Very disappointing decision 2.0

[BaseballGOAT]

Originally Posted by mytreds

Their hands are tied because they tied them themselves when they sold their creation away 100%. I wish I could empathize, but they made the bed, now they have to lie in it. It’s the customers who suffer.

I tend to agree with this. It was very short sighted or downright false to act like nothing was going to change as a result of the sale to Com2uS

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by mytreds

Their hands are tied because they tied them themselves when they sold their creation away 100%. I wish I could empathize, but they made the bed, now they have to lie in it. It’s the customers who suffer.

100 percent correct...Iam not sure why so many are not seeing it this way???

[silvam14]

Its a business, people in business take risks to take their product further. Some pay off, some don't. Aside from the 3D stadiums they were able to snag with this deal, I don't know what else has been added to OOTP that would be considered a net benefit (of course there's money, larger staff, more perks for the creator, but I don't particularly care about that)

Markus has always looked to better his situation and the game's. (Remember SI)

I don't fault him for his decision, I don't think he's trying to kill OOTP, as this niche genre only has so many avenues to take to get bigger.

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by BaseballGOAT

I tend to agree with this. It was very short sighted or downright false to act like nothing was going to change as a result of the sale to Com2uS

We were just naive to think the game would turn into Madden with just roster updates and polish every year while PT became the focus.
Now we’re waking up to the nightmare that selling out truly brought us.
As an owner on Steam we got blindsided with it and can never recover.
For some we’ll be lucky to figure out how to roll back versions, for the rest it’s time to start over, if they even want to. I know if I can’t roll back then I’m walking away.
It was fun while it lasted.

[RaUni]

Originally Posted by silvam14

You wrote that as if OOTP had a choice. Do you think they had a choice? Would you have rather had bankruptcy? I’m keeping my stuff on here, but I see no point in ever doing anything with any leagues from the land of the rising sun ever again


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Originally Posted by silvam14

Its a business, people in business take risks to take their product further. Some pay off, some don't. Aside from the 3D stadiums they were able to snag with this deal, I don't know what else has been added to OOTP that would be considered a net benefit (of course there's money, larger staff, more perks for the creator, but I don't particularly care about that)

Markus has always looked to better his situation and the game's. (Remember SI)

I don't fault him for his decision, I don't think he's trying to kill OOTP, as this niche genre only has so many avenues to take to get bigger.

So first he was a prisoner, had no choice. Then it was a decision made him. A bold business risk. We get it, you like him, you really like him. And its clearly not just him who made this decision and isn't the one pure villain. But we have the actions to go by. Purposeful actions of harming the save files and then the purposeful silence. This is to protect themselves and profits. This is simply corporate greed at its finest, and at the expense of customers.

[MathBandit]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

100 percent correct...Iam not sure why so many are not seeing it this way???

I like a lot of what you post (and have posted over the years), but I genuinely cannot possibly fathom thinking this has anything to do with Com2Us.

[Syd Thrift]

lmfao @ "making a huge decision to avoid a potentially ruinous lawsuit = corporate greed". I am no huge fan of capitalism but man oh man this is rich...

[RaUni]

Imagine the guy who has his footer a quote from a man involved taking a step back to look at the actions without bias.

[RaUni]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

lmfao @ "making a huge decision to avoid a potentially ruinous lawsuit = corporate greed". I am no huge fan of capitalism but man oh man this is rich...

You have no idea if a lawsuit is potential....or ongoing....or if it would've been ruinous. All we have are the current actions.

[OutS|der]

Originally Posted by MathBandit

I like a lot of what you post (and have posted over the years), but I genuinely cannot possibly fathom thinking this has anything to do with Com2Us.

How do you figure?

Let’s lay out the facts. Before the game was sold we had Nippon league.
Now that’s it sold we don’t. Seems clear cut to me but what do I know.

[MathBandit]

Originally Posted by OutS|der

How do you figure?

Let’s lay out the facts. Before the game was sold we had Nippon league.
Now that’s it sold we don’t. Seems clear cut to me but what do I know.

Before the game was sold we had a specific unlicensed league. After the game was sold we also had the same specific unlicensed league. Then two and a half years later we no longer have that specific unlicensed league.

It's about as clear-cut as saying my dad got cancer because he retired, since when he was working he didn't have cancer then a couple years after he retired was diagnosed with cancer.

[silvam14]

Originally Posted by RaUni

So first he was a prisoner, had no choice. Then it was a decision made him. A bold business risk. We get it, you like him, you really like him. And its clearly not just him who made this decision and isn't the one pure villain. But we have the actions to go by. Purposeful actions of harming the save files and then the purposeful silence. This is to protect themselves and profits. This is simply corporate greed at its finest, and at the expense of customers.

Lol, my post was about his decision to sell to Com2Us that was his. He had no choice but to capitulate to whatever legal challenges which forced this issue we are talking about now. Those two things are possible at the same time

[RaUni]

Originally Posted by silvam14

Lol, my post was about his decision to sell to Com2Us that was his. He had no choice but to capitulate to whatever legal challenges which forced this issue we are talking about now. Those two things are possible at the same time

Please explain how you know he had no choice? Because honestly its just as likely that they were told they had to pay a certain amount to use it, and they just didnt want to give up that money and chose to do what they did instead of pony up and split their profit. They could also be actually in a lawsuit for doing something illegal, thus staying silent as to see if them can pump out sales of 24 before it all comes crashing down. But I don't go around acting like that is the case.

They damaged a product after they sold it, they have stayed silent. That is it.

[zappa1]

So I guess being sued into bankruprcy is how it should have went. That is a very stupid, dumb and selfish decision. Poor, poor you.

[RaUni]

Originally Posted by zappa1

So I guess being sued into bankruprcy is how it should have went. That is a very stupid, dumb and selfish decision. Poor, poor you.

Its equally as likely that instead of paying whatever was asked, even if reasonable, they chose to keep their money and just worry about protecting themselves. There is no evidence of any bankruptcy stuff, their game change could've been solely as a precautionary thing asked by their business daddy. All of these things can be speculated, but stop acting like they had no choice. Markus clearly said their business daddy ASKED them to do this. That is all. This "poor innocent" business being sued by big old bad guy thing really isnt a thing.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by RaUni

Its equally as likely that instead of paying whatever was asked, even if reasonable, they chose to keep their money and just worry about protecting themselves. There is no evidence of any bankruptcy stuff, their game change could've been solely as a precautionary thing asked by their business daddy. All of these things can be speculated, but stop acting like they had no choice. Markus clearly said their business daddy ASKED them to do this. That is all. This "poor innocent" business being sued by big old bad guy thing really isnt a thing.

lmfao please tell me how that worked out for FM. Did they manage to purchase the rights to use anything related to Japanese soccer? I forget

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by RaUni

Imagine the guy who has his footer a quote from a man involved taking a step back to look at the actions without bias.

Imagine the guy who’s done nothing but complain and speculate in such a way as to put OOTPD in the absolute worst light possible even beginning to complain about “bias”, when responding to a post that wasn’t even claiming to be unbiased. Big Bobby Knight fan, I guess?

[RaUni]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Imagine the guy who’s done nothing but complain and speculate in such a way as to put OOTPD in the absolute worst light possible even beginning to complain about “bias”, when responding to a post that wasn’t even claiming to be unbiased. Big Bobby Knight fan, I guess?

They damaged our product after they sold it to us. They have not said anything since.

That is what has happened. So yeah. Worst light possible is what they did. I loved this game, just like everyone else. I know you're really worried about Markus. He's probably ok, you'll hear from him again. People stay silent when they're guilty....people stay silent when they're innocent...Until then,

They damaged our product after they sold it to us. They have not said anything since.

[BretterThanYou]

Originally Posted by RaUni

They damaged our product after they sold it to us. They have not said anything since.

That is what has happened. So yeah. Worst light possible is what they did. I loved this game, just like everyone else. I know you're really worried about Markus. He's probably ok, you'll hear from him again. People stay silent when they're guilty....people stay silent when they're innocent...Until then,

They damaged our product after they sold it to us. They have not said anything since.

What about the fact that they likely cannot say anything are you not willing to understand? When they CAN say something. They WILL say something. Until then, of course they're going to be silent, and you're just going to have to deal with it. Bashing in that 'They've said nothing since' helps no one and adds nothing to the conversation other than mindless complaining.

[RaUni]

Originally Posted by BretterThanYou

What about the fact that they likely cannot say anything are you not willing to understand? When they CAN say something. They WILL say something. Until then, of course they're going to be silent, and you're just going to have to deal with it. Bashing in that 'They've said nothing since' helps no one and adds nothing to the conversation other than mindless complaining.

There are a million ways you can say "we can't talk about something because of litigation/pending litigation" , it happens all the time, they haven't because that only makes them look bad. No where anywhere does it say they can't talk about anything. They were ASKED to do this to their customers game files. And they COMPLIED. Per Markus. They have not said anything since, and there is nothing to show that they cannot talk about why/how they damaged the product. To those that say, "they cant say anything becuase of a potential lawsuit", then that means the answer to how/why they did this would probably help the other side. Lol. You can clearly tell your customer base why you did something if you did nothing wrong in the first place.