Mitchell Investigation To Release Findings Tomorrow

[Russ]

This is just reminding me how much I miss baseball. And I really don't care about steroids anymore. It's in the past. Sure, people will still try to use them and HGH. But it will be far fewer. It's a step in the right direction.

2 months to Spring Training!!

[PlayTheKids]

So let's see...now suddenly Fernando Vina admits using stuff just once...Brian Roberts says he used just once, too, then realized it wasn't what he "stood for." Amazing he didn't know what he stood for before the needle entered his ass.

This is going to be the union's tactic...say you did it once, realized you were too good a person to continue using it and stopped.

The whole thing is just ridiculous.

[ctorg]

Originally Posted by PlayTheKids

So let's see...now suddenly Fernando Vina admits using stuff just once...Brian Roberts says he used just once, too, then realized it wasn't what he "stood for." Amazing he didn't know what he stood for before the needle entered his ass.

This is going to be the union's tactic...say you did it once, realized you were too good a person to continue using it and stopped.

The whole thing is just ridiculous.

Yeah, it does seem that a lot of guys are saying they just experimented with it and then walked away. Really, it may be true to a degree. Drug use works like that for a lot of people. They use pot once, don't like how it makes them feel about themselves, stop using. Or cocaine. Not so much with heroin, I guess, due to the nature of the drug.

But I do tend to doubt all these guys just used it once and swore it off.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by PlayTheKids

This is going to be the union's tactic...say you did it once, realized you were too good a person to continue using it and stopped. The whole thing is just ridiculous.

Tactics similar to that have worked before for other liars in the public eye. Remember Bill Clinton, who never inhaled?

"I didn't know what it was. I'm so naive I thought it was a vitamin shot. Yup, yup. Really."

"I only used it a couple of times, and I only did it to help the team. Then I realized it was wrong and I quit because I'm a better person than that and I never, ever did it again. Really."

I'd really like to violate the forum rules and post an obscenity-laden tirade about exactly what I think of the [very bad word deleted] who do this sort of thing, but I will refrain.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by PlayTheKids

So let's see...now suddenly Fernando Vina admits using stuff just once...Brian Roberts says he used just once, too, then realized it wasn't what he "stood for." Amazing he didn't know what he stood for before the needle entered his ass.

This is going to be the union's tactic...say you did it once, realized you were too good a person to continue using it and stopped.

The whole thing is just ridiculous.

Yeah its kinda like reading a report in which the evidence is pretty much hearsay.
Yeah your right The whole thing is just ridiculous.
If the report says it then its got to be true. None of them could possibly be
innocent.

[Erik W.]

Originally Posted by Big Hugg

Brian Roberts makes the report because Larry Bigbie said he told him he took steroids.

This report is stupid.

Looks to me like Brian Roberts made the report because he took steroids.

[Erik W.]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Yeah its kinda like reading a report in which the evidence is pretty much hearsay.
Yeah your right The whole thing is just ridiculous.
If the report says it then its got to be true. None of them could possibly be
innocent.

Some of it is hearsay, some of it includes hard evidence such as cancelled cheques.

[PlayTheKids]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Yeah its kinda like reading a report in which the evidence is pretty much hearsay.
Yeah your right The whole thing is just ridiculous.
If the report says it then its got to be true. None of them could possibly be
innocent.

Checks to the supplier aren't hearsay.

Of course, I don't recall saying none of them could be innocent. I do say though that sticking your head in the sand and saying "I see nothing" is a foolish path to take.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

If the report says it then its got to be true. None of them could possibly be innocent.

A pack of lawyers looked that report over before it was released, and what's in it wouldn't have been left in it if it couldn't stand up to a libel suit. So, while there may not be enough evidence to convict someone in a criminal jury trial ("beyond a shadow of a doubt") you can bet they've got enough evidence to hold off libel suits, which would mean that, yes, they've got something significant on all the guys they mentioned.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by PlayTheKids

Checks to the supplier aren't hearsay.

Of course, I don't recall saying none of them could be innocent. I do say though that sticking your head in the sand and saying "I see nothing" is a foolish path to take.

Never siad none of them were guilty. I just dont automatically assume they are guilty because a trainer said so. It doesnt say what the checks were for.
If they are going to ruin players reputation or maybe hurt their hall of fame chances, then they need to have better evidence.

[mikev]

Originally Posted by Erik W.

Looks to me like Brian Roberts made the report because he took steroids.

No, he still was named because Larry Bigbie said that Roberts told him he took steroids.

The fact that Roberts admitted it after the fact doesn't change the reason that he was initially named.

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by ctorg

Yeah, it does seem that a lot of guys are saying they just experimented with it and then walked away. Really, it may be true to a degree. Drug use works like that for a lot of people. They use pot once, don't like how it makes them feel about themselves, stop using. Or cocaine. Not so much with heroin, I guess, due to the nature of the drug.

But I do tend to doubt all these guys just used it once and swore it off.

I would guess it's much easier to talk about it when you indeed only experimented it a couple of times. So people who jumped out to talk about it now are more likely to be telling the truth.

The heavy users are much likely to take a wait and see approach.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

If they are going to ruin players reputation or maybe hurt their hall of fame chances, then they need to have better evidence.

You don't get it. If they didn't have enough evidence to defend what they printed against a libel suit then they woudn't have printed it. That means that they think that they do have "better evidence."

[CommishJoe]

Originally Posted by ctorg

Yeah, it does seem that a lot of guys are saying they just experimented with it and then walked away. Really, it may be true to a degree. Drug use works like that for a lot of people. They use pot once, don't like how it makes them feel about themselves, stop using. Or cocaine. Not so much with heroin, I guess, due to the nature of the drug.

But I do tend to doubt all these guys just used it once and swore it off.

I prefer something like that to the "I never knowingly took steroids (flaxseed oil anyone??)" or the "I'm innocent!!" routine.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

You don't get it. If they didn't have enough evidence to defend what they printed against a libel suit then they woudn't have printed it. That means that they think that they do have "better evidence."

Yeah but they most likely knew that players would probably not file a libel suit.
Wouldnt Clemens have to prove the trainer was lying? How would he do that unless he had steroid tests from that time? It would just be his word against the trainer. Whether he is innocent or guilty he would just be taken an unneccessary risk.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Yeah but they most likely knew that players would probably not file a libel suit.

They probably did conclude that the players were not likely to file a libel suit, but I would bet you that their reasoning was that they were convinced that all of the players they named knew they were guilty.

That's my guess.