2007 New York Yankees Thread - Page 33

toolboxnj · 05-19-2007, 09:28 PM

Yea, the Yanks for all their payroll seemed to forget you need a little bit of a bench to get through a 162 game season.

1998 Yankees · 05-19-2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by thomamon

So if the Yanks lose tomorrow, how strong will the talks of Torre's job being in jeopardy be come Monday morning? Or will he actually be gone?

You have to suspend logic and fairness concerning major league coaches and managers (look what happened to my man Jeff Van Gundy yesterday, for example). So, as much as I don't want to believe it (see toolboxnj's first sentence below), I don't think Joe is going to make it through this season. One thing that saves him for the time being: Clemens expressed desire to pitch for Torre again. Give that a few weeks; after that however, no improvement, no Joe, I think.

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You really can't fire Torre because he could only work with what is given him. Cashman should be on the hot seat, not Torre IMHO.

Yes. No.

thomamon · 05-19-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by toolboxnj

If you were listening to WFAN, half the callers were calling for Torre's firing, but half were defending him. You really can't fire Torre because he could only work with what is given him. Cashman should be on the hot seat, not Torre IMHO.

I love Torre, but the way he and Guidry manage their pitching staff is something to be desired. But honestly, that's nothing new. I've always felt that way.

Do I think Torre deserves to be fired for the way the Yankees have played? Hell no, it's not his fault we have all of these injuries and such.

However, when his contract is up at years end, whether the Yankees win or lose I think it is time for a change.

And considering it is only May 19th, this season is far from over. It's just a matter of time before the Yankees go on a streak and win 22 out of 25 games or something like that.

thomamon · 05-19-2007, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by toolboxnj

Yea, the Yanks for all their payroll seemed to forget you need a little bit of a bench to get through a 162 game season.

Bernie....

darthpb · 05-19-2007, 09:46 PM

I'm a Met/Red Sox fan who lives in Queens, NY so I talk about this stuff EVERY day but for the purposes of this post I will simply say," Life is good."

toolboxnj · 05-19-2007, 10:38 PM

It seems like there's alot of blame to go around with the Bernie situation. I don't think he'd be the answer to the Yankee problem right now.

thomamon · 05-19-2007, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by toolboxnj

It seems like there's alot of blame to go around with the Bernie situation. I don't think he'd be the answer to the Yankee problem right now.

Of course he's not the answer to all their problems, but he would be a bit of depth on the bench

chanman · 05-20-2007, 06:09 AM

I'm not a Yankees fan but I will be rooting for them tomorrow night. Clip is a friend from HS so I'm looking forward to watching this. Its going to be weird rooting a team that has made baseball unbearable for a small market fan like myself. But go Yanks! I mean go T-Clip!

Skipaway · 05-20-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

The "big name" players weren't really big names in 1998. Jeter, Pettitte & Rivera were in their 3rd years (with Rivera being a closer for the 2nd year) and Posada was just taking over from Girardi. That leaves Bernie and Cone being the big name players who were "proven" in '98.

Things simply look better with time. Chuck Knoblauch was a four time all star in 1998, Tino Martinez twice. Martinez and Knoblauch were obvious aquired in "typical" Yankees fashion, getting paid big too. The gamble on Strawberry could be considered typical Yankees too. Paul O'Neil was a four time all star . Orlando Hernandez? Typical Yankees signing overseas free agents by paying more than anyone else would, the same way they got Alfonso Soriano.

There was nothing really special about the 1998 Yankees.

robster1225 · 05-20-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

There was nothing really special about the 1998 Yankees.

Accept the fact they won 114 games, right?

thomamon · 05-20-2007, 02:44 PM

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Accept the fact they won 114 games, right?

... and dominating through the post season!

Luis_Rivera · 05-20-2007, 02:48 PM

The point wasn't that the team itself wasn't "special" in the sense that they weren't one of the greatest teams of all time. The point was that there was nothing really special or TOO different in the method they used to put the team together than they do now.

thomamon · 05-20-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

The point wasn't that the team itself wasn't "special" in the sense that they weren't one of the greatest teams of all time. The point was that there was nothing really special or TOO different in the method they used to put the team together than they do now.

Your right, it can be argued they WERE the greatest team of all time, not just one of them

Luis_Rivera · 05-20-2007, 03:07 PM

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Your right, it can be argued they WERE the greatest team of all time, not just one of them

I don't disagree.

1998 Yankees · 05-20-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by darthpb

I'm a Met/Red Sox fan who lives in Queens, NY so I talk about this stuff EVERY day but for the purposes of this post I will simply say," Life is good."

Enjoy yourself, for now. For I will simply say, "What goes around, comes around."

1998 Yankees · 05-20-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

There was nothing really special about the 1998 Yankees.

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Originally Posted by robster1225

Accept the fact they won 114 games, right?

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Originally Posted by thomamon

... and dominating through the post season!

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

The point wasn't that the team itself wasn't "special" in the sense that they weren't one of the greatest teams of all time. The point was that there was nothing really special or TOO different in the method they used to put the team together than they do now.

I think Luis interprets Skipaway correctly. I don't think any sane baseball fan can say the 1998 Yankees, who set the record for most wins in a major league year (125), were not a special team.

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Your right, it can be argued they WERE the greatest team of all time, not just one of them

Well, I think they are in the running, but I have my own doubts about them being the best Yankees team, let alone greatest team of all time. They domininated MLB in 1998 but who is to say how they would have done against teams from other years? I'm just happy to say that they are my FAVORITE Yankees team that I have seen (and I go back a ways) because of how they were put together and how they played as a team as well as their success that year.

darkhorse · 05-20-2007, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

There was nothing really special about the 1998 Yankees.

Well, aside from being perhaps the best team evah.

Edit: Read the later comments. Nevah mind.

thomamon · 05-20-2007, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

Well, aside from being perhaps the best team evah.

Edit: Read the later comments. Nevah mind.

GFTA!

robster1225 · 05-21-2007, 12:31 AM

This was a good win tonight. The main thing it accomplished was some momentum going into the Red Sox series. Our bats look lively, and had some good pitching.

Plus, you can't forget that we had another A-BOMB from ARod!

Tony M · 05-21-2007, 05:55 AM

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This was a good win tonight. The main thing it accomplished was some momentum going into the Red Sox series. Our bats look lively, and had some good pitching.

Plus, you can't forget that we had another A-BOMB from ARod!

I watched the first few innings on TV last night (but by the time it got to 02.30GMT+1 I was shattered). Clippard does have movement on his pitches - his curveball had some sink on it, but as the commentator said he needs to be consistent in where his foot goes down on the mound - it was all over the place.

Hopefully we'll come out of this series either 9.5 ahead or 11.5 ahead. 13.5 ahead would be great and would also mean we'd need one (or would it be two) win out of the last nine matchups to have the tiebreaker in our favour?

In a normal season, the Devil Rays would be cock-a-hoop at only being 1.5 back on the Yankees towards the end of May.

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toolboxnj Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 192	It seems like there's alot of blame to go around with the Bernie situation. I don't think he'd be the answer to the Yankee problem right now. __________________ Rutgers Business School - Class of 2007 - Go Rutgers!

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darthpb All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Queens, NY a mile from Shea Posts: 690	I'm a Met/Red Sox fan who lives in Queens, NY so I talk about this stuff EVERY day but for the purposes of this post I will simply say," Life is good."

05-20-2007, 06:09 AM	#648
chanman Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 172	I'm not a Yankees fan but I will be rooting for them tomorrow night. Clip is a friend from HS so I'm looking forward to watching this. Its going to be weird rooting a team that has made baseball unbearable for a small market fan like myself. But go Yanks! I mean go T-Clip!

05-20-2007, 02:48 PM	#652
Luis_Rivera Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,177	The point wasn't that the team itself wasn't "special" in the sense that they weren't one of the greatest teams of all time. The point was that there was nothing really special or TOO different in the method they used to put the team together than they do now.

05-21-2007, 12:31 AM	#659
robster1225 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,617	This was a good win tonight. The main thing it accomplished was some momentum going into the Red Sox series. Our bats look lively, and had some good pitching. Plus, you can't forget that we had another A-BOMB from ARod!