would you say this guy is cheating? - Page 7

JasonP · 07-12-2003, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by dougk62
The guy that made this post registered the mane he posted under this month. Probably today. Never posted on these forums before today. All to this thread.

I did register on these boards the day I made my post. You have to be a registered member in order to post. I do not own, nor do I play this game, so there was no need for me to register before this.

Originally posted by dougk62
Why would a web hosting site owner, aout of the blue and all of a sudden grace our precious site with his presence and stumble across this thread by chance and find out it's someone hosted by his site.

I did not stumble across this thread by chance. I was glancing through the forums on the league's site and saw what was going on there. In one of the threads, one of the guys posted a link to this thread. I took the time to read the thread and find out what was going on.

Originally posted by dougk62
Imagine his horror at such a remote coinciedence. And now the site and evidence is gone. This benifits one person a very great dael. And guess what, very shortly after his web host provider showed up on our boards, he did to.

The site is gone, because I don't want my site's domain to be associated with liars and cheaters, so that benefits me. If you have a site then let the guy host his league there, then you'll understand where I'm coming from on this. I myself am a league Commissioner. I run the Xtreme Madden League (http://xml.pc-sports.net). I am not a liar and I am not a cheater and I wish not to be associated with such. If you think myself and Fitterer are one in the same, well then obviously it is you that has the problem. I'm sure one of the Board Admins could simply look at IP's and tell you we are not one in the same.

Originally posted by dougk62
What a loser.

Think what you will, but my objective here was to simply point out that I do not wish to have my website's domain associated with liars and cheaters. If that makes me a loser in your mind, then so be it. I'm sure rational thinking adults can see why I posted here and why I did what I did (removing the league site).

kq76 · 07-12-2003, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by potatoman
People in this forum put down guys who are younger and many deserve more respect....theres nothign that says that a 15 year old can't be a good GM...

True, younger people can make for as good GMs as older people, but it's a fact of life that younger people are generally less mature and do stupid selfish things like cheating and ruining it for everyone. It is unfortunate that all kids have to be lumped together as possible troublemakers, but again and again troublemakers are almost always kids and those who are not, act like kids. There's a number of younger people on these boards that have built up a lot of respect with other members of this board (twins15 first comes to mind, but there are others) and I don't think anyone seriously regards them as potential troublemakers anymore, just because they have built up that respect. However, until we get to know others better, for the sake of ensuring that our leagues have as few possible troublemakers as possible, I think it is important to at least keep an eye on the younger ones. And if that means you all get grouped together, all I can say is, it sucks, we understand, but we went through it and it seems necessary.

CDL Commish · 07-12-2003, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by dougk62
What a loser.

Think what you will, but my objective here was to simply point out that I do not wish to have my website's domain associated with liars and cheaters. If that makes me a loser in your mind, then so be it. I'm sure rational thinking adults can see why I posted here and why I did what I did (removing the league site). [/B]

Actually I saw the thread on the league's forum that directed all owners to this one. I'm sure Doug was just checking out the forum when he stumbled upon this fiasco. I'm sure Doug is who he says he is and has no relation whatsoever with Fitterer.

JasonP · 07-12-2003, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by CDL Commish
Actually I saw the thread on the league's forum that directed all owners to this one. I'm sure Doug was just checking out the forum when he stumbled upon this fiasco. I'm sure Doug is who he says he is and has no relation whatsoever with Fitterer.

Actually my name is Jason...Doug is the one I was having to defend my name and my web domain against

EvanW · 07-12-2003, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by CDL Commish
Actually I saw the thread on the league's forum that directed all owners to this one. I'm sure Doug was just checking out the forum when he stumbled upon this fiasco. I'm sure Doug is who he says he is and has no relation whatsoever with Fitterer.

I'll have to agree with Matt. Given Jason's vocabulary, spelling ability, and command of simple punctuation and capitalization rules, there is no way I would confuse him with mfitterer.

It's like night and day.

--
Evan

dougk62 · 07-12-2003, 02:25 PM

I'm sorry Jason, I didn't mean anything personal about it. It just looked really fishy to me at first when I started reading the thread. By no means did I intend to insuate you were a loser. It looke to me at first glance that the loser with the mlb2 league had just created a new name on the boards to make his league disappearance be confienent.

I was wrong and I appologize.

MTXperience · 07-12-2003, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by JasonP
I did not stumble across this thread by chance. I was glancing through the forums on the league's site and saw what was going on there. In one of the threads, one of the guys posted a link to this thread. I took the time to read the thread and find out what was going on.

Heh... you can thank me for that one.

JasonP · 07-12-2003, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by dougk62
I'm sorry Jason, I didn't mean anything personal about it. It just looked really fishy to me at first when I started reading the thread. By no means did I intend to insuate you were a loser. It looke to me at first glance that the loser with the mlb2 league had just created a new name on the boards to make his league disappearance be confienent.

I was wrong and I appologize.

Apology accepted Doug. I can understand where you were coming from. A lot of things with this league were fishy, and I wouldn't put it past a cheating Commish to register a new user ID in hopes of once again fooling an honest gaming community.

My whole reason for coming and posting in these threads is because I felt it necessary to stand up for my domain. It's still in development to be a community of fair PC sports gamers of all PC sports game enthusiasts and it doesn't need to get a bad reputation before its even finished construction.

I gave Fitterer some free space to host that league because one of the guys in my football league was also part of the league. Several guys in my league play this OOTP game, but I am not very familiar with it. After reading through these threads of all of you guys that are more knowledgeable than myself with how cheating is detected in this game, I looked through what Fitterer had left of the evidence and it became crystal clear that this league was a cheat, thus the complete and absolute removal of the league's site from my domain.

JasonP · 07-12-2003, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by MTXperience
Heh... you can thank me for that one.

I appreciate it MTX...like I stated just seconds ago above, my knowledge of this game is next to none, so I wouldn't have understood fully what was going on had it not been for the posting of the link here...then I also read the post someone else linked to here about this same guy stealing ID's. From what I can gather, this ID is the same as stealing this game, so not only was the Commish of this league a cheat, he was a thief to boot...even more reason for me to wipe that league off my domain.

kq76 · 07-12-2003, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by JasonP
I gave Fitterer some free space to host that league because one of the guys in my football league was also part of the league.

I bet that guy in your football league feels like an ass right about now.

A lot of people get burned like this though at one time or another, no real shame.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 07-12-2003, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by potatoman
hey---im pretty sure hes not 15 years old but i am and i don't pull off this crap and im a respectable and good GM.....

If my post gave you the impression that I think all 15-year-olds are idiots, I apologize. It's not what I intended at all. dbacks is (I think) 13 or 14 and frequents these forums and is one of our best members. Certainly someone can be young and an excellent GM.

However, this kind of cheating, coupled with the poor writing skills, usually means that it's being done by someone young. That's what I meant by my post, plus he's actually probably just a relatively stupid 18- or 19-year-old, so calling him a 15-year-old is sure to piss him off. So, you see, I was mainly just calling him out for being an immature jackass.

I can see now that what I did was wrong. Calling him a 15-year-old is clearly an insult to 15-year-olds everywhere. Sorry.

CommishJoe · 07-12-2003, 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by John C
Here's something that is interesting:

There's a discussion on simming ahead and how that affects the ratings. If I remember correctly, if you sim ahead, then restore the file, the ratings will stay where they were at the final point of your sim. So, if you sim to June, then restore back to April, you'll have the ratings you had in June.

I'm wondering if anyone has an older file and can plug this into BOSI, and see the hidden developments...

-John

If anyone does, let me know. I'll create the league on my development server and release the results.

CubsSox · 07-12-2003, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by dougk62
I'm surprised no one caught this, or maybe they did and the thread is just so funny and going so fast it got blown right by.

The guy that made this post registered the mane he posted under this month. Probably today. Never posted on these forums before today. All to this thread. Why would a web hosting site owner, aout of the blue and all of a sudden grace our precious site with his presence and stumble across this thread by chance and find out it's someone hosted by his site.

Imagine his horror at such a remote coinciedence. And now the site and evidence is gone. This benifits one person a very great dael. And guess what, very shortly after his web host provider showed up on our boards, he did to.

What a loser.

I don't thinks the same guy. Look at the way both of them type and the difference in the use of the English language.

CommishJoe · 07-12-2003, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by JasonP
I appreciate it MTX...like I stated just seconds ago above, my knowledge of this game is next to none, so I wouldn't have understood fully what was going on had it not been for the posting of the link here...then I also read the post someone else linked to here about this same guy stealing ID's. From what I can gather, this ID is the same as stealing this game, so not only was the Commish of this league a cheat, he was a thief to boot...even more reason for me to wipe that league off my domain.

This was why he was booted from his previous host(Hey, I just remembered, he was supposed to sue me for reporting him to that host. hmm, haven't gotten the legal paperwork yet)

Bravo for booting him.

mfitterer1 · 07-12-2003, 08:46 PM

If you all really want some short sweet explanations of what happened, I messed up bad as commish, but I did by NO means cheat at all.

The world series being simmed three times-
was done because I didnt want to win it, I wanted the Cards to win because I felt guilty about winning the inaugural ws for my league. So i tried restoring 2 times and resimming the world series but it took too long and I couldnt get him to win.

The trades with Houston to my team were valid:
They just werent with Merlin, I had a deal that i got Oswalt, Hernandez , and Wagner in, for a score of my great spects that I had

The Leagues history was erased:
Anyone that has switched the game from computer to computer knows that you cant import the messages and all the written stuff that is the history when u transfer the game. I switched the game from my upstairs comp to the downstairs and the history wasnt there. That was midseason 2003

The FA thing was a recent problem:
As I have read on these forums many times about manager mode in the game, I tried it; the only thing is that I forgot to start a new league with manager mode, I accidentaly started it in the MLB2 league, thats where the simmign was simmed through July before I noticed anything was wrong.

At that time in MLB2 we were in FA, we had already completed part of the FA, I thought it would be easier to just sign the players and then alter their contracts after the season had started when I had more time, I hadnt gotten around to this before this all happened. You can ask the owners in the league about this because they had been bugging me about getting it done.

I never once used the league editor once EXCEPT for use on a spect from the marlins, young Jason Stokes.

For those of you that believe that my team was too good look at what Florida had assembled in a little under a year, their 2 gm's had only 1 loss less than me, so what are all you bitching about.

By the was i am 17 and I just dont feel it is neccesary to take the time to look over my mistakes in these posts because they are not very meaningfull to me.

Anymore questions from the peanut gallery out here?

kq76 · 07-12-2003, 08:49 PM

I've seen this story before. This is the part where he begins to confess he did it.

sporr · 07-12-2003, 08:49 PM

I don't buy it

mfitterer1 · 07-12-2003, 08:52 PM

see thats why I dont want to even try, because there are so many things that went wrong because it was my first league that nobody would believe them, I would swear on anything anywhere that I didnt at any time cheat in my league. I am that serious about this, I am a great gm in mine and others opinions and I spent lots of time on the league, thats why I had the team I had.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 07-12-2003, 09:04 PM

mfitterer1 · 07-12-2003, 09:06 PM

and where does this illknowledgable fool get this car wash **** from, thats what has me most clueless.

07-12-2003, 12:57 PM	#121
JasonP Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 10	Originally posted by dougk62 The guy that made this post registered the mane he posted under this month. Probably today. Never posted on these forums before today. All to this thread. I did register on these boards the day I made my post. You have to be a registered member in order to post. I do not own, nor do I play this game, so there was no need for me to register before this. Originally posted by dougk62 Why would a web hosting site owner, aout of the blue and all of a sudden grace our precious site with his presence and stumble across this thread by chance and find out it's someone hosted by his site. I did not stumble across this thread by chance. I was glancing through the forums on the league's site and saw what was going on there. In one of the threads, one of the guys posted a link to this thread. I took the time to read the thread and find out what was going on. Originally posted by dougk62 Imagine his horror at such a remote coinciedence. And now the site and evidence is gone. This benifits one person a very great dael. And guess what, very shortly after his web host provider showed up on our boards, he did to. The site is gone, because I don't want my site's domain to be associated with liars and cheaters, so that benefits me. If you have a site then let the guy host his league there, then you'll understand where I'm coming from on this. I myself am a league Commissioner. I run the Xtreme Madden League (http://xml.pc-sports.net). I am not a liar and I am not a cheater and I wish not to be associated with such. If you think myself and Fitterer are one in the same, well then obviously it is you that has the problem. I'm sure one of the Board Admins could simply look at IP's and tell you we are not one in the same. Originally posted by dougk62 What a loser. Think what you will, but my objective here was to simply point out that I do not wish to have my website's domain associated with liars and cheaters. If that makes me a loser in your mind, then so be it. I'm sure rational thinking adults can see why I posted here and why I did what I did (removing the league site). Last edited by JasonP; 07-12-2003 at 01:00 PM.

07-12-2003, 02:25 PM	#126
dougk62 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tonganoxie, KS Posts: 304	I'm sorry Jason, I didn't mean anything personal about it. It just looked really fishy to me at first when I started reading the thread. By no means did I intend to insuate you were a loser. It looke to me at first glance that the loser with the mlb2 league had just created a new name on the boards to make his league disappearance be confienent. I was wrong and I appologize. __________________ NABA - Calgary Wolfpack JOBL - Jacksonville Express Creator of Offensive Value Rating Reports

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07-12-2003, 09:04 PM	#139
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07-12-2003, 08:46 PM	#135
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	If you all really want some short sweet explanations of what happened, I messed up bad as commish, but I did by NO means cheat at all. The world series being simmed three times- was done because I didnt want to win it, I wanted the Cards to win because I felt guilty about winning the inaugural ws for my league. So i tried restoring 2 times and resimming the world series but it took too long and I couldnt get him to win. The trades with Houston to my team were valid: They just werent with Merlin, I had a deal that i got Oswalt, Hernandez , and Wagner in, for a score of my great spects that I had The Leagues history was erased: Anyone that has switched the game from computer to computer knows that you cant import the messages and all the written stuff that is the history when u transfer the game. I switched the game from my upstairs comp to the downstairs and the history wasnt there. That was midseason 2003 The FA thing was a recent problem: As I have read on these forums many times about manager mode in the game, I tried it; the only thing is that I forgot to start a new league with manager mode, I accidentaly started it in the MLB2 league, thats where the simmign was simmed through July before I noticed anything was wrong. At that time in MLB2 we were in FA, we had already completed part of the FA, I thought it would be easier to just sign the players and then alter their contracts after the season had started when I had more time, I hadnt gotten around to this before this all happened. You can ask the owners in the league about this because they had been bugging me about getting it done. I never once used the league editor once EXCEPT for use on a spect from the marlins, young Jason Stokes. For those of you that believe that my team was too good look at what Florida had assembled in a little under a year, their 2 gm's had only 1 loss less than me, so what are all you bitching about. By the was i am 17 and I just dont feel it is neccesary to take the time to look over my mistakes in these posts because they are not very meaningfull to me. Anymore questions from the peanut gallery out here?

07-12-2003, 08:49 PM	#137
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	I don't buy it

07-12-2003, 08:52 PM	#138
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	see thats why I dont want to even try, because there are so many things that went wrong because it was my first league that nobody would believe them, I would swear on anything anywhere that I didnt at any time cheat in my league. I am that serious about this, I am a great gm in mine and others opinions and I spent lots of time on the league, thats why I had the team I had.

07-12-2003, 09:06 PM	#140
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	and where does this illknowledgable fool get this car wash **** from, thats what has me most clueless.