4th pennant

Matt from TN · 01-11-2006, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tward13

Are you going to leave Live Oak's career average as the standard? Kind of rough having a 4 year career in the 1880's be the record forever.

According to bb-ref.com, the career leaderboard requirements are 3000 PA's for batters and just 1000 IP or 100 decisions for pitchers. I have it set to 2000/150 for pitchers. Live Oak has 3469 PA, so he will always be there unless I move it to 3500 or 4000.

tward13 · 01-11-2006, 11:04 PM

How many years did he play? I thought it showed him only playing a few years. If he played 9 or 10, well then that's the record, unless you start showing pre and post 1900 records.

BTW, I like the new seasonal stat format. Easy to look for names.

Damn those A's are going to be NASTY for a long time.

Matt from TN · 01-11-2006, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tward13

How many years did he play? I thought it showed him only playing a few years. If he played 9 or 10, well then that's the record, unless you start showing pre and post 1900 records.

IRL he played very little. Here he played full time for 6 or 7 seasons, winning 4 or 5 batting titles. He "slipped thru" in the pre-1900s when my policy for letting "nobodies" become stars was more lax. I try watching a little more closely now. But, LO has just under 3500 PA which would qualify him IRL. If I raised the minimum up to 5000 PA, the top 3 (including Pete Browning & the great Ross Barnes) would be gone, leaving King Kelly's .3400 avg as the new standard.

dfsteele · 01-12-2006, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

Please let me know what you think of the new format. Is it too impersonal? Do the 1st initials instead of 1st names make it too hard to recognize players?

I like the new format, there are more stats and I didn't have a problem with the names. I did like seeing who was on the bench for the teams, but that's a minor thing.

Renner · 01-12-2006, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

Please let me know what you think of the new format. Is it too impersonal? Do the 1st initials instead of 1st names make it too hard to recognize players?

Matt - I like the new format and as long as Catobase is available, the bench guys can be seen that way...I have spent many hours of "work time" browsing through that Catobase !!

Matt from TN · 01-12-2006, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dfsteele

I did like seeing who was on the bench for the teams, but that's a minor thing.

I think I have a way to do the bench fairly easily. There's always the catobase link but sometimes that's not updated the same day as these lineups are posted, so I'll give the benches a shot for 1912.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Renner

Matt - I like the new format and as long as Catobase is available, the bench guys can be seen that way...I have spent many hours of "work time" browsing through that Catobase !!

Thanks to both of you for the comments and support. I enjoy hearing feedback.

Matt from TN · 01-18-2006, 05:33 PM

Key Incoming Rookies for 1912:

NATIONAL LEAGUE

Brooklyn

P Frank Allen
--- Age 22, 7/4/7 talent

C Otto Miller, "Moonie"
--- Age 22, 6/6/4/2/4 talent

2B George Cutshaw, "Clancy"
--- Age 24, 6/7/7/3/9 talent

3B Red Smith
--- Age 22, 7/10/7/6/6 talent

SS Bob Fisher
--- Age 25, 6/7/7/3/7 talent

Chicago

P Larry Cheney
--- Age 25, 9/5/5 talent

P Jimmy Lavender
--- Age 28, 10(94)/6/3 talent

Cincinnati

P Rube Benton
--- Age 24, 8/7/7 talent

P Marty O'Toole
--- Age 23, 10(121)/2/3 talent

P Bert Humphries
--- Age 31, 8/9/3 talent

1B Doc Johnston
--- Age 24, 6/7/6/4/8 talent

New York

P Jeff Tesreau
--- Age 23, 10(92)/5/3 talent
--- From BaseballLibrary.com:

Quote:

Tesreau was a sturdy 6'2" 218-lb hurler who topped the NL in starts in 1913-14. He threw a spitball with the speed of a top fastball. As a rookie in 1912, he led the league with a 1.96 ERA and went 17-7 for the Giants and no-hit the Phillies on September 6. He was John McGraw's choice, over Christy Mathewson and Rube Marquard, to pitch the World Series opener against Boston's 34-game winner, Smoky Joe Wood.

Philadelphia

P Eppa Rixey, "Jephtha"
--- Age 20, 10(97)/8/7 talent

P Tom Seaton
--- Age 24, 9/4/3 talent

Pittsburgh

P Hank Robinson
--- Age 22, 7/8/4 talent

LF Ward Miller, "Windy"
--- Age 27, 6/6/6/9/4 talent

RF Danny Moeller
--- Age 27, 6/7/6/7/5 talent

St. Louis

C Ivey Wingo
--- Age 21, 5/7/6/4/6 talent

CF Lee Magee
--- Age 22, 6/7/6/5/9 talent

AMERICAN LEAGUE

Boston

P Hugh Bedient
--- Age 22, 9/7/3 talent

Chicago

SS Buck Weaver
--- Age 21, 7/8/6/2/8 talent

Cleveland

P Earl Yingling
--- Age 23, 5/10/3 talent

CF Buddy Ryan
--- Age 26, 6/5/5/4/7 talent

Detroit

3B Ossie Vitt
--- Age 22, 5/6/5/8/9 talent

New York

3B Eddie Foster, "Kid"
--- Age 25, 6/6/5/5/8 talent

Philadelphia

P Boardwalk Brown
--- Age 25, 6/5/3 talent

P Byron Houck, "Duke"
--- Age 20, 9/5/3 talent

2B Morrie Rath
--- Age 25, 5/3/4/9/7 talent

CF Amos Strunk
--- Age 23, 8/9/6/7/7 talent

RF Eddie Murphy, "Honest Eddie"
--- Age 20, 7/5/6/9/7 talent

RF Herbie Moran
--- Age 28, 6/6/5/8/4 talent

St. Louis

P George Baumgardner
--- Age 20, 7/5/7 talent

2B Del Pratt
--- Age 24, 7/9/6/4/7 talent

RF Gus Williams, "Gloomy Gus"
--- Age 23, 6/7/7/6/4 talent

Washington

C Eddie Ainsmith, "Dorf"
--- Age 20, 6/7/8/7/5 talent

2B Ray Morgan
--- Age 22, 6/7/4/8/7 talent

metsgeek · 01-18-2006, 07:44 PM

Wow, Larry Cheney is a dead ringer for Willem Dafoe

01-08-2006, 05:06 PM	#144
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	OK. I did want to change career requirements eventually but not too soon. I didn't want all old records to disappear in 1901. Now that we've had the 154-game schedule for about a decade, it's a good time. __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

01-11-2006, 07:52 PM	#150
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	Please let me know what you think of the new format. Is it too impersonal? Do the 1st initials instead of 1st names make it too hard to recognize players? __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

01-11-2006, 10:41 PM	#152
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	1911 World Series BOX SCORES Catobase Updated! Player pages not yet updated Game 1 of the 1911 World Series turned out to be one of the finest of all time. Philadelphia SS John Knight hit a 2-run double off Rube Marquard in the top of the 7th to tie the score at 2-2. Marquard and Harry Krause did not allow another run and the game went to extra innings. Marquard pitched a 1-2-3 10th inning but was lifted for a pinch hitter in the bottom of the inning. Krause's replacement on the mound, Jimmy Dygert, allowed a single to Fred Snodgrass with two runners on base and one out in the bottom of the 11th. As the potential winning run came around third in the form of Fred Merkle, rookie LF Joe Jackson threw a bullet home and nailed Merkle at the plate. Art Fletcher then grounded out to end the inning. However, fate would not smile on Dygert in the 12th. He allowed two singles to lead off the inning. After recording the first out, Josh Devore singled to left-center and 2-time Top Batter Bris Lord misplayed the ball, allowing Larry Doyle to score and win the game. In Game 2, Philadelphia led 2-1 after 8 innings. But in the bottom of the 9th, Snodgrass hit a solo homerun off reliever Eddie PLank, who entered the game in relief of Chief Bender just one batter earlier. That run tied the game. Then Plank allowed a single to Merkle, and a triple by SS Buck Herzog plated the winning run for the Giants. Game 3 was yet another close contest. A sac fly by New York 3B Art Devlin tied the score at 2-2 in the 7th. Then in the 8th, the Giants scored two more runs off starter Weldon Henley. Philadelphia got one of those runs back on a sac fly by Frank Baker. Now down 4-3 in the bottom of the 9th, A's pinch hitter Harry Armbruster drew a one-out walk off Red Ames. After a ground out moved pinch runner Rube Oldring to second, Ames unleashed a wild pitch that allowed the runner to move up to 3rd. Ames buckled down and got Ed Lennox to fly out to right field, ending the game and giving New York a seemingly insurmountable 3-0 series lead. Trying to stay alive, the A's found themselves in another dog fight in Game 4. Down 2-1 in the bottom of the 9th, CF Bris Lord got a one-out single off Marquard. Danny Hoffman came in to pinch run, and he scored when Fred Snodgrass dropped a ball off the bat of Joe Jackson. After Marquard struck out Stuffy McInnis, Frank Baker singled Jackson home to give the A's a 3-2 lead. And that was the final score. The Giants took a 4-1 lead after 5 innings in Game 5, but the Athletics roared back with a 4-run 6th, highlighted by a bases loaded triple from SS John Knight, delighting fans at Shibe Park. But in the very next frame, Moose McCormick, who set a major league record with 125 RBI this season, hit a 2-run single off Chief Bender to put the Giants back on top 6-5. Things then fell apart for Bender in the 8th as he allowed 3 more runs, and the Giants went on to win the game and the series. Winner, 4-1: New York Giants, 2nd Championship, 5th Pennant Philadelphia Athletics, 4th pennant __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

01-18-2006, 07:44 PM	#160
metsgeek Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norwood, MA Posts: 5,450	Wow, Larry Cheney is a dead ringer for Willem Dafoe __________________ Commissioner - PBRL - Just finished 2009 109 seasons and still running strong!!!

01-06-2006, 10:55 PM	#141
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	Are you going to leave Live Oak's career average as the standard? Kind of rough having a 4 year career in the 1880's be the record forever.

01-11-2006, 02:18 AM	#146
Sir Lurksalot All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,044	Both Philadelphia teams got some help. Alexander's stats are ungodly!

01-11-2006, 08:29 AM	#147
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	Wow, I didn't remember that the A's get Jackson too. Plus McInnis, another piece of the $100,000 infield. Should he be Grover Cleveland Alexander, "Pete"?

01-11-2006, 11:04 PM	#154
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,964	How many years did he play? I thought it showed him only playing a few years. If he played 9 or 10, well then that's the record, unless you start showing pre and post 1900 records. BTW, I like the new seasonal stat format. Easy to look for names. Damn those A's are going to be NASTY for a long time.