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Old 06-05-2020, 02:12 PM   #61
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Part of my frustration here - and I’ve got to say, I wound up setting PT aside because of this - is that if the guy I reported on in the OP was ever disciplined (and by the way I can’t see how anything short of “your account is banned, create a brand new one” is sufficient), their team didn’t change until after the season was over. IMO if you have to step in to suspend or ban a player, you should just allow the AI to take over the team, for better or for worse, and then if need be remove them from future leagues. I’m sure that will cause some of these teams to accidentally win championships but it’s not like they’ll be able to do anything with their ill-gotten gains.
Understood completely. We are far from perfect (no pun intended) but our moderation has improved significantly this year as we've learned and made mistakes. We still have many more improvements to go in this space and I promise you we take it seriously.

And to Matt's point, reporting in-game is crucial. Not that you're not doing that, but that helps immensely.
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Old 06-05-2020, 02:25 PM   #62
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I reported him 3 times in game and that team just kept doing what it was doing. So I used the massive amount of PPs I got from his tanking efforts (I think it was well over 20k) to complete a few collections and frankly I feel like my whole team is built on the back of points I didn’t deserve. So... maybe I’ll I pick it back up in a few months but now, too, it’s in the back of my mind that every team I play with jacked up players could be just a good strategist, a whale (which hey, if that’s how you want to play, you do you), or one of these teams that benefited from tanking for a while and now no longer has to. So I don’t know, maybe next year then...
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Old 06-05-2020, 03:19 PM   #63
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I reported him 3 times in game and that team just kept doing what it was doing. So I used the massive amount of PPs I got from his tanking efforts (I think it was well over 20k) to complete a few collections and frankly I feel like my whole team is built on the back of points I didn’t deserve. So... maybe I’ll I pick it back up in a few months but now, too, it’s in the back of my mind that every team I play with jacked up players could be just a good strategist, a whale (which hey, if that’s how you want to play, you do you), or one of these teams that benefited from tanking for a while and now no longer has to. So I don’t know, maybe next year then...
If it would help to assuage your conscience, you could put those jacked up players on the block with the lowest BIN possible. You would relieve yourself of the burden of carrying ill-gotten (through no fault of yours, though) players AND PPs at the same time!
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Old 06-05-2020, 03:35 PM   #64
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Friday evening and Saturday morning is the time to see a bunch those teams that were around or just under 500 at the all-star break suddenly forget how to win games the rest of the season.
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Old 06-05-2020, 04:29 PM   #65
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Friday evening and Saturday morning is the time to see a bunch those teams that were around or just under 500 at the all-star break suddenly forget how to win games the rest of the season.
In my PT career this year, I've been fortunate to be in the running for the playoff each week. However, I must say that if I was clearly out of the running for the playoffs by the end of Friday or start of Saturday, I'd likely switch players around in different positions to train them up for future seasons. I'd probably lose more games that way than if I played out the string with the best possible lineup, but I'd want to do that to give myself the best chance at winning in the future. I wouldn't consider that tanking...now, if I subbed out all of my pitchers for Iron-level ones...
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Old 06-06-2020, 04:47 PM   #66
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Friday evening and Saturday morning is the time to see a bunch those teams that were around or just under 500 at the all-star break suddenly forget how to win games the rest of the season.

Honestly should be earlier. If you aren't contending at the all-star break, use the time after it to cross-train cards.
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Old 06-06-2020, 05:09 PM   #67
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Honestly should be earlier. If you aren't contending at the all-star break, use the time after it to cross-train cards.
Exactly

I spent way to many PP points trying to improve my team only to see them trashed day after day. I'm not tanking but I've reached the point no use in dropping wasting any more points. I can still be 20 games under 500 with either Pedrioa or Cano at 2nd or Sierra in right vs Klein. It doesn't matter
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Old 06-06-2020, 05:11 PM   #68
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Quick update, FWIW. Reported this team on Wed and (for good measure) Friday. Plus, the team gained some notoriety in this thread. Here are the team's results for Sept.
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Old 06-06-2020, 05:13 PM   #69
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Astonishingly, the team's run differential is -1027. The next worst team in the league is -166.
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Old 06-06-2020, 09:45 PM   #70
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I'm sorry, but this "baloney" makes a mockery of the game.
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Old 06-07-2020, 01:00 AM   #71
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Are they setting their starting pitchers to extremely low pitch counts and then their bullpens are just constantly exhausted?
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Old 06-07-2020, 02:29 AM   #72
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New player here (well, last played OOTP in 2002). There is another NC Dinos team in my Rookie league, 67. Reported him today as his team has gone from Rookie to Iron and back each year, with the same type of run differentials as posted above.

Can see from his card historical stats that Randy Johnson pitched in 2026, 2028 and 2030, while it was all Iron cards pitching in the odd years to get relegated.

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Old 06-10-2020, 10:52 AM   #73
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New player here (well, last played OOTP in 2002). There is another NC Dinos team in my Rookie league, 67. Reported him today as his team has gone from Rookie to Iron and back each year, with the same type of run differentials as posted above.

Can see from his card historical stats that Randy Johnson pitched in 2026, 2028 and 2030, while it was all Iron cards pitching in the odd years to get relegated.
Ha, I just played them and picked up a ton of points. Looked at their roster and here's what's going on:

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Ha, I just played them and picked up a ton of points. Looked at their roster and here's what's going on:

Again, please be sure to report teams like this, with details, and they will be investigated.
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Old 06-10-2020, 10:55 AM   #75
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Are they setting their starting pitchers to extremely low pitch counts and then their bullpens are just constantly exhausted?
I'm playing a team now that has only 23 players on its active roster with only 9 pitchers. It's been throwing batters out of the pen in almost every game I've played them.
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Old 06-10-2020, 10:59 AM   #76
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I reported him 3 times in game and that team just kept doing what it was doing. So I used the massive amount of PPs I got from his tanking efforts (I think it was well over 20k) to complete a few collections and frankly I feel like my whole team is built on the back of points I didn’t deserve. So... maybe I’ll I pick it back up in a few months but now, too, it’s in the back of my mind that every team I play with jacked up players could be just a good strategist, a whale (which hey, if that’s how you want to play, you do you), or one of these teams that benefited from tanking for a while and now no longer has to. So I don’t know, maybe next year then...
Eh, I think it evens out. I just got quite a few PP playing a team with only Iron pitchers on its roster (who also has a bunch of Diamonds and Golds cooling on the reserve roster).

I think a lot of teams run in to this at some point so it's not really getting an advantage if it happens almost universally.

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Old 06-10-2020, 11:01 AM   #77
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Eh, I think it evens out. I just got quite a few PP playing a team with only 0 Iron pitchers on its roster (who also has a bunch of Diamonds and Golds cooling on the reserve roster).

I think a lot of teams run in to this at some point so it's not really getting an advantage if it happens almost universally.
If everybody runs into this stuff, then the market is being oversaturated with too many PPs in general, and that's a (different) reason to not want to play. Hopefully OOTPD will take that more seriously because it's also going to discourage whales from spending money, since their money is worth less due to cheating.
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Old 06-10-2020, 11:03 AM   #78
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Again, please be sure to report teams like this, with details, and they will be investigated.
OK just did!

I thought the team was just in a state of flux, maybe he was just working on changes at first when I saw only 23 players. But seeing as either it's the same team or an alt of a the same user doing this with a team that has the same name, I would say it's intentional.
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If everybody runs into this stuff, then the market is being oversaturated with too many PPs in general, and that's a (different) reason to not want to play. Hopefully OOTPD will take that more seriously because it's also going to discourage whales from spending money, since their money is worth less due to cheating.
Yeah it's not ideal, but I don't think you should feel like your team is not legit either. I would bet most if not all teams have gotten a bunch of PP the same way.
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If everybody runs into this stuff, then the market is being oversaturated with too many PPs in general, and that's a (different) reason to not want to play. Hopefully OOTPD will take that more seriously because it's also going to discourage whales from spending money, since their money is worth less due to cheating.
As I've said previously in this thread, people seem to overstate the frequency that tanking teams occur. You are talking about the 1% of teams not the 40% of teams.

Doesnt mean we dont take it seriously, but just want to make sure everyone realizes were talking about the vast minority of teams employing against-TOS strategies
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