2007 New York Yankees Thread - Page 57

Joshv02 · 06-28-2007, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by YankeePride

For those Baseball Prospectus guys, can you direct me to the link that apparently mentions the Yankees as now having the best core of pitching prospects in baseball?

Kevin Goldstein said it before the season started:

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Rank	Team  	Hitting (Rank)  	Pitching (Rank)  	Comment
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Yankees Top 10 Prospects 	45 (18th) 	74 (1st) 	Philip Hughes leads off the best collection of mound talent in the game. Unfortunately, Jose Tabata is left alone to carry the weight offensively, as the hitting talent is thin.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...articleid=5870

Of course, this was before Sanchez and Cox were lost for the year, and Hughes was promoted/injured. And, Kevin Whalen hasn't exactly been dominant.

So, in the minors, there is Joba Chamberlain and Ian Kennedy, with Delin Bettences coming up. Joba may be a top 5-10 SP prospect at the end of the year, and looks great so long as his arm stays attached and he weighs under 300 lbs. Meanwhile, Kennedy is eating up competition that is not up to his level. He thows high 80s/90 with just OK movement.

1998 Yankees · 06-28-2007, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by YankeePride

I don't know why, but I just can't stand watching Yankee/Oriole games. I just find the matchups ridiculously boring.

Especially when they don't hit. Or when they do, they don't pitch. They are just finishing up a road trip with one win against teams that they should be beating.

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Originally Posted by YankeePride

Better hope this is true because things just don't look good in New York.

You're a Knicks fan, IIRC? Well, I've just about reached the point with the Yankees that I regularly get to with the Knicks these years; that is, the point where I realize that the season is lost, no playoffs this year, and I tune in only for the love of the game and the team. Maybe it's premature, but it certainly helps with the frustration level.

There's only one difference, I hope. Unlike some other fans, I can take a losing Yankee season. All teams MUST go through this at some time or another. The difference is that I would like to see some definite, effective steps taken to improve the Yankees in the next season or two, not the year after year mismanagement and apathy that I see with the Knicks.

Luis_Rivera · 06-28-2007, 11:12 AM

In fairness, the Yankees are much better than their record. Their pythagorean record is 42-33 and their record in 1-run games is 4-13. That's a lot of bad luck.

Although, having a bad bullpen is one of those things that the pyth record underrates, they're still better than their record. If they miss the playoffs this year, they'll likely be right back in the middle of things at the beginning of next year.

CommishJoe · 06-28-2007, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

In fairness, the Yankees are much better than their record. Their pythagorean record is 42-33 and their record in 1-run games is 4-13. That's a lot of bad luck.

Although, having a bad bullpen is one of those things that the pyth record underrates, they're still better than their record. If they miss the playoffs this year, they'll likely be right back in the middle of things at the beginning of next year.

As long as they don't over-react this year, I'd agree with that.

Here's an article about the possibility of a Yanks-Rangers deal for Tex

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6938410

CMH · 06-28-2007, 11:54 AM

I don't think the Yankees need to do much for next season but continue relying on their young arms and developing some hitters.

I always felt this day would come because every year we all wonder when the age is going to catch up to them. It wasn't exactly age this year (young guys got hurt too), but it's a major factor.

I kind of wish the Yanks didn't have Mussina for next season. I just want to see Pettitte be the vet of the group and let the rest of the rotation fill out with younger pitchers from the farm. Let them grow together. Even if Clippard isn't exactly a great arm, I want to see him on the mound some more. Same goes with Karstens when he comes back.

I know Pettitte, Wang, Hughes, Clippard, and Karstens isn't exactly a scary 5-man rotation, but I think they could be solid. I actually look forward to having something like that when the new Yankee Stadium opens up in 2009 - of course, it'll likely not include Pettitte or Karstens. Maybe Sanchez and a free agent pitcher.

Luis_Rivera · 06-28-2007, 11:59 AM

Pettitte is someone who'se future success is up in the air right now. He's got a low-3's ERA, but his FIP is high-3's (his K rate is WAY down) and in addition to that he's due for some regression upwards in the HR/FB department.

Pettitte is a ground ball pitcher, so he can afford a not-so-excellent K/BB ratio and still be an above average pitcher, but the drop in K rate would concern me for the near future.

Luis_Rivera · 06-28-2007, 12:02 PM

dola-

YP, as for your suggestion for a rotation, the front 3 looks pretty good, but starting the season with Karstens and Clippard in the rotation is probably a no-no for the Yanks. Karstens is probably a 6th man at best, and Clippard is a mixed bag at this point.

darkhorse · 06-28-2007, 12:23 PM

Speaking of Yankees pitching prospects, Dominican reliever Edwar Ramirez was signed out of an independent league last year and has put up astounding numbers in limited innings. He's currently laying waste to AAA batters. At age 26, it's doubtful he's an A prospect, but Edwar may have a future at the ML level.

http://firstinning.com/players/Edwar-Ramirez-a/

CommishJoe · 06-28-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

Speaking of Yankees pitching prospects, Dominican reliever Edwar Ramirez was signed out of an independent league last year and has put up astounding numbers in limited innings. He's currently laying waste to AAA batters. At age 26, it's doubtful he's an A prospect, but Edwar may have a future at the ML level.

http://firstinning.com/players/Edwar-Ramirez-a/

WOW! With stats like that, I'd love to see what he could do at the ML level. Their bullpen can't get much worse.

darkhorse · 06-28-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

WOW! With stats like that, I'd love to see what he could do at the ML level. Their bullpen can't get much worse.

Oh, now it's THEIR bullpen.

1998 Yankees · 06-28-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

As long as they don't over-react this year, I'd agree with that.

Here's an article about the possibility of a Yanks-Rangers deal for Tex

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6938410

I'm reading in Newday today that the Yanks are working on Hillenbrand instead. The Angels are about to DFA him and will want a LOT less than the Rangers would want for Teixeira. Let's face it, Hillenbrand will not do much for the Yankees but it's more like subtraction (less given up for him) by addition in this case.

Joshv02 · 06-28-2007, 02:01 PM

Adding Hillenbrandn is subtraction by addition in a lot of ways

mikev · 06-28-2007, 04:24 PM

A's - Yanks this weekend.

Hopefully Dan Johnson hits the crap out of the ball so we can trade him to you guys and call up Daric Barton.

1998 Yankees · 06-28-2007, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mikev

A's - Yanks this weekend.

Hopefully Dan Johnson hits the crap out of the ball so we can trade him to you guys and call up Daric Barton.

Hmmm. Lefty first basemen* are generally welcome but more so at Yankee Stadium if they can hit with power.

* Ooops, wait a minute. He bats lefty but throws righty. Tried to slip that by us, eh?

mikev · 06-28-2007, 05:59 PM

He sorta hits for power, I guess.

I'd trade him for Clippard in hopes that Clippard can be serviceable in the bullpen

1998 Yankees · 06-29-2007, 11:11 PM

Farnsworth's temper tantrum tonight over being removed with two outs in the eighth made me laugh. First of all, he's done very little in general to warrant trust. Secondly, he was being removed for Rivera, "arguably the best relief pitcher in the history of the game" for a four-out save, a move Torre has made before.

What the hell was Farnsworth's problem, muttering as he came out of the game, throwing his glove, slamming his hat down in the dugout, then sitting and staring daggers? What, Torre was supposed to overlook the two singles he just gave up? What a mutt.

edrooney · 06-29-2007, 11:35 PM

Farnsworth is a twat.

Dagrims · 06-30-2007, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

Farnsworth's temper tantrum tonight over being removed with two outs in the eighth made me laugh. First of all, he's done very little in general to warrant trust. Secondly, he was being removed for Rivera, "arguably the best relief pitcher in the history of the game" for a four-out save, a move Torre has made before.

What the hell was Farnsworth's problem, muttering as he came out of the game, throwing his glove, slamming his hat down in the dugout, then sitting and staring daggers? What, Torre was supposed to overlook the two singles he just gave up? What a mutt.

I'd like to think he was frustrated with his own performance, rather than being mad at someone else.

p.s. Based on Rivera's usage (or lack thereof) lately, I'm not sure Torre remembers that Rivera is "arguably the best relief pitcher in the history of the game".

1998 Yankees · 06-30-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagrims

I'd like to think he was frustrated with his own performance, rather than being mad at someone else.

That may be true, but circumstances would seem to indicate otherwise; it looked like he wanted to finish the inning rather than being upset over the two singles he had just given up. Regardless, he shows up Torre by acting like that, and Guidry wanted no part of him; he just walked away from him in the dugout.

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Originally Posted by Dagrims

p.s. Based on Rivera's usage (or lack thereof) lately, I'm not sure Torre remembers that Rivera is "arguably the best relief pitcher in the history of the game".

I was quoting the announcers, but Rivera has shown much more poise, confidence, and effectiveness recently, much mo' like the old Mo. I think it's just a matter of saving your closer for closing situations and there not being many of those recently that accounts for his rare appearances these days, not any lack of confidence in him from Torre.

mh2365 · 07-01-2007, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by edrooney

Farnsworth is a twat.

You shut your mouth
How can you say
he goes about things the wrong way ?
He is Human and he needs to be loved
Just like everybody else does

06-28-2007, 12:23 PM	#1128
darkhorse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: fort worth, tx Posts: 10,850	Speaking of Yankees pitching prospects, Dominican reliever Edwar Ramirez was signed out of an independent league last year and has put up astounding numbers in limited innings. He's currently laying waste to AAA batters. At age 26, it's doubtful he's an A prospect, but Edwar may have a future at the ML level. http://firstinning.com/players/Edwar-Ramirez-a/ __________________ "The Human Torch was denied a bank loan." Last edited by darkhorse; 06-28-2007 at 12:24 PM.

06-28-2007, 02:01 PM	#1132
Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	Adding Hillenbrandn is subtraction by addition in a lot of ways __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

06-28-2007, 04:24 PM	#1133
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	A's - Yanks this weekend. Hopefully Dan Johnson hits the crap out of the ball so we can trade him to you guys and call up Daric Barton. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

06-28-2007, 05:59 PM	#1135
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	He sorta hits for power, I guess. I'd trade him for Clippard in hopes that Clippard can be serviceable in the bullpen __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

06-29-2007, 11:35 PM	#1137
edrooney All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 688 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Farnsworth is a twat. __________________ I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore.

06-28-2007, 11:12 AM	#1123
Luis_Rivera Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,177	In fairness, the Yankees are much better than their record. Their pythagorean record is 42-33 and their record in 1-run games is 4-13. That's a lot of bad luck. Although, having a bad bullpen is one of those things that the pyth record underrates, they're still better than their record. If they miss the playoffs this year, they'll likely be right back in the middle of things at the beginning of next year.

06-28-2007, 11:54 AM	#1125
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	I don't think the Yankees need to do much for next season but continue relying on their young arms and developing some hitters. I always felt this day would come because every year we all wonder when the age is going to catch up to them. It wasn't exactly age this year (young guys got hurt too), but it's a major factor. I kind of wish the Yanks didn't have Mussina for next season. I just want to see Pettitte be the vet of the group and let the rest of the rotation fill out with younger pitchers from the farm. Let them grow together. Even if Clippard isn't exactly a great arm, I want to see him on the mound some more. Same goes with Karstens when he comes back. I know Pettitte, Wang, Hughes, Clippard, and Karstens isn't exactly a scary 5-man rotation, but I think they could be solid. I actually look forward to having something like that when the new Yankee Stadium opens up in 2009 - of course, it'll likely not include Pettitte or Karstens. Maybe Sanchez and a free agent pitcher.

06-28-2007, 11:59 AM	#1126
Luis_Rivera Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,177	Pettitte is someone who'se future success is up in the air right now. He's got a low-3's ERA, but his FIP is high-3's (his K rate is WAY down) and in addition to that he's due for some regression upwards in the HR/FB department. Pettitte is a ground ball pitcher, so he can afford a not-so-excellent K/BB ratio and still be an above average pitcher, but the drop in K rate would concern me for the near future.

06-28-2007, 12:02 PM	#1127
Luis_Rivera Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,177	dola- YP, as for your suggestion for a rotation, the front 3 looks pretty good, but starting the season with Karstens and Clippard in the rotation is probably a no-no for the Yanks. Karstens is probably a 6th man at best, and Clippard is a mixed bag at this point.

06-29-2007, 11:11 PM	#1136
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Farnsworth's temper tantrum tonight over being removed with two outs in the eighth made me laugh. First of all, he's done very little in general to warrant trust. Secondly, he was being removed for Rivera, "arguably the best relief pitcher in the history of the game" for a four-out save, a move Torre has made before. What the hell was Farnsworth's problem, muttering as he came out of the game, throwing his glove, slamming his hat down in the dugout, then sitting and staring daggers? What, Torre was supposed to overlook the two singles he just gave up? What a mutt.