2023 NFL Draft

[Ragnar]

If I had to guess, Seattle likes to stockpile draft picks. I think they trade out of that spot for more picks later in the draft.

[damientheomen3]

Originally Posted by GeoWar

The "experts" seem to have the early picks and look of the draft figured out --
Carolina - Houston = QBs Stroud and Young
Arizona looking to trade #3 but wanting Will Andersen
Indy drafting a QB ( Levis or Richardson)
Seattle selecting Carter , Wilson , or CB
Detroit ( really is a wild card ) - but likely selecting one of players Seattle doesn't
Oakland - selecting a QB Levis, Richardson, or Hooker --- a wild card is OT or CB
Atlanta - selecting remaining QB or CB or Edge Murphy
Chicago - selecting OT
Phil - defense or RB Robinson
Tenn - WR
NYJ - OT or CB if top2 OT off board looks like CB
NE - a receiver mixed WR or TE
GB - experts see Edge or TE most lean TE
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Later TB - Balt _ Minn seem to be waiting to see value or QB drop
Jags - Cowboys - and Bills waiting to see if Robinson drops at some point each could trade up
Cinn - looks for an OT or blocking TE

that is how I am reading mock drafts --- IMO

Looks like a pretty good consensus on what most mock drafts have. Keep in mind that in that industry the best 'pro' mock drafts usually have 6-10 picks correct.

[Syd Thrift]

I’ve been slightly against Carter because I’m not sure he’s a great fit, but I’m warming up to him in that he’s still probably got the highest ceiling in the draft and for a guy like that you can make him fit. That doesn’t describe Tyree Wilson and he’s just plan a terrible fit for a 3-4 team: way too small to play end, way too slow to play 3-4 OLB. That’s not saying he’ll be a bust on another team, just that he doesn’t fit in Seattle.

More than anything else though I think they’re going for best guy available. There’s a great chance that that’s Richardson but if Will Anderson is still available they’ll jump on him and I’m guessing that if the 3 QBs taken ahead of them are Stroud, Young, and Richardson, they’ll take Carter in a heartbeat. If the Colts take Levis as everyone seems to be mocking them to do, that’ll be a very tough choice.

I don’t think they’re likely to trade down. Yes, JS loves to trade down when he has middle tier to lower picks but he’s never had the opportunity to go at 5. They also hired Scott McLoughan to help them this year the way he helped them last year and I don’t think you bring a guy in like that to take multiple small bites instead of one big on, I believe them when they say they’re going to keep the pick.

OK, so that said… now I’m back to thinking they’re not drafting Carter. Here’s McLoughan on… someone…

“I won’t say any names but there’s a player this year who is highly, highly, highly talented at a position that’s hard to find. I’ve been there before and I’ve taken that player. I learned early, I didn’t listen to it because the talent outweighed the character but my first boss told me if you make one exception, you’ll end up with a team of exceptions. I never understood what that meant until I got older.”

“Everybody makes mistakes. I’ve made many of them. It’s the ones who keep making the same mistake over and over that really worry you.”

Of course he’s not naming names but… if you can’t figure out who that’s about, I don’t know what to tell you.

[Cobra Mgr]

I find it interesting that no one has come to a consensus on who Carolina is getting. Tells me they have a tight front office right now.

IMO Stroud looks the part. But he had an NFL WR corp in Columbus. I don't like QB's from football factories. There is a reason OSU has had great teams, sent a ton of players to the NFL @ all positions, but never have they sent a consistent franchise starter to the NFL.

Same for Bama. Though I will say I was more impressed w/Young's year last season that Stroud. Bama's targets were more sporadic than the Tide is used to. So his numbers, to me, are more legit as far as showing his ability. But the size scares me.

I honestly think Carolina will be looking to fill the QB position in the 2027 draft. Maybe even in 2026.

[Syd Thrift]

Carolina should just gum up the works by drafting Richardson. That would be amazing because… well, do the Colts still go after Will Levis if one of Stroud or Young are available at 4? If they do, whoever’s left goes at 5 and I’m deeply happy. Ooooor… someone trades with Arizona to draft a QB and Seattle gets Anderson.

[rudel.dietrich]

Why would you trade all the way up to #1 and spend all those assets and not know who your guy is?

Either this is a really good smoke screen by them, or their front office is really bad.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Why would you trade all the way up to #1 and spend all those assets and not know who your guy is?

Either this is a really good smoke screen by them, or their front office is really bad.

I think their thinking was get the QB. Figure out who it will be after they get in the cat bird seat. Like I posted earlier, I think what happened in 2021 had a lot to do with making the trade.

[Ragnar]

Maybe Seattle drafts a running back at #5. Wouldn't that be something?

[GeoWar]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Why would you trade all the way up to #1 and spend all those assets and not know who your guy is?

Either this is a really good smoke screen by them, or their front office is really bad.

Do you get the guy the owner wants ? the front office wants ? the Head Coach wants ?

They maybe doing some closed door discussions What each values ? And which QB meets those needs best ?

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by GeoWar

Do you get the guy the owner wants ? the front office wants ? the Head Coach wants ?

They maybe doing some closed door discussions What each values ? And which QB meets those needs best ?

I would think you would have those discussions and have them worked out BEFORE you trade away a king's ransom to move up to #1

[damientheomen3]

If they feel two of the quarterbacks are worth the #1 pick then they could've made the move (there was plenty of talk about it happening, enough so to suggest Chicago was gonna do it soon so Carolina was under time constraints) with the idea of deciding which one to go for later. I've also heard a lot of evidence that they've been strongly leaning towards CJ Stroud pretty much since the trade so I dunno if they're really still deciding who the pick is gonna be.

[GeoWar]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

I would think you would have those discussions and have them worked out BEFORE you trade away a king's ransom to move up to #1

Carolina likely had a chance of none of the top 4 at #9 so I think I would have explored a trade up ( and the cost of that trade ) before investing the time and resources into which to pick .

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by GeoWar

Carolina likely had a chance of none of the top 4 at #9 so I think I would have explored a trade up ( and the cost of that trade ) before investing the time and resources into which to pick .

This.

[Ragnar]

I don't think Carolina were interested in Levis or Richardson.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I think their thinking was get the QB. Figure out who it will be after they get in the cat bird seat. Like I posted earlier, I think what happened in 2021 had a lot to do with making the trade.

What happened in 2021?

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

What happened in 2021?

If everything stayed pat, it was likely they were going to get one of the top 3 QB's. Then SF jumped up to take Lance. So by the time the pick came to them, they knew the QB's they were hoping for were all gone. So that was the impetus for getting Sam Darnold. Which led to Baker Mayfield.

That is why I think Carolina made the trade. Cause they were still looking for a QB 3 seasons later. They want to resolve this once and for all. I was against it at first. And still not sold on who is available. But I understand the move. They don't want someone to sneak in and all the best choices are gone. And at their original 9 spot, it was unlikely they were going to be able to get one of the top 4 QB's anyway. So they wanted to put themselves in the driver's seat. They are QB or bust and don't want to come up empty again.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

If everything stayed pat, it was likely they were going to get one of the top 3 QB's. Then SF jumped up to take Lance. So by the time the pick came to them, they knew the QB's they were hoping for were all gone. So that was the impetus for getting Sam Darnold. Which led to Baker Mayfield.

That is why I think Carolina made the trade. Cause they were still looking for a QB 3 seasons later. They want to resolve this once and for all. I was against it at first. And still not sold on who is available. But I understand the move. They don't want someone to sneak in and all the best choices are gone. And at their original 9 spot, it was unlikely they were going to be able to get one of the top 4 QB's anyway. So they wanted to put themselves in the driver's seat. They are QB or bust and don't want to come up empty again.

I forgot about that. But in hindsight the 49ers did the Panthers a favor. Besides, Justin Fields was still on the board when Carolina picked.

I wonder if Carolina tried to trade up with the Cardinals first? Or if they just said screw it, go straight to 1 for the top pick.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I forgot about that. But in hindsight the 49ers did the Panthers a favor. Besides, Justin Fields was still on the board when Carolina picked.

In all likelihood, yeah. But then they wouldn't have spent what they did to get Baker & Darnold. Or drafted Horn who has yet to stay healthy for more than a month. I say they still took it as a lesson learned.Like they say in putting...If you miss, miss it long, not short. Miss cause you were aggressive, not passive. And I do agree w/that philosophy. They are making the effort. And it looks like its not just chasing after attention or wanting the shiny object like I accused them of at first.

[damientheomen3]

A little under 3 hours away from the 1st round tonight. Time to make a new email and sign up for a Fubo free trial!

[Cobra Mgr]

Wow. Texans making moves