OOTP Patch #4, Version 10.4.29 released!

[spliffs]

I am a commissioner of an online league, and I run OOTP X off of my mac desktop.

At least half the league has updated the game with the new patch before I found out there were issues with the Mac patch. I was going to run a sim tonight.

But if they've updated and I haven't, I assume I can not continue running sims with the league until this Mac issue is fixed, correct? It says "Wrong Version" when importing their exports

[hank9481]

Same dilemma here. What's the word?

In the future, it would make a lot more sense to ensure all patches are released together. All this does is put some behind the 8 ball while others are forced to wait.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by spliffs

I am a commissioner of an online league, and I run OOTP X off of my mac desktop.

At least half the league has updated the game with the new patch before I found out there were issues with the Mac patch. I was going to run a sim tonight.

But if they've updated and I haven't, I assume I can not continue running sims with the league until this Mac issue is fixed, correct? It says "Wrong Version" when importing their exports

I am a little bit miffed about this happening. Unfortunately the answer is that everyone in the league MUST be on the same version of ootp10. This patch will not let you import exports from the previous version of ootp10 because of changes to the file formats.

I really really hope the mac/linux version will be out early Monday, but until then yes this is a problem for leagues with mix-versions.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by spliffs

I am a commissioner of an online league, and I run OOTP X off of my mac desktop.

At least half the league has updated the game with the new patch before I found out there were issues with the Mac patch. I was going to run a sim tonight.

But if they've updated and I haven't, I assume I can not continue running sims with the league until this Mac issue is fixed, correct? It says "Wrong Version" when importing their exports

Yeah, this is stupid, agreed.

[Afino]

So where can you "downgrade" back to the last patch?

I can't sign free agents in my league because I upgraded and my league didn't.

[Millsy]

Another request for the previous patch. Did a new system install but my league isn't moving to the latest patch until the MAC version is GA. Another question would be why does OOTP always remove all previous patch versions from the site? Not every league jumps on the new patch ASAP.

[stevew]

I'm guessing I just have to suspend my league until this all gets resolved? Really user friendly here guys. You really didn't think that every league was going to jump to upgrade at the exact same time, right?

[BMW]

Originally Posted by stevew

I'm guessing I just have to suspend my league until this all gets resolved? Really user friendly here guys. You really didn't think that every league was going to jump to upgrade at the exact same time, right?

My league is pretty organized. We don't upgrade to the latest patch until it's coordinated by the league commish. Unfortunately when you release new features, sometimes you cannot easily make the program backwards compatible.

It's interesting (but not unexpected) how all these messages have suddenly replaced the vocal throngs of users that were irate that the their patch be released ASAP. If all these leagues weren't complaining now, we'd have all the all those folks complaining that the patch wasn't out.

It's pretty much a lose-lose scenario with that. The easiest way to combat the "release it now" versus the "release everything at once" is to just not communicate with the users, which grows a new "tell us what's going on" set of posters.

[StyxNCa]

Originally Posted by stevew

I'm guessing I just have to suspend my league until this all gets resolved? Really user friendly here guys. You really didn't think that every league was going to jump to upgrade at the exact same time, right?

I know I didn't.

[Alan T]

I'll post this here to just so people who are affected can see it:

Guide for online users to run two versions of OOTP at once

1) If you have already upgraded your OOTPX but your league is not going to yet, you first need to re-download the old version so you have it available:

Originally Posted by Andreas Raht

PC patch: http://www.ootpdevfiles.com/ootp/10....otp10patch.exe

Download the patch and run the ootp10patch.exe once it is fully downloaded.


2) During the patch install, it will ask where you want to install the patch. do NOT install it in the default location or where you currently have OOTPX installed. Instead pick a temporary folder to "install" the patch to. All this does is pretty much extract the patch to that temporary folder.


3) Once the patch extraction has completed, open up that temporary folder in windows explorer. You will find three folders and ootp10.exe Rename that ootp10.exe to be called something like ootp10-2-18.exe and then copy only that file (do not copy the three folders) to your normal OOTP10 Program folder. (In default windows installs, this is often: C:\Program Files\Out of the Park Developments\OOTP Baseball 10

4) Now in your Normal OOTP Baseball 10 folder, you should have two executables. You should have ootp10.exe (which is the 10.4.29 version) and you should have ootp10-2-18.exe (which is the 10.2.16 version)

5) For your online league that has not upgraded, you have to launch ootp10-2-18.exe for that file to import/export/etc. For your online league that has upgraded, run the normal ootp10.exe file instead.


Not the most pain free thing in the world, but took me all of 3 minutes to set up. Hopefully it helps those of you in a bind until the patch issues are worked out.

[Malleus Dei]

Originally Posted by CHOWDERHEAD

I may have missed it, but was there an official answer to this one?

I've never seen an official answer to that question. Just a lot of silence.

Netbooks are an untapped market for OOTP. A lot of guys who already play the game already own netbooks. So why doesn't OOTP support netbook graphics modes directly?

It makes no sense to me.

[Malleus Dei]

Originally Posted by hank9481

In the future, it would make a lot more sense to ensure all patches are released together.

No, it wouldn't at all.

[endgame]

Originally Posted by Afino

So where can you "downgrade" back to the last patch?

I can't sign free agents in my league because I upgraded and my league didn't.

Look for the thread titled Patch 10.2.16. Andreas has links in there. Here it is: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...10-2-16-a.html

[StyxNCa]

Why don't leagues upgrade? I may be wrong but it seems every patch has something in it to fix something that is causing poroblems with those leagues.

[mikev]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

Why don't leagues upgrade? I may be wrong but it seems every patch has something in it to fix something that is causing poroblems with those leagues.

Because some leagues feature members using both PC and Mac... or even Linux.

Unless /everybody/ can patch, it kind of screws over the people who are unable to get the patch due to their home PC selection.

[BMW]

Originally Posted by StyxNCa

Why don't leagues upgrade? I may be wrong but it seems every patch has something in it to fix something that is causing poroblems with those leagues.

Caution and coordination. For all the screaming about problems x, y, z, they just may not affect a particular league that much to rush into a patch.

There's no critical fixes in the patch (as in the game can no longer runs). If there were, my league wouldn't have been able to play since 10.2.16 was released.

If you ever patch any game or software, whether it be OOTP, Windows XP, Microsoft Word or Civ IV, if you're the first person to apply the patch you're also the first person that can experience the latest issues.

So the organized, patient leagues wait to see what everyone else finds out in the mad rush to apply the patch. Good strategy, eh?

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by BMW

So the organized, patient leagues wait to see what everyone else finds out in the mad rush to apply the patch. Good strategy, eh?

What if not everyone just plays online leagues and decides they want the latest patch for their own personal use as well?

I guess I can understand the frustration of certain commish's. More than likely people are going to want to upgrade which ud assume would still allow the league to function however now they have to put their league on hold until everyone is on the same page. You cant force people to not upgrade I wouldnt think otherwise you will start losing people.

[kq76]

Originally Posted by mikev

Because some leagues feature members using both PC and Mac... or even Linux.

Unless /everybody/ can patch, it kind of screws over the people who are unable to get the patch due to their home PC selection.

I fail to see how this is really the company's fault though. If these online leagues have members using different platforms then shouldn't those online leagues' decide not to patch?

If the company could release a patch for one platform and not another it'd most likely leak out and people would be throwing a fit over having to wait for a platform version they don't even use though. This would especially be the case for people who don't play in online leagues which I'm sure is a sizable percentage if not the vast majority. Oh, how great that'd be to see: solo players screaming bloody murder that us online leaguers are holding them up from playing the latest patch. I say, no thanks, let them have the patch.

Take out the part about leagues deciding to convert when they shouldn't because they have members who can't and it's really not much different than how it's always been. Some leagues patch immediately and some want others to play the guinea pigs first. Yes, there's the odd time where a new bad online league bug pops up, but if it's gone through beta it should have been online tested so usually a new patch is fine and makes the game better. Still, even if it makes the most sense to patch, some just don't want to and I doubt they'd appreciate being forced to neither.

Even though it was probably pretty obvious, I guess the least OOTP could have done was said, "guys, make sure all your members can use this patch before you convert because you really never know when the other platform version will come out". But then I'd say the leagues that converted should have communicated better with their members as well.

Yet there's still a way around the problem as Alan T detailed.

[mikev]

Originally Posted by kq76

I fail to see how this is really the company's fault though. If these online leagues have members using different platforms then shouldn't those online leagues' decide not to patch?

If the company could release a patch for one platform and not another it'd most likely leak out and people would be throwing a fit over having to wait for a platform version they don't even use though. This would especially be the case for people who don't play in online leagues which I'm sure is a sizable percentage if not the vast majority. Oh, how great that'd be to see: solo players screaming bloody murder that us online leaguers are holding them up from playing the latest patch. I say, no thanks, let them have the patch.

Take out the part about leagues deciding to convert when they shouldn't because they have members who can't and it's really not much different than how it's always been. Some leagues patch immediately and some want others to play the guinea pigs first. Yes, there's the odd time where a new bad online league bug pops up, but if it's gone through beta it should have been online tested so usually a new patch is fine and makes the game better. Still, even if it makes the most sense to patch, some just don't want to and I doubt they'd appreciate being forced to neither.

Even though it was probably pretty obvious, I guess the least OOTP could have done was said, "guys, make sure all your members can use this patch before you convert because you really never know when the other platform version will come out". But then I'd say the leagues that converted should have communicated better with their members as well.

Yet there's still a way around the problem as Alan T detailed.

Um, that was my response to why leagues don't upgrade.

Mine hasn't yet.

[BMW]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

What if not everyone just plays online leagues and decides they want the latest patch for their own personal use as well?

I guess I can understand the frustration of certain commish's. More than likely people are going to want to upgrade which ud assume would still allow the league to function however now they have to put their league on hold until everyone is on the same page. You cant force people to not upgrade I wouldnt think otherwise you will start losing people.

It's a choice. Unfortunately, sometimes when you're faced with choices, sometimes there's a downside to either solution.

If your online league is more important to you, then don't upgrade for your solo league until your online league does. If your solo league is more important, then go on hiatus for a time until they upgrade. If you have multiple leagues, you may have to juggle.

You can try the workaround that Alan T and perhaps get the best of both worlds.

If you're in eight online leagues that are all on different versions of OOTP, there's really only so much you can expect when a patch comes around.

E-mail your commish. Tell the league to pay more attention to the non-PC users when they go upgrading.

If having to miss two weeks of an OOTP online league is the worst thing that happens to you this year, you're pretty blessed. Eventually they'll upgrade. This patch would need to have a pretty big downside to stop a league from patching eventually.