2007 New York Yankees Thread

[darkhorse]

Originally Posted by CommishJoe

On a sadder note:

The Yankees are adding Roger Clemens to their rotation Monday.

Stop drinking from the hatorade! Just kidding. A shame about Hughes.

[PerfectMisnomer]

Originally Posted by QuestGAV

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It's pretty funny. You do what you have to do to win within the rules and without hurting someone. This counts. Slapping Arroyo and to a lesser extent the shoulder check to Pedroia were outside the lines.

No, it's bush league. Players need to call for the ball in order to protect themselves from injury. It was Clark's first or second game, I believe, so he would have no idea what Macdonald or anyone else sounds like when they go for the ball.

The fact that A-Rod says he said "Ha!" when his lips clearly said something different, more closely to "mine" shows how much of an ass he is. He can't even admit what he did.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by CommishJoe

On a sadder note:

They won't be getting Phil Hughes back anytime soon, however.

Hughes, who has been on the disabled list with a strained left hamstring since May 2, rolled his left ankle last week. He has been diagnosed with a Grade III ankle sprain, according to general manager Brian Cashman, and is expected to need four to six weeks of rehabilitation. A Grade III sprain is the most severe of the three sprains, and involves a completely torn ligament.

Hughes will be out until at least the All-Star break.

This really is getting ridiculous. Aggravating is the better term. You can't get any satisfaction out of firing the conditioning coach, either, because that's already been done.

[darkenigma510]

I'm a Jays fan and personally, while I think its cheesy for ARod to do and nothing to be proud of, its no worse than Mike Lowell pulling the hidden ball trick once every two to three years.

Maybe Jose Reyes should get plunked for distracting Benitez and causing him to balk!!

[CommishJoe]

Originally Posted by darkhorse

Stop drinking from the hatorade! Just kidding. A shame about Hughes.

You get an A for mis-quoting effort

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by darkenigma510

I'm a Jays fan and personally, while I think its cheesy for ARod to do and nothing to be proud of, its no worse than Mike Lowell pulling the hidden ball trick once every two to three years.

Maybe Jose Reyes should get plunked for distracting Benitez and causing him to balk!!

I'm a Yankees fan and I'm not proud of what A-Rod did, but I do like one thing. If cheesy tricks will spark this team, losers of five straight before last night's game, then I am for them.

Not cheating, not bad sportsmanship, but honest deception (how's that for an oxymoron? ) is part of the game even though it may not seem fair to the guy who was tricked. You mentioned a couple; how about the cutoff guy in the middle of the diamond throwing up his glove as if to catch the ball, then letting it go through? How about the infielder simulating a catch and tag at one base when the throw went to another? How about that "fake to third, throw to first" pickoff move?

Funny, but I would not include stealing catcher signs from second base as OK; that is cheating to me. Others may not see the distinction from the above. It's all in the personal interpretation, I guess.

Tell you one thing. If it were the Jays in last place and losers of five straight, I would not blame one of them for trying to pull a trick like this one, or busting (cleanly) into my 2B man, or slapping a ball out of a glove (without being ridiculously obvious about it). It shows that the player, if not the team, still has some spirit left and is doing what he can to win.

[spark240]

Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

...how about the cutoff guy in the middle of the diamond throwing up his glove as if to catch the ball, then letting it go through? How about the infielder simulating a catch and tag at one base when the throw went to another? How about that "fake to third, throw to first" pickoff move?

All of those moves represent deception on the part of the defensive team--"maybe they'll think I'm doing that, when I'm really doing this"; the offensive team puts themselves at a disadvantage if they're not paying close enough attention to know what's really happening.

By contrast, arod's ploy was, as an offensive player, to pretend to be a defensive player. It would be akin to, say, an on-deck batter tossing a spare baseball into the area where the actual ball in play has gotten away from the catcher. An interference call should have been made.

[spark240]

Originally Posted by robster1225

Hey, you know what, I'll take some bush league (if that's what you call it) if it gets us some wins.

I guess this is what John Gibbons meant when he talked about the disappearance of the former Yankee "class."

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by spark240

I guess this is what John Gibbons meant when he talked about the disappearance of the former Yankee "class."

I grant you, that may have gone out with the former Yankee "wins."

[Skipaway]

Originally Posted by spark240

By contrast, arod's ploy was, as an offensive player, to pretend to be a defensive player. It would be akin to, say, an on-deck batter tossing a spare baseball into the area where the actual ball in play has gotten away from the catcher. An interference call should have been made.

Why would that be similar, consider they are regulated differently in rules? You would have to think of something that's not against the rules to make them similar.

[Tony M]

Just read somewhere that Giambi might have gotten himself an SEI (or at least three weeks on the sidelines).

Along with the news on Hughes, it doesn't just rain for the Yankees it pours, this season.

[toolboxnj]

Can we call it the curse of Sweeney Murti? I mean, the Yankees haven't won a championship since he started covering them on the Fan

[RchW]

Originally Posted by Skipaway

Why would that be similar, consider they are regulated differently in rules? You would have to think of something that's not against the rules to make them similar.

A-Rod's yell was clearly interference by MLB definition. Bold is my emphasis.

INTERFERENCE
(a) Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play. If the umpire declares the batter, batter- runner, or a runner out for interference, all other runners shall return to the last base that was in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference, unless otherwise provided by these rules.

[crackpott]

Originally Posted by RchW

A-Rod's yell was clearly interference by MLB definition. Bold is my emphasis.

Good call, Rich, I was just about to post that.

Also to those who say they should know the voice of the shortstop... Howie Clark was just called up, he hasn't had time to really get to know McDonald's voice yet. I have a feeling A-Rod knew this... he wouldn't have pulled this crap on Glaus.

[CMH]

Originally Posted by crackpott

Good call, Rich, I was just about to post that.

Also to those who say they should know the voice of the shortstop... Howie Clark was just called up, he hasn't had time to really get to know McDonald's voice yet. I have a feeling A-Rod knew this... he wouldn't have pulled this crap on Glaus.

Well, Glaus probably would have tackled him and Alex wouldn't want that.

[RchW]

Originally Posted by YankeePride

Well, Glaus probably would have tackled him and Alex wouldn't want that.

When Glaus was interviewed after the game he made that point.

[CMH]

Originally Posted by RchW

When Glaus was interviewed after the game he made that point.

Ha, I didn't know that. I'm not surprised, though.

[1998 Yankees]

Originally Posted by redsoxford

Just read somewhere that Giambi might have gotten himself an SEI (or at least three weeks on the sidelines).

Along with the news on Hughes, it doesn't just rain for the Yankees it pours, this season.

Actually, Torre slipped and said "it's a blessing in disguise." Why?

1. Giambi had not been hitting well, even before his foot injury. Certainly not like the power hitter that he is paid to be. 7 HR's and 23 RBI's at this point in the season is not very productive for somebody getting paid as much as he is making. We may be seeing his career winding down at this point - physically, he doesn't look like the type that can play well into his late 30's. (A David Wells flash occurs at this point, but still.)
2. This allows Damon to move to DH, and the theory there is that a rested, healing Damon will be a much improved hitter.
3. This allows Cabrera to move to CF and play regularly. We are seeing signs that he is awakening from his early season slumber at the bat.
4. This allows Thompson to get the shot at the bigs that he deserves (he's 27, so he better do it soon) and finally puts to rest any speculation that Williams is coming back to the team (even if he was coming up from two months at Scranton, this would have been his best chance to play with the Yankees this year), as it should be.

So, the way Giambi has been playing (darn him anyway for stubbornly refusing to do anything differently about that infield shift), this is not a great loss at this time and may even make the Yankees better.

[1998 Yankees]

Dola,

This is coming from a Yankees fan, albeit one who has never liked Proctor anyway: If Scott Proctor continues to throw at people's heads, he ought to be heavily fined and suspended for a long time.

This is the second time in recent weeks that he has either prolonged or escalated tension between two teams when they were "even" at that point and things could have calmed down. All Proctor has done now has put Yankee batters at risk in tonight's game.

Why? Because no matter what the situation, you never, ever, throw at someone's head. Even if the BoSox were due some retaliation (I don't know, maybe I lost count), Youkilis had every right to pound Proctor for putting his life in jeopardy. Don't tell me that Proctor lost control of a brushback pitch to that extent; I don't buy it, not from multi-millionaire pitchers paid to throw strikes.

Proctor has just pulled ahead of Farnworth on my personal "Most Disliked Yankee" list. Farnsworth is just gutless and incompetent. Proctor is not only incompetent, he has shown himself to be not a very nice person (language toned down from what I want to say) as well. And he is more gutless than Farnsworth in the sense that he knows he can hide behind all Yankee bodies that will shield him in a brawl and that he never has to bat.

[toolboxnj]

When is Abreu going to be traded? Problem is the Yankees are going to have to pick up part of his salary and who would you get in return? Also, is Cano just spoiled as a Yankee or the real thing? He hit .342 last year, if I remember, but is that just the product of his environment?

It's probably time to start looking toward next year and you can still do that while filling up the stadium. I'm not talking a Florida-type fire sale, but I remember the Yankees of the late 1990s, early part of the decade and I can't remember anything like this happen to those teams.