Any Word About OOTP14 Features?

[tomwolf2008]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Drop by http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...m-war-war.html where QuestDog and I are trashing ERA, that awful, subjective, team-based garbage stat. QuestDog: "I actually think ERA is one of the stupidest stats ever invented."

As much as I agree that ERA is almost a completely useless stats, if it's in the game (no, I don't think it should be eliminated in the game) it should be scored correctly then

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by D-BacksJosh

What are the consequences of a graphics improvement in PBP?

If I understood your question I would try to answer it.

I don't want to play OOTP: The Graphics Version. If graphics can turned off or avoided, though, no problem. I'm no longer arguing against them: Markus has spoken and that's the end of it and I and others who don't like it will just have to find a way to deal with it.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by tomwolf2008

As much as I agree that ERA is almost a completely useless stats, if it's in the game (no, I don't think it should be eliminated in the game) it should be scored correctly then

Maybe. But if it boils down to spending a significant amount of programmer time on ultimately refining a useless and subjective stat, then that programming time is being wasted.

Anyone who wants a non-subjective version of that stat should use R/9 instead.

[D-BacksJosh]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Charlie, you are seriously underestimating how opposed some people are to the idea of graphics in OOTP and its consequences.

Okay. What is the word 'consequences' referring to? What do these 'consequences' entail?

[ondemonitors]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

What exactly does that mean? Maybe it's easy to add...

I'm sorry Markus..glad you responded to that one! Like others have mentioned in the past, I would like to see either an age limit or a service time limit at the various minor league levels. No 38 y/o has beens playing in the minor leagues..save maybe AAA. It doesn't crop up that much for me, maybe more for others..but I have seen guys in the 30 y/o range playing Rookie League and Short A ball.

Love the game..buy it every year..just want too see Low Minors used for young players on the way up..not old has beens on the way down.

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

On the other hand, one of the roles the user can take on in the game is that of general manager, which necessarily means making roster moves. Which player to sign, which player to release, which player to option down, which player to recall, which player to trade, which player to draft. All of these decisions involve off-the-field aspects; namely, the transaction rules. That is, what you are allowed to do as GM and when you are allowed to do it.

Some would see that as the key part of the game.

Rarely have I been to or watched Red Sox games when I looked into the owners box and did not see Theo Epstein or Ben Cherington watching the product of their efforts play itself out on one of the most beautiful baseball fields in the country.

As a GM playing OOTP, I would like nothing more than the same opportunity.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by D-BacksJosh

Okay. What is the word 'consequences' referring to? What do these 'consequences' entail?

Some people really will quit the game over it. They've said so. I won't unless there's no way at all to shut the graphics off, but some people will quit regardless. But don't worry, you'll have the shinies that you want and who cares about those hard-core text simmers anyway, right? Nobody.

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Some people really will quit the game over it. They've said so. I won't unless there's no way at all to shut the graphics off, but some people will quit regardless. But don't worry, you'll have the shinies that you want and who cares about those hard-core text simmers anyway, right? Nobody.

Can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.

[raginhood]

Some people really will quit the game over it. They've said so.

And by the SAME token some people willl QUIT the game if they don't add animations and graphics. So what point are you trying to make that that stat'rs are more important than the graphateers? I think not. Look at the poll, but oh wait you don't think polls have any validity to them anyways kinda like those people who don't think man has walked on the moon or been into outer space. lol

[D-BacksJosh]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Some people really will quit the game over it. They've said so. I won't unless there's no way at all to shut the graphics off, but some people will quit regardless. But don't worry, you'll have the shinies that you want and who cares about those hard-core text simmers anyway, right? Nobody.

I see, I just wasn't sure if you were talking about the effects of graphics on the game or people leaving. I consider myself to be a hard-core simmer, otherwise I wouldn't be here. If graphics are going to interfere with the realism of this game sim and stat tracking area (which is unmatched by anything on the market in my opinion), trust me I am completely against it.

[silvam14]

Let's put two myths to relative bed shall we.

1. OOTP isn't going to become an arcade game with the addition of a better graphical representation of the game.

2. Markus isn't going to become a crack graphics developer and all of a sudden leave the stats engine to rot. He is going to hire people to do the graphics, remember?

[raginhood]

Originally Posted by silvam14

Let's put two myths to relative bed shall we.

1. OOTP isn't going to become an arcade game with the addition of a better graphical representation of the game.

2. Markus isn't going to become a crack graphics developer and all of a sudden leave the stats engine to rot. He is going to hire people to do the graphics, remember?

Yup I have to agree with this. He's not going to just abandon the stats game for the graphics game unless of course he reaches the peak of what a stat based game really needs. It already has MORE in stats and information than I really need to play the game.

[AESP_pres]

Originally Posted by raginhood

And by the SAME token some people willl QUIT the game if they don't add animations and graphics.

Except that this wasn't part of the deal when you have purchased that game the first time...

Originally Posted by raginhood

So what point are you trying to make that that stat'rs are more important than the graphateers?.

Sure the stats are more important... it's the point of that game.

[Honorable_Pawn]

Marcus,

I am not sure what stadium will be the standard picture but that really doesn't matter to me. If you could put a little billboard (try to make it look real) that says Honorable_Pawn Rules!!!

Please try to get in all 3 exclamation points. Also, I want the billboard to be green with yellowish beige letters. I prefer a font similiar to Georgia. Please make sure that you put it in left-centerfield. Make sure that it is big enough that anyone with eye trouble can still read it.

Other than that, it really doesn't matter what you do. That is my only request. Please make my dream come true.

[Caporegime]

Originally Posted by raginhood

And by the SAME token some people willl QUIT the game if they don't add animations and graphics. So what point are you trying to make that that stat'rs are more important than the graphateers? I think not. Look at the poll, but oh wait you don't think polls have any validity to them anyways kinda like those people who don't think man has walked on the moon or been into outer space. lol

Hmmmm....Why would anyone quit playing a game that is & always has been (for 15 years) a text-based sim because of the lack of animations? Anyone who comes to this website expecting to be oohed & aahed by high-end 7th generation graphics has obviously made a wrong turn. Now if Markus eliminated the text, I could see your point.

I could understand people abandoning the franchise if the game once contained graphics and they were subsequently removed as a cost cutting measure. In fact, I'd probably be joining them. However, OOTP has never been a graphics-based, arcade style baseball game. It's part of its charm. OOTP offers an entirely different gaming experience than graphics-driven behemoths like MLB The Show. That's not to say that graphics & animations wouldn't be a cool addition to the game, but right now it's a non-feature.

The good news for those who would like to see graphics eventually incorporated into the game is that Markus has clearly demonstrated in the past a willingness to listen to his customers by adding (when possible) highly requested features. In addition, Markus has already stated that when he does add graphics, they won't be added as an unsightly, half-assed afterthought. That's reason for optimism, right?

[Questdog]

Originally Posted by honorable_pawn

marcus,

i am not sure what stadium will be the standard picture but that really doesn't matter to me. If you could put a little billboard (try to make it look real) that says honorable_pawn rules!!!

Please try to get in all 3 exclamation points. Also, i want the billboard to be green with yellowish beige letters. I prefer a font similiar to georgia. Please make sure that you put it in left-centerfield. Make sure that it is big enough that anyone with eye trouble can still read it.

Other than that, it really doesn't matter what you do. That is my only request. Please make my dream come true.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by raginhood

And by the SAME token some people willl QUIT the game if they don't add animations and graphics. So what point are you trying to make that that stat'rs are more important than the graphateers? I think not. Look at the poll, but oh wait you don't think polls have any validity to them anyways kinda like those people who don't think man has walked on the moon or been into outer space. lol

That "poll" is garbage. Once Markus made his decision it was a foregone conclusion. BEFORE he made that decision it went the other way.

[Rizon]

Couple things I'll throw out there:

H2H

The Link

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by raginhood

So what point are you trying to make that that stat'rs are more important than the graphateers?

Yes. And if you knew anything about the background involved you'd know why.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by raginhood

Yup I have to agree with this. He's not going to just abandon the stats game for the graphics game unless of course he reaches the peak of what a stat based game really needs. It already has MORE in stats and information than I really need to play the game.

It has only about a quarter to a third of the stats that I want to see in the game.

Drop by Fangraphs, Baseball Prospectus, The Hardball Times or Beyond The Box Score some time. Or read BP's books.