2024 NFL Off Season thread - Part II

[Cobra Mgr]

Judge tosses verdict vs NFL

This is one of the reasons why I call it the "Court" system & not the "Justice" system.

Judge says the jury wouldn't have arrived @ the verdict if 2 witnesses didn't present "flawed" testimony.

Question: Whose responsibility was it to permit witnesses & instruct the jury what they could factor & exclude in their decision?

Answer: THE FRIKKIN" JUDGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Judge tosses verdict vs NFL

This is one of the reasons why I call it the "Court" system & not the "Justice" system.

Judge says the jury wouldn't have arrived @ the verdict if 2 witnesses didn't present "flawed" testimony.

Question: Whose responsibility was it to permit witnesses & instruct the jury what they could factor & exclude in their decision?

Answer: THE FRIKKIN" JUDGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do we know that he didn't do that? But regardless, this verdict, even if upheld, wouldn't have changed the way Sunday ticker was offered. At worst, it would have removed Sunday ticket altogether. Not made it cheaper.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Do we know that he didn't do that? But regardless, this verdict, even if upheld, wouldn't have changed the way Sunday ticker was offered. At worst, it would have removed Sunday ticket altogether. Not made it cheaper.

From the report I read, the jury did what he told them to do. They weren't to award damages based on a guess or speculation. So they made their own calculations based on the prices & number of subscribers.

Where is the guess or speculation?

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

From the report I read, the jury did what he told them to do. They weren't to award damages based on a guess or speculation. So they made their own calculations based on the prices & number of subscribers.

Where is the guess or speculation?

I agree with you 100%. But apparently they had to justify every penny. I don't know how they do that. How do you get a jury of ordinary people to do this? It's not going to happen. So this issue is dead in the crib.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I agree with you 100%. But apparently they had to justify every penny. I don't know how they do that. How do you get a jury of ordinary people to do this? It's not going to happen. So this issue is dead in the crib.

If that is the case, then why have anti-trust trials & class action lawsuits?

I don't fully know the in's & out about the law or the issue in this case. So I'm not saying the NFL is guilty. But I don't get the reasoning to go thru the whole process then negate that whole process because one person didn't like the result.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I don't fully know the in's & out about the law or the issue in this case. So I'm not saying the NFL is guilty. But I don't get the reasoning to go thru the whole process then negate that whole process because one person didn't like the result.

What I don't understand is what you brought up in a previous post. If I'm convicted of stealing from my job, and forced to pay it back, how is the whole thing overturned if they get the monetary value wrong? Forget overturned, why would I have a right to a new trial?

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

If that is the case, then why have anti-trust trials & class action lawsuits?

It's only the case in this situation. Maybe other class action lawsuits are much easier to calculate and justify. Either way the fans lose.

[Cobra Mgr]

"Your tolerance of bad behavior is measured by your willingness to discipline bad behavior." Every HC says they don't want fighting. But Jerod Mayo is the 1st HC I thought was serious about that.

https://x.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1823375222675829172

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

From the report I read, the jury did what he told them to do. They weren't to award damages based on a guess or speculation. So they made their own calculations based on the prices & number of subscribers.

Where is the guess or speculation?

You have it exactly backwards..from the article you quoted:

Gutierrez said the jury did not follow his instructions and "instead relied on inputs not tied to the record to create its own 'overcharge.'"

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

You have it exactly backwards..from the article you quoted:

I don't have it backwards. Just because they hadn't been entered into the record does not mean they used "guesswork". They looked up the price of the service,(not a guess), the number of customers (not a guess) then subtracted the price the service would normally have been if not for the violation (again, not a guess).

[Cobra Mgr]

Vikings rookie QB JJ McCarthy out for the season.

[Cobra Mgr]

Pats send Judon to ATL for 3rd rd pick.

[Ragnar]

The new kickoff rules encourage returns. I think they made one minor error. If any team has an outstanding kick returner, teams will just kick it through the endzone. It gets brought out to the 30. It should be the 35 yard line. Or, kickoff from the 30. One or both should solve that problem.

[Cobra Mgr]

Local Games: $74.99/month
ESPN+: $10.99/month
Peacock: $5.99/month
Prime: $8.99/month
Netflix: $6.99/month
Sunday Ticket with RedZone: $739.99

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Local Games: $74.99/month
ESPN+: $10.99/month
Peacock: $5.99/month
Prime: $8.99/month
Netflix: $6.99/month
Sunday Ticket with RedZone: $739.99

After cancelling Netflix, the only thing I have left on that list is Prime. I have no interest in any of those channels. I'm not paying to watch the NFL as the only reason. I used to go to illegal streams. Now I don't even do that.

Gotta love the Sunday ticket price. But that makes sense for them.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

The new kickoff rules encourage returns. I think they made one minor error. If any team has an outstanding kick returner, teams will just kick it through the endzone. It gets brought out to the 30. It should be the 35 yard line. Or, kickoff from the 30. One or both should solve that problem.

Do they? I'm seeing one of two approaches now:

1. Just kick it into the end zone and the "new kickoff rule" is now that everyone starts with the ball on their own 30 instead of their own 20 or 25.

2. Try to one-hop it in front of a returner who's trying to field the ball in the endzone. This is a trickier move and I can understand not wanting to use it on better kick returners or even average ones for risk-averse teams but since a player has to bring the ball out now if it lands on the field first, that usually gives the defense better field position.

I don't know... I did get to see a really fun kick return last night watching the Hawks but guess what? It wasn't a KO return because KO returns even when they end in a long gain or a TD are one-cut-and-go due to the nature of kickoff defense (with the entire team coming up on you in one wave). The return I saw, which involved Dee Eskridge zig-zagging and at one point running horizontally across the field, was on a punt. You will just not get punt-return quality runbacks from kickoffs.

Which is why I go back to my original idea (not mine but I like it): after a score, the team that just scored gets the ball back at their own 40 (or so) needing to make back 16 yards in one play. You want to do the equivalent of an onside kick? You go for it. Otherwise you punt the ball away, effectively replacing boring kick returns with potentially exciting punt returns.

[BaseballMan]

I just wanted a package to watch all my team's games.
Anything else would be great but not necessary.
I'm not retired so i don't have the time to watch every single game.
The NFL just makes it tough for fans of teams outside their area.
If the Raiders are playing locally but its not on a over the air channel,
i cant see it.
Because sunday ticket blocks it out. So i end up getting youtube tv.

A coworker was telling me to try iptv.
I know some may trust it but i don't.
Theres a reason its cheaper and im not sure its legal or not.
Plus i'm not sure if the signal is as good.
You get what you pay for.
However spending a lot of money on your entertainment equipment just to chance it on the cheapest service seems a bit silly.

Since i have Amazon Prime for shipping i just gave up and bought
sunday ticket and youtube tv together.
I may or may not have to get peacock for one game.

I'm not against spending money on my team.
I just wish there was something that could be done to make it more freindly for fans to watch their teams.
This isn't the the 1950s.
Teams have fans all across the country.

[Cobra Mgr]

Again, I don't know the law. But it seems to me the majority of corporations don't feel obligated to perform anything if there isn't a signed contract. So I don't get how they can be upset when roles are reversed. Fanatics v Marvin Harrison Jr/Sr

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Do they? I'm seeing one of two approaches now:

1. Just kick it into the end zone and the "new kickoff rule" is now that everyone starts with the ball on their own 30 instead of their own 20 or 25.

2. Try to one-hop it in front of a returner who's trying to field the ball in the endzone. This is a trickier move and I can understand not wanting to use it on better kick returners or even average ones for risk-averse teams but since a player has to bring the ball out now if it lands on the field first, that usually gives the defense better field position.

I don't know... I did get to see a really fun kick return last night watching the Hawks but guess what? It wasn't a KO return because KO returns even when they end in a long gain or a TD are one-cut-and-go due to the nature of kickoff defense (with the entire team coming up on you in one wave). The return I saw, which involved Dee Eskridge zig-zagging and at one point running horizontally across the field, was on a punt. You will just not get punt-return quality runbacks from kickoffs.

Which is why I go back to my original idea (not mine but I like it): after a score, the team that just scored gets the ball back at their own 40 (or so) needing to make back 16 yards in one play. You want to do the equivalent of an onside kick? You go for it. Otherwise you punt the ball away, effectively replacing boring kick returns with potentially exciting punt returns.

#1. This is why I said the rule should be the 35 yard line instead of the 30. Or just kickoff from the 30.

#2 A kick returner does not have to take the ball out of the endzone if it bounces in. But if he downs it, it comes out to the 20. Which is why they usually run it out.

Your idea sounds pretty good to me. Once they started on the gimmicks, who am I to say what is better? But what if they block the punt? Up until this point, you couldn't block a kickoff.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

I just wanted a package to watch all my team's games.
Anything else would be great but not necessary.
I'm not retired so i don't have the time to watch every single game.
The NFL just makes it tough for fans of teams outside their area.
If the Raiders are playing locally but its not on a over the air channel,
i cant see it.
Because sunday ticket blocks it out. So i end up getting youtube tv.

A coworker was telling me to try iptv.
I know some may trust it but i don't.
Theres a reason its cheaper and im not sure its legal or not.
Plus i'm not sure if the signal is as good.
You get what you pay for.
However spending a lot of money on your entertainment equipment just to chance it on the cheapest service seems a bit silly.

Since i have Amazon Prime for shipping i just gave up and bought
sunday ticket and youtube tv together.
I may or may not have to get peacock for one game.

I'm not against spending money on my team.
I just wish there was something that could be done to make it more freindly for fans to watch their teams.
This isn't the the 1950s.
Teams have fans all across the country.

What could be more friendly than Sunday ticket? If I wasn't a Cowboys fan, I'd probably have to get it. I'm in NJ and I get all but maybe 2 games a year. If the game is any good, I'll go to a bar.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

What could be more friendly than Sunday ticket? If I wasn't a Cowboys fan, I'd probably have to get it. I'm in NJ and I get all but maybe 2 games a year. If the game is any good, I'll go to a bar.

Yeah cowboys are usually playing somewhere.
I left the bar life a long time ago.
I'd rather hear what's going on, not have to try to
get a favorite spot or deal with obnoxious sports fans along with the drunks.
When you no longer drink, bars just don't have much appeal.