Universal Team Boxing Association - Page 5

jbergey22 · 06-30-2006, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

But if you can pick two fighters ... I no matter what rating and one 7 or below, then it's hard to complain about draft order, because you already have tow boxers you want ... If I don't have two boxers I want and random draw puts me last, then I probably won't have any fun in this league. If I have to pick last at least I can follow my two boxers.

Well if you had last pick, u would have picks 16, 17 so its actually not a bad deal.

Problem is presented here, lets ***ume random team A-chooses Muhammed Ali, also getting the #1 pick and selects the #1 boxer from the random pool. This will give that person a huge advantage over the 16th pick that may pick his favorite boxer who may not be the best, he also gets arguably the 16th best fighter in the pool. I think the best way to compensate for this is like I recommended earlier, each team nominates 2 boxers. So if a team has the 8th pick and nominates Ali, he more then likely wont get Ali, yet a person like yourself nominates there favorite boxers who is not as good as some of the greats, you will put yourself in a favorable position to get that boxer.

My other concern is this, lets say I want Mike Tyson as my boxer. I certainly dont want him if hes goinig up against Ali, Marciano, Frazier in the heavyweight division. My #1 guy would be the 4th best boxer in his weight cl***, plus this will eliminate all these great boxers for down the road, where as if the was a random draw Tyson could be the best heavyweight in his division. I am not saying I dont like your idea, I just think it needs to be tweaked to keep the league more fair, the idea of nominating fighters is actually going to work in your advantage since your pick probably wouldnt be any better then the 12th best boxer that someone would pick. I can say fairly confidently that guys like Ali, Tyson, Jones Jr and some other greats will be nominated and are probably just a bit better then yor pick. If we nominate I can confidently so YOU will get your guys also so it essence this protects against unfairness and will give each owner an opportunity to pick his guy. You may be faced with a dilemna if you have 1st pick, do you pick your nominated boxer or do you take Muhammed Ali? I hope you understand what I am saying. Sorry to ramble on.

SAL · 07-01-2006, 02:42 PM

Here's just an IDEA for the first year draft.
Don't hang me out to dry for this one.

Do away with the draft pool for the first year draft.
All managers of teams could make a list of 16 fighters (2 fighters in each of
the original 8 weight divisions) that they want using the following guidelines.
Each team must have:
1 fighter rated 10 or 11
1 fighter rated 9
2 fighters rated 8
2 fighters rated 7
3 fighters rated 6
3 fighters rated 5
2 fighters rated 4
2 fighters rated 3
and submit the list to me by PM.

Once I have received all 16 of the teams draft list, I will go through them and scratch off any duplication of fighters that appear on two or more lists and any scratched fighter will become a vacant spot on a teams roster. Any vacancies left on a team roster will be filled through a draft using the draft order (1-16, 16-1....) until all vacant spots on a team roster are filled.

Hopefully this will leave every team with 10 or more boxers on their roster, every team will have some boxers that they want on their team and this will cut down on the number of rounds to go through for a 16 round draft here on the forum.

*Remember that we will be using the stock database of fighters. I have went through my db and any fighter that has been rated in more than one weight division, I use his rating that is in one of the original 8 weight divsions as his default rating.

CONN CHRIS · 07-01-2006, 03:19 PM

I like the idea a lot SAL. I was going to suggest an initial points allocation of some sort but wasn't sure how to do it. Your idea sounds perfect to me!

SAL · 07-01-2006, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I like the idea a lot SAL. I was going to suggest an initial points allocation of some sort but wasn't sure how to do it. Your idea sounds perfect to me!

I was trying to figure a way to do the draft a little quicker. If we all have to draft 16 rounds here on the forum, I can see it taking 2 to 3 weeks to complete and then everybody would be burned out on this league before it even gets started. After the first season is completed, the draft will be easier to do because we will only have three rounds to draft and we could do that in a night or two.

SAL · 07-01-2006, 04:05 PM

Here's a sneak peak at the UTBA League
We still need four more teams.

CONN CHRIS · 07-01-2006, 07:40 PM

I'm getting excited!

mh2365 · 07-01-2006, 09:42 PM

I can jump on board with that idea ... I'll start making my list ... using the new database right?

SAL · 07-01-2006, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mh2365

I can jump on board with that idea ... I'll start making my list ... using the new database right?

I would say yes assuming everyone has downloaded the new database.

mh2365 · 07-01-2006, 10:34 PM

Romy being gone for the month may cause a problem though

SAL · 07-01-2006, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mh2365

Romy being gone for the month may cause a problem though

Hopefully Romy sees this before he leaves for the beach and he can send me a list. If he doesn't and it is okay with everyone here, I told him I would take care of his team while he was away since I don't have a team in this league.

mh2365 · 07-01-2006, 10:47 PM

I don't see why not ... I'd be just fine with you picking for him. I'll have a list for you by Tuesday night.

SAL · 07-01-2006, 10:47 PM

I might also mention that you can feel free to put active fighters on your lists along with retired ones. To make a long story short, if you change an active fighter to retired/prime before you hit the CS Adj button you can then use the aging feature without disturbing the original ratings by Trunzo of an active fighter.
Mike I know you had a thread on aging active fighters in the General Discussions thread. If you want, I'll find it and post how I tested this.

mh2365 · 07-01-2006, 11:05 PM

That would be helpful ... I probably won't pick anyone who isn't prime though.

bigMatt · 07-02-2006, 06:22 PM

Gentlemen, my list has been submitted.

Since I didn't totally understand how to deal with post-prime fighters, I avoided personal favs like Stevie Johnston and one or two others who I'd have probably selected.

Anyway, I'm ready to rumble...

vistaman44 · 07-02-2006, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAL

I would say yes assuming everyone has downloaded the new database.

As I mentioned earlier, I am still in TBCB1. I assume the retired frighters pre-2000 won't have changed any ... but is there anywhere a list of the actives?

mh2365 · 07-02-2006, 08:08 PM

Okay picking my guys ... orginal 8 classes HW,LH,MW,WW,LW,FW,BW,FLY

so can jr's be used up or down?

jbergey22 · 07-02-2006, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAL

Here's just an IDEA for the first year draft.
Don't hang me out to dry for this one.

Do away with the draft pool for the first year draft.
All managers of teams could make a list of 16 fighters (2 fighters in each of
the original 8 weight divisions) that they want using the following guidelines.
Each team must have:
1 fighter rated 10 or 11
1 fighter rated 9
2 fighters rated 8
2 fighters rated 7
3 fighters rated 6
3 fighters rated 5
2 fighters rated 4
2 fighters rated 3
and submit the list to me by PM.

Once I have received all 16 of the teams draft list, I will go through them and scratch off any duplication of fighters that appear on two or more lists and any scratched fighter will become a vacant spot on a teams roster. Any vacancies left on a team roster will be filled through a draft using the draft order (1-16, 16-1....) until all vacant spots on a team roster are filled.

Hopefully this will leave every team with 10 or more boxers on their roster, every team will have some boxers that they want on their team and this will cut down on the number of rounds to go through for a 16 round draft here on the forum.

*Remember that we will be using the stock database of fighters. I have went through my db and any fighter that has been rated in more than one weight division, I use his rating that is in one of the original 8 weight divsions as his default rating.

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Great Idea Sal! Im all for it.

mh2365 · 07-02-2006, 09:54 PM

got my list together .. maybe too intoxicated to pm it to Sal right now but gonna try LOL

mh2365 · 07-02-2006, 10:00 PM

My list has been sent

mh2365 · 07-02-2006, 10:11 PM

My lone suggestion to fix the opening fighter list would be say two teams pick the same 8 rated fighter ... send both teams a PM saying two teams picked fighter X, here are the 8 rated fighters already picked, pick another one.

Because if my 9 rated fighter is picked by someone else and I have to draft I probably won't get to replace him with a 9 rated fighter and my team suffers for it. Once the first round is done say me and someone else pick the same 8 rated fighter, Sal e-mails us who has already been taken and those guys are now locked in. The chances of the two teams picking the same guy again are slim and none.

07-01-2006, 02:42 PM	#82
SAL Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 5,732	Another Draft Idea! Here's just an IDEA for the first year draft. Don't hang me out to dry for this one. Do away with the draft pool for the first year draft. All managers of teams could make a list of 16 fighters (2 fighters in each of the original 8 weight divisions) that they want using the following guidelines. Each team must have: 1 fighter rated 10 or 11 1 fighter rated 9 2 fighters rated 8 2 fighters rated 7 3 fighters rated 6 3 fighters rated 5 2 fighters rated 4 2 fighters rated 3 and submit the list to me by PM. Once I have received all 16 of the teams draft list, I will go through them and scratch off any duplication of fighters that appear on two or more lists and any scratched fighter will become a vacant spot on a teams roster. Any vacancies left on a team roster will be filled through a draft using the draft order (1-16, 16-1....) until all vacant spots on a team roster are filled. Hopefully this will leave every team with 10 or more boxers on their roster, every team will have some boxers that they want on their team and this will cut down on the number of rounds to go through for a 16 round draft here on the forum. Remember that we will be using the stock database of fighters. I have went through my db and any fighter that has been rated in more than one weight division, I use his rating that is in one of the original 8 weight divsions as his default rating. Last edited by SAL; 07-01-2006 at 03:48 PM.*

07-01-2006, 03:19 PM	#83
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,090	I like the idea a lot SAL. I was going to suggest an initial points allocation of some sort but wasn't sure how to do it. Your idea sounds perfect to me! __________________ Check Out My Cards!

07-01-2006, 04:05 PM	#85
SAL Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Joplin MO Posts: 5,732	Here's a sneak peak at the UTBA League We still need four more teams. Attached Images Last edited by SAL; 07-01-2006 at 04:11 PM.

07-01-2006, 07:40 PM	#86
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,090	I'm getting excited! __________________ Check Out My Cards!

07-01-2006, 09:42 PM	#87
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I can jump on board with that idea ... I'll start making my list ... using the new database right?

07-01-2006, 10:34 PM	#89
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Romy being gone for the month may cause a problem though

07-01-2006, 10:47 PM	#91
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I don't see why not ... I'd be just fine with you picking for him. I'll have a list for you by Tuesday night.

07-01-2006, 11:05 PM	#93
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	That would be helpful ... I probably won't pick anyone who isn't prime though.

07-02-2006, 06:22 PM	#94
bigMatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kansas Posts: 2,378	Gentlemen, my list has been submitted. Since I didn't totally understand how to deal with post-prime fighters, I avoided personal favs like Stevie Johnston and one or two others who I'd have probably selected. Anyway, I'm ready to rumble...

07-02-2006, 08:08 PM	#96
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Okay picking my guys ... orginal 8 classes HW,LH,MW,WW,LW,FW,BW,FLY so can jr's be used up or down?

07-02-2006, 09:54 PM	#98
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	got my list together .. maybe too intoxicated to pm it to Sal right now but gonna try LOL

07-02-2006, 10:00 PM	#99
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	My list has been sent

07-02-2006, 10:11 PM	#100
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	My lone suggestion to fix the opening fighter list would be say two teams pick the same 8 rated fighter ... send both teams a PM saying two teams picked fighter X, here are the 8 rated fighters already picked, pick another one. Because if my 9 rated fighter is picked by someone else and I have to draft I probably won't get to replace him with a 9 rated fighter and my team suffers for it. Once the first round is done say me and someone else pick the same 8 rated fighter, Sal e-mails us who has already been taken and those guys are now locked in. The chances of the two teams picking the same guy again are slim and none.