Competitive balance discussion

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by Thalion

I know what you mean. I don't follow MLB anymore but when I'm listening to the radio, I hear "So and so signed Name-I-Normally-Don't-Know to a 1 year deal for $11 million" and I think, "What?! He's just a silver!"

Tell you what, Matt Harvey got $11m from the Angels, and he is hardly a bronze.

[boxner1]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I think giving higher rewards for higher tiers is just exponentially increasing the rewards for the teams with good players. You are already getting rewarded for having the good cards. By having the good cards you're getting into the higher tiers. That's the point in this whole game.That's your reward. Giving more to the already good teams just drives the lower teams out.

What can Perfect teams do with points, extra or otherwise? If they already have Perfect players at every position then points are meaningless. Teams in the top tier that aren't perfect could use the extra points to be a little more competitive.

[old timer]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm3

Higher rewards for higher tiers make sense when player skill is a determining factor in the outcome. PT is a simulation though, so you'd just be rewarding luck.

At this point in time, I favor keeping the rewards the same regardless of league level. However, that doesn't mean I like it the way it is now, I just think it might create more problems to change and reward more PP at higher levels.

One problem with not rewarding more PP for higher leagues, is that the only reward you get for being promoted is to see how your team can do against tougher teams. And I'm sure it will feel better to beat tougher competition. But for most teams (at the present time - which should change in the future), getting promoted mostly just means you get to lose more.

[DonkeyKongSr]

Originally Posted by humboldt1498

Yeah, I foresee inflation coming to the auction house for rare historical cards. IMO, buy them now before they get even more expensive.

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Yup, once everyone has the "cookie cutter" lineup, the only way to improve is to find the better rare cards. I don't think I'll ever put another historical diamond+ up with a BIN price, because I've done it a couple times a few thousand above the average and they sold quick. Let the whales fight it out for the cards, instead of just the first one to see it.

[uschi_baerchen]

Originally Posted by BusterKing

You are absolutely correct but they don't care. This PT can be so much fun if they didn't have the PTW, but money talks. I have been supporting OOTP since the very first version but this is leaving a really bad taste in my mouth. I am surprise that Markus isn't giving us a version of it that we can ALL enjoy.

First of all: I think that you should buy PP for a fair share of your life Money in order to Support OOTP. It is up to you, what you define as fair share, say 10 Dollars (I spent 50).


Second of all: even with 50 Dollars you will not be in a Position to buy a whale - Team or to draw enough Diamond/Perfects - Cards to construct one. (You Can check my Team if you like, it is the Beechwood Bucaneers in Gold 285) .My guesstimate is, that you would need around 1000 Dollars to buy a whale under the condition that you have not found a way to cheat.


Third of all: there are bargains around on the Player market, Players who are worse than Trout but not much and way cheaper, may there aren´t enough whales to Keep you from at least competing in the highest leagues against beeing relegated if you use all of your wits?


Fourth of all: there are some 4000 Players around, i would assume, that even without whales I would have a hard time to compete against the best of them, whatever best means. Maybe they have much more time then me, are more intelligent, are younger, do know more about Baseball (I am from Germany), there are many set-backs I could bring fourth in order to argue why I am not winning it all.


Fifth of all: maybe PP becames boring, PP would share this fate with games like Witcher, GTA V, XCOM, ... as far as I am concerned, the Company of PP would not be too shaby then? I Play it until I start to feel bored, which is not yet the case.

[Mat]

I dont understand this need to buy PP?

I am one who will not pay a cent for worthless PP, I enjoy the main solo game way more. But I am checking in on my team every day, and really enjoying it.

I am leading my bronze league division and have a chance on moving up after season 3. I feel like Theo Epstein.

[BusterKing]

Originally Posted by Mat

I dont understand this need to buy PP?

I am one who will not pay a cent for worthless PP, I enjoy the main solo game way more. But I am checking in on my team every day, and really enjoying it.

I am leading my bronze league division and have a chance on moving up after season 3. I feel like Theo Epstein.

the fun stops when you have teams with mostly perfect and diamond cards killing your team with ridiculous scores, but that's pay to win games for you

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by BusterKing

the fun stops when you have teams with mostly perfect and diamond cards killing your team with ridiculous scores, but that's pay to win games for you

The alternative would be no game at all. How fun would that be?

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by BusterKing

the fun stops when you have teams with mostly perfect and diamond cards killing your team with ridiculous scores, but that's pay to win games for you

There is no reason for you to try to rain on someone else's parade with your doom and gloom. The teams are already drifting apart in terms of talent. The lower leagues are becoming much more competitive. My completely free to play team, the Happy Plankton(named that to show that you can have fun as whale food, if you take your fun where you find it.) are in a gold league and not getting embarrassed daily. In fact they are on the bubble to perhaps be promoted again. They have one diamond, a Carasco, one gold, and the rest are silver and bronze. The top teams are not even in Diamond or Perfect level yet which will even allow more competitiveness in levels below Perfect. Do you have to be in the Perfect level to be happy? If so, spend some money to support OOTP. If not, then be happy in the league level that your team finds a home. If you forget that there are levels above yours and enjoy that level that you play in as if it were the Major Leagues, you will have fun.


Its just a game. Have fun!

[Maddox]

Originally Posted by Mat

I dont understand this need to buy PP?

I am one who will not pay a cent for worthless PP, I enjoy the main solo game way more. But I am checking in on my team every day, and really enjoying it.

I am leading my bronze league division and have a chance on moving up after season 3. I feel like Theo Epstein.

I put in $5 during beta but I also bought the game heavily discounted during a steam sale so I figured I could throw a little more the Devs way.

Originally Posted by BusterKing

the fun stops when you have teams with mostly perfect and diamond cards killing your team with ridiculous scores, but that's pay to win games for you

I still believe we need to be patient, that promotion and relegation will make that occurrence (getting blown out by whales) less and less likely. The problem is that in the 5 weeks or so for teams to settle into the league that is best fit for them that many will simply give up. That is a long time to wait to feel like you are finally in a competitive league.

It looks like my main team is under performing so badly that we will stay in the Gold league next week. All, or almost all whale teams will be promoted to diamond so Gold should be a little more competitive next week.

There will occasionally be whale teams who join late and blast their way through the lower leagues but there are currently 195 leagues so the chances of them being in our specific league is not that high, certainly not high enough that I think we will see them on a regular basis.

[stl jason]

Originally Posted by Maddox

I put in $5 during beta but I also bought the game heavily discounted during a steam sale so I figured I could throw a little more the Devs way.



I still believe we need to be patient, that promotion and relegation will make that occurrence (getting blown out by whales) less and less likely. The problem is that in the 5 weeks or so for teams to settle into the league that is best fit for them that many will simply give up. That is a long time to wait to feel like you are finally in a competitive league.

It looks like my main team is under performing so badly that we will stay in the Gold league next week. All, or almost all whale teams will be promoted to diamond so Gold should be a little more competitive next week.

There will occasionally be whale teams who join late and blast their way through the lower leagues but there are currently 195 leagues so the chances of them being in our specific league is not that high, certainly not high enough that I think we will see them on a regular basis.

exactly... it's only the 3rd season... come Monday, another batch of teams will get pushed to the next level.... a bunch of those will be sub 500 teams who might take a beating in week 4...

my two f2p teams are sputtering along in the silver league (one hoping for points to buy more packs for player upgrades / the other saving points for some quality players to upgrade from the AH) and just hoping to avoid relegation... (though if that happens, at least they might put up a better fight next season ).

and like someone else mentioned in another thread, if you haven't used all 3 teams for your license, start up a new one now... most of the gung-ho whale types are already playing and up in the gold level, so you might find the competition in bronze more interesting right now

[Orcin]

I guess the thread about cookie cutter teams got thrown in this trash heap. Analyzing the meta must be considered a competitive balance discussion.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by Orcin

I guess the thread about cookie cutter teams got thrown in this trash heap. Analyzing the meta must be considered a competitive balance discussion.

Yes, it is!

[Zorro]

Guys, Just enjoy the game. OOTP is the same game. If you do not want to play PT don’t. If you want to spend money and can afford to do it then do it. Markus made PT a game of levels. That way players can play the way they want to. It is really unfair to complain about teams that are whales or whatever you call a team that wins to much. They will move on and you will be placed with teams of your own caliber. You do not need to buy PT but try not to discourage Markus and OOTP in trying to make some extra money. For years we have enjoyed hours and weeks and months of playing OOTP for 40 bucks. We can still do that. If some people want to play PT and spend money that is a good thing for this company we love. Complaining about good teams just seems like bad sportsmanship to me and also it kind of taints Markus who always has put out a pretty good game and now has a chance of making more money from it without charging more to us. That alone should make us happy. Let’s just play the game the way we want and congratulate the whales or the rich get richer on helping OOTP make more money and I have already seen the better response we are getting from the Mods. Look at the whole picture, This is a wonderful game for 40 bucks.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Zorro

It is really unfair to complain about teams that are whales or whatever you call a team that wins to much.

I agree, my friend. I believe the complaining stems from envy.

[NYY #23]

Originally Posted by Orcin

I agree, my friend. I believe the complaining stems from envy.

Yes I agree with you both. Have fun, and don't worry about things you can't control. Not everyone will be able to compete at the top level, nor should they have too.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by Orcin

I agree, my friend. I believe the complaining stems from envy.

Some times when people don't like something, all they want to is trash it. If you don't like it, don't play it. Some can't grasp that concept.

[Dunzie]

I have a gold team that I put a lot of time and effort into and now two silver teams that are in the same league this year, different conferences.

One of my silver teams on PAPER looks better... more golds, even a diamond... and despite this it underperforms pretty significantly. While both teams were sitting in wild card leads last night, the better one just got swept in a three game series by the worst team in the conference to drop out of the playoffs with a current 5 game skid. What's worse is the offense got shut down by 3 starting pitchers in the 50's and they beat three gold starters.

Sims are just that... anything can happen. Yes a team of stacked "whales" generally comes through by season's end, but it depends what you're expecting from the sims. I'm sure the owner of this 20-win team was pretty thrilled to see a sweep of a higher ranked playoff team and 50pp pitchers beating 80-90pp pitchers soundly... probably more so than a whale team sweeping a low ranked team. All perspective.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by BusterKing

the fun stops when you have teams with mostly perfect and diamond cards killing your team with ridiculous scores, but that's pay to win games for you

What did you think this game was about?

It's like complaining about a woman. What do you mean she has boobs?! I'm outraged!

[Kushiel]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

What did you think this game was about?

It's like complaining about a woman. What do you mean she has boobs?! I'm outraged!

ROFLMAO