My take on the experienced GM threads

[Spindel]

Originally Posted by canadiancreed

wow I know I didnt' ask for THAT much in my apps

I always ask for Blood Type and Next of Kin.

[Karen Lutz]

Originally Posted by LeftyPower

Wow, some of you who think that GM's should submit nearly professional resumes for your league need to relax. These are supposed to be enjoyable leagues that people join to have....yep, fun.

If someone sends you an application that says, 'I'm interested in the Rockies. Let me know if they're available', what the hell is wrong with that? Why would someone waste their time writing a prolongued essay about their OOTP achievements and history if they aren't even sure that they'll get the opening???

Honestly, the few leagues that I've been in--it has been the more 'experienced and mature' GM's that end up leaving, while the newer or less 'professional' ones stay and enjoy their time.

Most of you seem to take this 'selection' process way too seriously.

Example:

Commisioner: Hey, can you believe this guy sent me an application with no references, and almost zero experience. All he did was say that he wanted to play in my league.

*laughter*

Commisioner: What an amateur. Everyone should know that you must clearly state your previous experience, hobbies, social interests, favorite color, exact time availability, names of previous partners and at least two complex Calculus problems with subsequent answers.

I will agree with one part, that you do not need to include a lot of information, because it is troublesome for some people, but it still nice to see the people who do take that time.

All I ever expect is a name and an AIM address so I can contact them and know what to call them when I do so. The emails that say 'I'm interested in the Rockies. Let me know if they're available' are really annoying, and I feel the same way about people who post on these forums looking for leagues and do not provide an AIM name. I believe almost 99% of leagues use AIM, it is required in most, why not provide it? That isn't asking too much.

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by Karen Lutz

I will agree with one part, that you do not need to include a lot of information, because it is troublesome for some people, but it still nice to see the people who do take that time.

All I ever expect is a name and an AIM address so I can contact them and know what to call them when I do so. The emails that say 'I'm interested in the Rockies. Let me know if they're available' are really annoying, and I feel the same way about people who post on these forums looking for leagues and do not provide an AIM name. I believe almost 99% of leagues use AIM, it is required in most, why not provide it? That isn't asking too much.

what if you don't have AIM, don't use AIM, and think it's a tool of the devil?

[Karen Lutz]

Originally Posted by canadiancreed

what if you don't have AIM, don't use AIM, and think it's a tool of the devil?

Well, since most leagues require it, I guess you are limiting your own options.

[f.montoya]

Personally, I don't think AIM is at all necessary. Most GM's in my league don't use it and our communication has been just fine. I guess there are some merits like getting a trade worked out in less time but I know that some are annoyed when they get contacted too often for almost nothing. It ends up making them leave it off altogether.

[IatricSB]

Originally Posted by Karen Lutz

I believe almost 99% of leagues use AIM, it is required in most, why not provide it? That isn't asking too much.

The five leagues I'm in must make up the 1% that doesn't use AIM. Come to think of it, I've only ever been in a couple that used AIM (and none that required it that I remember though one might have)

[jf7623]

You shouldn't judge people just because they choose not to use AIM or don't want it. Everyone should be given a chance to be in league. A league can survive without AIM.

[Karen Lutz]

Originally Posted by IatricSB

The five leagues I'm in must make up the 1% that doesn't use AIM. Come to think of it, I've only ever been in a couple that used AIM (and none that required it that I remember though one might have)

I only see one link in your sig, and that league has a section on the owners page which lists AIM names. They are not all present, but they are there, and therefore, they are used.

Originally Posted by jf7623

You shouldn't judge people just because they choose not to use AIM or don't want it. Everyone should be given a chance to be in league. A league can survive without AIM.

Call it a personal prefence. It is nice to have a means of communication that is quicker than PM or Email.

[canadiancreed]

you've never ran into a GM as obsessed as me then Nine times out fo ten you've got a reply to a PM within five mintues from sending it

[Karen Lutz]

Originally Posted by canadiancreed

you've never ran into a GM as obsessed as me then Nine times out fo ten you've got a reply to a PM within five mintues from sending it

Yes, I would agree, if I had 30 of you I too would never need AIM. Sadly, people like you are not a common thing.

EDIT - Here is a question out of sheer curiosity that I doubt anyone can answer, but it sure has baked my noodle a few times...

Why Aim? How did AIM become the most commonly used messenger for the OOTP community? Some game communities use msn, some Yahoo! Messenger, but why AIM? I honestly never would have had it if I never became a part of this community. It sure is baffling.

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by Karen Lutz

Yes, I would agree, if I had 30 of you I too would never need AIM. Sadly, people like you are not a common thing.

EDIT - Here is a question out of sheer curiosity that I doubt anyone can answer, but it sure has baked my noodle a few times...

Why Aim? How did AIM become the most commonly used messenger for the OOTP community? Some game communities use msn, some Yahoo! Messenger, but why AIM? I honestly never would have had it if I never became a part of this community. It sure is baffling.

nope, as I've been told I'm one of a kind....some would say thats' a good thing

[IatricSB]

Originally Posted by Karen Lutz

I only see one link in your sig, and that league has a section on the owners page which lists AIM names. They are not all present, but they are there, and therefore, they are used.

Yeah, two years ago we used AIM as a backup for simming the World Series live. We used a chat room most of the time, but once it gave us troubles so we used AIM for one season out of 30. I'd say that's far from "required" like you had mentioned, but it's not worth arguing over with someone that's never been in the league to know any better. But thanks for playing

EDIT - Posting the AIM names for the convenience of the owners is a far cry from saying the league requires AIM.

[Karen Lutz]

Originally Posted by IatricSB

Yeah, two years ago we used AIM as a backup for simming the World Series live. We used a chat room most of the time, but once it gave us troubles so we used AIM for one season out of 30. I'd say that's far from "required" like you had mentioned, but it's not worth arguing over with someone that's never been in the league to know any better. But thanks for playing

EDIT - Posting the AIM names for the convenience of the owners is a far cry from saying the league requires AIM.

Didn't say they were required in your league, I said they were used, since they were present. Good thing you could explain that without being condescending... oh, no, you couldn't.

I was making the point because you told me your leagues don't use it.

[RBLwebguy]

Wow, how did this thread resurface, I guess I am a troublemaker

[enuttage]

Originally Posted by Karen Lutz

Why Aim?

In my older High Heat leagues, ICQ was a popular means of communicating. For me though, AIM served this purpose better for the sole reason that I didn't constantly get trolling sex freaks trying to pick me up.

As far as this thread goes, I think my philosophy is much along the lines of LeftyPower.

I don't require much, if any, 'application' to our league. We've been running for a year-and-a-half, through five seasons, and AFAIK from sheer dumb luck we have the most wonderful collection of GMs I've been priviledged to work with.

Turnover is very low for a 32-team league.

As far as AIM as a requirement...I hate it, and rarely use it. But most of the GMs in the league besides me seem to get use out of it for trades and the like. I'm just too old and get too easily distracted to deal with it.

E-mail and PMs for me.



-E

[jf7623]

I agree about e-mail and AIM, sometimes people don't have time to do a trade on the spot, e-mail and PMs give the parties time and don't have to worry about responding immediately

[ozziethesaint]

Originally Posted by Karen Lutz

Why Aim? How did AIM become the most commonly used messenger for the OOTP community? Some game communities use msn, some Yahoo! Messenger, but why AIM? I honestly never would have had it if I never became a part of this community. It sure is baffling.

I couldn't agree more, AIM is so full of AOL's crap and I would prefer to use Yahoo or MSN since you have the option of controlling what they install. But as it turned out, I was in the minority on that opinion

[disposableheros]

i use trillian, so i guess i use them all (ICQ, AIM, Yahoo, MSN, and IRQ)

i have had many a trade done thru trillian AND many a trade thru email/PM. both work just as well for that.

i must say though, i have had much better conversations with fellow GMs thru trillian.

[IatricSB]

Originally Posted by Karen Lutz

Didn't say they were required in your league, I said they were used, since they were present. Good thing you could explain that without being condescending... oh, no, you couldn't.

I was making the point because you told me your leagues don't use it.

And we don't use it. That's the point. Once when we had an emergency and that was just between me and one other owner. The names are there for the convenience of those that choose to use it.

I see you still carry that chip the size of Texas on your shoulder.

[Matteo]

Originally Posted by IatricSB

And we don't use it. That's the point. Once when we had an emergency and that was just between me and one other owner. The names are there for the convenience of those that choose to use it.

I see you still carry that chip the size of Texas on your shoulder.

I agree that when they are posted they are not necessary used.