Looking for lost Commish - Page 6

jblaze03fuel · 03-27-2004, 08:51 PM

I would like to see that picture

If you're talkin BTPBL League forums, the only way that's possible is if family came over and got on the net as they're set as homepage anytime you click the E. In which I doubt happened, but they may..

rem · 03-27-2004, 08:53 PM

But I you've been AWOL from the league since last Sunday. What was up Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday?

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Originally posted by Hammer755
As strange as it sounds, I would like to commend jblaze for coming back under a different User ID and behaving himself as a normal person would. For some strange reason, I find it a shame that this was discovered, as the jblaze handle certainly carries a stigma that the UDFlyer one did not. The accusations of impropriety in the online league certainly is troublesome and should be investigated, but I wanted to throw that out there.

I agree.

UnkleBuc · 03-27-2004, 08:53 PM

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jblaze03fuel · 03-27-2004, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by remangiii
But I you've been AWOL from the league since last Sunday. What was up Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday?

I have been away since Wednesday. It's now Saturday....I was away WED-THUR-FRI

rem · 03-27-2004, 09:04 PM

It's my understanding that a sim was run Sunday but the league wasn't informed of it's completion. More importantly, scheduled Sims on Monday and Tuesday where missed.

UnkleBuc · 03-27-2004, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by jblaze03fuel
I have been away since Wednesday. It's now Saturday....I was away WED-THUR-FRI

You were asked what was up Monday and Tuesday? If you're not going to answer emails or at the league forums I'll call you out here.

Kezzek · 03-27-2004, 09:11 PM

Cool soap opera!

I'm Dr. Drake Remoray.

CommishJoe · 03-27-2004, 10:30 PM

This site is hosted by me. I just saw this and am starting an investigation now. I have just finished downloading a full backup of the site just in case.

Up to this point, all of my dealings with Pat have been very mature and professional. This isn't a 13 year old kid, I can almost guarantee that.

I'll get as much information as I can. If any owners of the league want to contact me about this, they can feel free to do so.

Hammer755 · 03-27-2004, 10:54 PM

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Originally posted by kq76
I'm not sure I understand. It looks like he may have cheated once again, so why commend him on coming back under a different nick? Because he was less obvious about himself this time? I'm not much of a second chance giver in the first place though.

My post was simply in regards to OOTP Forum participation. When there is a big blowup by a member on this forum, the procedure recommended by most of the community is to get a new nick and start from scratch. Rarely has a person been able to maintain their new identity without reverting to the exact same form that led to their exit in the first place. UD was able to do so without resorting to the actions that led to his reputation as jblaze, and that is what I offered a positive word toward.

Like I said, the cheating charges should be looked at and I will reserve complete judgement until that time.

sunnydoo · 03-27-2004, 11:00 PM

I just took a look see as well at the league. One of the most ironic things about this mess is that the last person who was accused of being fit dog is in this league as well. hmmm, there is a lot of smoke for you.

I hope this just turns out to be inexperience and not cheating. the Commish is definitely not scoring points on the honesty scale and seems to be evasive at this point. The funniest post i have seen on a message board in a while, is his lament after FA #3 that for some reason there doesnt seem to be any FTP offers. Ya think? How could that have happened?

Rule #1-Never talk about Fight club. Rule #2-In an OOTP league, always investigate the Commish before joining, just as he should you. If a commish is inexperienced, make sure someone is there to watch and guide him, preferably a commish from another stand up league.

After seeing Blaze back and make his confession and seeing the Passion this weekend, I too have a confession to make. I am the Dread Pirate Roberts. Not the original mind you, i took over the franchise from some guy named Montoya. But alas it is true.

InigoMontoya · 03-27-2004, 11:07 PM

prepare to die!

sunnydoo · 03-27-2004, 11:13 PM

THAT is too funny.

kq76 · 03-27-2004, 11:20 PM

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Originally posted by Hammer755
My post was simply in regards to OOTP Forum participation. When there is a big blowup by a member on this forum, the procedure recommended by most of the community is to get a new nick and start from scratch. Rarely has a person been able to maintain their new identity without reverting to the exact same form that led to their exit in the first place. UD was able to do so without resorting to the actions that led to his reputation as jblaze, and that is what I offered a positive word toward.

Like I said, the cheating charges should be looked at and I will reserve complete judgement until that time.

Yeah, I just can't separate the two. :/ If it turns out he has not cheated, then good on him. But I imagine that a number of GMs would not have risked joining the league had they known his past history though.

CommishJoe · 03-27-2004, 11:21 PM

I like to give everyone a 2nd chance .. a chance to learn from their mistakes. Fitterer burned that bridge already. So far, I don't see that bridge being burned here.

clarnzz · 03-27-2004, 11:21 PM

I don't see anyone accusing jblaze/udflyer of being FitDog, I just see a lot of people saying he is being accused of being FitDog, although establishing a link between JBlaze and FitDog is probably as significant as linking Al Queda and Iraq.

CommishJoe · 03-27-2004, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by clarnzz
I don't see anyone accusing jblaze/udflyer of being FitDog, I just see a lot of people saying he is being accused of being FitDog, although establishing a link between JBlaze and FitDog is probably as significant as linking Al Queda and Iraq.

Never said there was. Was just saying that I did give Fitterer a 2nd chance and he burnt that one up too. At this point, I don't consider JBlaze/UD's 2nd chance burnt.

And, in my opinion, to use your example, a link between Fit Dog and JBlaze is about as likely as linking Osama with Bush.

clarnzz · 03-27-2004, 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by CommishJoe
Never said there was. Was just saying that I did give Fitterer a 2nd chance and he burnt that one up too. At this point, I don't consider JBlaze/UD's 2nd chance burnt..

I hear ya, is just usually where there is smoke there is fire, and some of the owners have already listed a few of the warning signs. If it was someone with an established reputation, I would be more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if there were small discrepancies. Is just when someone has a known history, shows back up under a new name and it all starts again a couple months later, it is pretty hard to discount it.

CommishJoe · 03-27-2004, 11:49 PM

I can understand that. I can also tell you that I am just as floored over this as the next person.

I've dealt with Pat personally, even over the phone when he was first transfering to All in 1. Every single time I dealt with him, it was done in a very professional manner. This is why, at this point, I gotta give him the benefit of the doubt.

Just in case things turn south, I do have a full backup of the site on my hard drive(as well as the normal daily, weekly and monthly backup files we keep of the servers). However, I would like to think that it would never come to needing it. The person that I have been dealing with over the last month or so is too mature for that.

We'll have to see how this plays out.

clarnzz · 03-28-2004, 12:14 AM

There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

Kidd2RJ · 03-28-2004, 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by clarnzz
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

Actually I think you got it a bit jumbled. I believe what you were trying to say was...

Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you. Fool me three times, you can't get fooled again.

I am a member of BTPL8, and while I had my reserves on Pat I thought it was unexperience more so than anything else. But I seem to be question the whole thing at this point...

03-27-2004, 08:53 PM	#103
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03-27-2004, 09:04 PM	#105
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	It's my understanding that a sim was run Sunday but the league wasn't informed of it's completion. More importantly, scheduled Sims on Monday and Tuesday where missed. __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

03-27-2004, 09:11 PM	#107
Kezzek All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Keyboard - frantically typing in subtle insults to raise my self-esteem Posts: 973	Cool soap opera! I'm Dr. Drake Remoray. __________________ - Kez, P.E.

03-27-2004, 10:30 PM	#108
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	This site is hosted by me. I just saw this and am starting an investigation now. I have just finished downloading a full backup of the site just in case. Up to this point, all of my dealings with Pat have been very mature and professional. This isn't a 13 year old kid, I can almost guarantee that. I'll get as much information as I can. If any owners of the league want to contact me about this, they can feel free to do so. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

03-27-2004, 11:00 PM	#110
sunnydoo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tennessee/Colorado Posts: 103	I just took a look see as well at the league. One of the most ironic things about this mess is that the last person who was accused of being fit dog is in this league as well. hmmm, there is a lot of smoke for you. I hope this just turns out to be inexperience and not cheating. the Commish is definitely not scoring points on the honesty scale and seems to be evasive at this point. The funniest post i have seen on a message board in a while, is his lament after FA #3 that for some reason there doesnt seem to be any FTP offers. Ya think? How could that have happened? Rule #1-Never talk about Fight club. Rule #2-In an OOTP league, always investigate the Commish before joining, just as he should you. If a commish is inexperienced, make sure someone is there to watch and guide him, preferably a commish from another stand up league. After seeing Blaze back and make his confession and seeing the Passion this weekend, I too have a confession to make. I am the Dread Pirate Roberts. Not the original mind you, i took over the franchise from some guy named Montoya. But alas it is true. __________________ "Genius attracts genius, just as stupidity attracts stupidity. Wisdom is knowing the difference." "I am so confused!"-Vinny Barbarino Minneapolis Millers, NML 1935 Great North Division/Western Conference Champs Santo Domingo Admirals, PABF 2016 PABF CHAMPS!!! 2017 SE Division Keg Creek Coyote Uglies,POTD 2009 Appy WC Last edited by sunnydoo; 03-27-2004 at 11:03 PM.

03-27-2004, 08:51 PM	#101
jblaze03fuel All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 920	I would like to see that picture If you're talkin BTPBL League forums, the only way that's possible is if family came over and got on the net as they're set as homepage anytime you click the E. In which I doubt happened, but they may..

03-27-2004, 11:07 PM	#111
InigoMontoya Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 5	prepare to die!

03-27-2004, 11:13 PM	#112
sunnydoo Minors (Double A) Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tennessee/Colorado Posts: 103	THAT is too funny. __________________ "Genius attracts genius, just as stupidity attracts stupidity. Wisdom is knowing the difference." "I am so confused!"-Vinny Barbarino Minneapolis Millers, NML 1935 Great North Division/Western Conference Champs Santo Domingo Admirals, PABF 2016 PABF CHAMPS!!! 2017 SE Division Keg Creek Coyote Uglies,POTD 2009 Appy WC

03-27-2004, 11:21 PM	#114
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	I like to give everyone a 2nd chance .. a chance to learn from their mistakes. Fitterer burned that bridge already. So far, I don't see that bridge being burned here. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

03-27-2004, 11:21 PM	#115
clarnzz All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Following everyone off a cliff. Posts: 1,522	I don't see anyone accusing jblaze/udflyer of being FitDog, I just see a lot of people saying he is being accused of being FitDog, although establishing a link between JBlaze and FitDog is probably as significant as linking Al Queda and Iraq.

03-27-2004, 11:49 PM	#118
CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	I can understand that. I can also tell you that I am just as floored over this as the next person. I've dealt with Pat personally, even over the phone when he was first transfering to All in 1. Every single time I dealt with him, it was done in a very professional manner. This is why, at this point, I gotta give him the benefit of the doubt. Just in case things turn south, I do have a full backup of the site on my hard drive(as well as the normal daily, weekly and monthly backup files we keep of the servers). However, I would like to think that it would never come to needing it. The person that I have been dealing with over the last month or so is too mature for that. We'll have to see how this plays out. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

03-28-2004, 12:14 AM	#119
clarnzz All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Following everyone off a cliff. Posts: 1,522	There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.