VOTE: Time Warp HOF Ballot 1954 - Page 5

rudel.dietrich · 03-31-2005, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lgkeeper

Misisca
McAuliffe
Kahle
Liao
Ponfick
Paul
Booth

I just don't get this...

Greisbach and Martin were both better players than McAuliffe at his peak.
What gives?

m0ng00se · 03-31-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Looks like Greisbach missed it again

I was never real comfortable with the name Adolf "The Human Torch", but I liked what he did for the Tigers. He may have come up short on the 3000 hit mark. But over 2800 with an average of .348 and over 1000 walks is hard to ingore.

Detroit didn't have a whole lot of winning seasons when Adolf was playing for them. Maybe if his Tiger teams had been more successful team he'd have gotten a bit more love. Regardless, he has my consideration each vote.

canadiancreed · 03-31-2005, 04:07 PM

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I was never real comfortable with the name Adolf "The Human Torch"

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metsgeek · 03-31-2005, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

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Adolf. German. Think about it, creed.

You know, that actually may explain why he doesn't get any love. Considering the era in which he played, he may have gone by a different first name to avoid the obvious reference.

m0ng00se · 03-31-2005, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt from TN

I'm curious as to why you voted for Ponfick over Paul, Schukraft, Booth and Riley.

It was tough, I wanted to vote for more and in hind sight, maybe I should have cut a couple of bats to make room for Paul and Schukraft.

Ponfick was my favorite out of the pitchers were available. He the lowest WHIP while pitching over 1000 more innings everyone but Schukraft. #9 in the career win chart and over 2500Ks were also a factor.

But after further review, I see a couple of his best seasons were during war time. Paul also had some juicy war time numbers, but Schukraft was done in '43 so maybe they had a benefit that Schukraft did not enjoy. Paul's 62.5% win percentage is also hard to ignore. And if I were a smarty like John, I'd also be factoring in ball parks a little better. LOL

I still like Ponfick, but I admit that I think Schukraft and Paul should have gotten a vote from me as well. Arg, thanks for keeping me honest Matt. Can I vote for 12 this year? I'll try to be more selective with my batters next year.

Matt from TN · 03-31-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by metsgeek

Adolf. German. Think about it, creed.

You know, that actually may explain why he doesn't get any love. Considering the era in which he played, he may have gone by a different first name to avoid the obvious reference.

I don't think his "descendant" had that in mind, but it was very surreal. I even had concerns about it before ever putting him in the league. I think he just meant he was supposed to be fast (human torch). Or maybe I'm just naive.

Oddly enough, he did serve in the war. That's why he never reached 3000.

canadiancreed · 03-31-2005, 04:36 PM

ok sorry, brain fart there

DamnYankees · 03-31-2005, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by m0ng00se

I was never real comfortable with the name Adolf "The Human Torch", but I liked what he did for the Tigers. He may have come up short on the 3000 hit mark. But over 2800 with an average of .348 and over 1000 walks is hard to ingore.

Detroit didn't have a whole lot of winning seasons when Adolf was playing for them. Maybe if his Tiger teams had been more successful team he'd have gotten a bit more love. Regardless, he has my consideration each vote.

Haha, wow, I never noticed that. I'm Jewish, but that's pretty damn funny.

Matt from TN · 04-01-2005, 11:34 PM

Kinnear
Greisbach
McAuliffe
Riley
Schukraft
Booth
Paul
Arkless
Minzey
Kahle

Matt from TN · 04-01-2005, 11:39 PM

Dutch gets in on the 1st ballot and Paul on his 2nd. Looks like Greisbach and some others actually lost support this year. Fargo gets less than 5% but this was his last year on the ballot anyway. He's headed to the VC next year.

Code:

Carl Kahle	90.48%
Remmy Paul	80.95%
Adolf Greisbach	61.90%
Luke Riley	57.14%
Sunny Davie	52.38%
David McAuliffe	52.38%
Alan Liao	47.62%
Ervin Skjerly	42.86%
Quenton Misisca	42.86%
Troy Kinnear	42.86%
Dave Arkless	38.10%
Mark Ponfick	38.10%
Art Booth	33.33%
Willard Schwarz	28.57%
Harry Finley	23.81%
Jon Minzey	23.81%
Terry Schukraft	23.81%
Ted Stuart	19.05%
Bobby Martin	14.29%
Ricardo Bowden	 9.52%
Ned Fargo	 4.76%

The following players will fall off the ballot. The year they are eligible for the VC is in parenthesis:

Nasty Ned Fargo (1955)
Jessie Holt (1953)
Ray Dimeo (1954)
Gordon Meadows (1954)
Reggie Woodson (1953)

metsgeek · 04-01-2005, 11:56 PM

Go Grandpa! Hopefully my other grandfather will join you in a couple years.

Matt from TN · 04-01-2005, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by metsgeek

Go Grandpa! Hopefully my other grandfather will join you in a couple years.

So all 3 of Heinrich's sons are in now, right?

metsgeek · 04-02-2005, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt from TN

So all 3 of Heinrich's sons are in now, right?

Yup, the 3 that I added.....there were more, but I stuck to the 3 per generation thing. The 2nd generation of Nagels didn't do as well, though.

Matt from TN · 04-02-2005, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by metsgeek

Yup, the 3 that I added.....there were more, but I stuck to the 3 per generation thing. The 2nd generation of Nagels didn't do as well, though.

I made tougher standards.

THE GUT · 04-02-2005, 11:03 AM

Missed the vote again

I gotta check in more often

tward13 · 04-03-2005, 12:18 PM

McAuliffe
Misisca
Liao
Martin
C. Kahle
Riley
Schukraft
Booth
Ponfick
Paul

tward13 · 04-03-2005, 12:20 PM

Damn, just realized it was done while I was away. Oh well don't think a vote would have mattered for anyone.

Ankhiel · 04-03-2005, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tward13

Damn, just realized it was done while I was away. Oh well don't think a vote would have mattered for anyone.

you were voting for paul, its all that matter

03-31-2005, 04:36 PM	#87
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	ok sorry, brain fart there __________________ PT21 PT22

04-01-2005, 11:34 PM	#89
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	Kinnear Greisbach McAuliffe Riley Schukraft Booth Paul Arkless Minzey Kahle __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

04-01-2005, 11:39 PM	#90
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	Final Results! Dutch gets in on the 1st ballot and Paul on his 2nd. Looks like Greisbach and some others actually lost support this year. Fargo gets less than 5% but this was his last year on the ballot anyway. He's headed to the VC next year. Code: Carl Kahle 90.48% Remmy Paul 80.95% Adolf Greisbach 61.90% Luke Riley 57.14% Sunny Davie 52.38% David McAuliffe 52.38% Alan Liao 47.62% Ervin Skjerly 42.86% Quenton Misisca 42.86% Troy Kinnear 42.86% Dave Arkless 38.10% Mark Ponfick 38.10% Art Booth 33.33% Willard Schwarz 28.57% Harry Finley 23.81% Jon Minzey 23.81% Terry Schukraft 23.81% Ted Stuart 19.05% Bobby Martin 14.29% Ricardo Bowden 9.52% Ned Fargo 4.76% The following players will fall off the ballot. The year they are eligible for the VC is in parenthesis: Nasty Ned Fargo (1955) Jessie Holt (1953) Ray Dimeo (1954) Gordon Meadows (1954) Reggie Woodson (1953) __________________ Set in Stone... Players Remain with Original Franchise

04-01-2005, 11:56 PM	#91
metsgeek Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Norwood, MA Posts: 5,450	Go Grandpa! Hopefully my other grandfather will join you in a couple years. __________________ Commissioner - PBRL - Just finished 2009 109 seasons and still running strong!!!

04-02-2005, 11:03 AM	#95
THE GUT Minors (Double A) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 120	Missed the vote again I gotta check in more often

04-03-2005, 12:18 PM	#96
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,965	McAuliffe Misisca Liao Martin C. Kahle Riley Schukraft Booth Ponfick Paul

04-03-2005, 12:20 PM	#97
tward13 All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,965	Damn, just realized it was done while I was away. Oh well don't think a vote would have mattered for anyone.