Saberosters Update 4/12/04

[Makakilo MooNs]

Oh, I wasn't afraid of the work I just didn't want to go to all of this trouble and submit something that someone else will come along and do better.

Anyway, someone assign me a team and I'll give it a shot.

Give me your oldest, tiredest huddled mass of a boring team and I'll do it. I am also a subscriber to BA so I won't be pulling all of the ranking completely out of my -- ahem -- ear.

[CareyScurry]

Let me know what teams/players are needed - I'll be glad to help as I can. Also, I didn't see arm slot (overhand/sidearm) or groundball percentage mentioned - would you like this info as well?

[jgross68]

Originally posted by SoxWin
http://www.rosterdevelopmentgroup.com

towards the bottom, apparently there's some stuff on the boards too but I haven't bothered to read them.

If anyone else cares or if you just can't get over your GForce obsession - from rosterdevelopmentgroup.com:

This year also brings the latest installment of Out of the Park Developments' baseball franchise. As for Out of the Park, I am not sure at this point. Many know there was a bit of a falling out between myself and some of the brass there for things not at all related to TotalMinors.

The all-time project will continue to be worked on, but since I have (now) been banned from the OOTP boards in the height of pettiness, that's a big reason I have gotten my own message board going to keep projects updated. It's sad really. A bunch of friends of the OOTP board's moderator, Steve Kuffrey, are developing a roster set for OOTP6 based largely off my methods. Coincidentally, those are the people who pushed Steve to ban me from the boards. And he obliged. [emphasis added -jg]

That second paragraph is priceless. I wasn't aware that Gregg had pioneered the mathematical construct of weighted averages, though if I'm remembering correctly, TotalMinors actually used only a simple three-year average.

I'm a bit troubled by the second half of that last paragraph, however. If this allegation is true, I can't believe I allowed myself to be duped into joining the gang of petty thugs that helped ban GForce when it was really all about grabbing the glory of being the "official" roster set developers. For shame, Mats and DRaven. For shame.

[Stud Cantrell]

Originally posted by jgross68
If anyone else cares or if you just can't get over your GForce obsession - from rosterdevelopmentgroup.com:


That second paragraph is priceless. I wasn't aware that Gregg had pioneered the mathematical construct of weighted averages, though if I'm remembering correctly, TotalMinors actually used only a simple three-year average.

I'm a bit troubled by the second half of that last paragraph, however. If this allegation is true, I can't believe I allowed myself to be duped into joining the gang of petty thugs that helped ban GForce when it was really all about grabbing the glory of being the "official" roster set developers. For shame, Mats and DRaven. For shame.

At the risk of exposing my tender Anus to withering flames, I will confess ignorance to the "backstory" here and express a sincere curiosity as to what the hell you're talking about.

It sounds interesting.

[jgross68]

Originally posted by Anus Wagner
At the risk of exposing my tender Anus to withering flames, I will confess ignorance to the "backstory" here and express a sincere curiosity as to what the hell you're talking about.

It sounds interesting.

It's not really, but it kept things, well, interesting around here for a while. Just do a search on GForce22's posts in Off-Topic around the end of September 2003 and then during his (brief) re-emergence a couple months back. It may lose something out of context, but you should get the general gist of how the whole sordid affair went down.
My bit about matskralc and draven085 being anything but good guys is strictly tongue-in-cheek, BTW.

[skkrrt]

Gforce used to make a roster set here....

he started posting in OT..... he was rather arrogant so a few guys would constantly bait him into flamewars.....he said some bad things (though there were some bad things said to him that seem to have been lost in history) and eventually he got banned...

he came back, nobody liked it, they started with him again and he lost his cool and was banned again.

[Makakilo MooNs]

sounds like you guys are a little bit too sensitive, but I don't care what kind of people build the rosters as long as they are good and they get built.

And trust me, this ISN'T a plea to be filled in on your soap opera.

[Mike D]

Originally posted by skkrrt
Gforce used to make a roster set here....

he started posting in OT..... he was rather arrogant so a few guys would constantly bait him into flamewars.....he said some bad things (though there were some bad things said to him that seem to have been lost in history) and eventually he got banned...

he came back, nobody liked it, they started with him again and he lost his cool and was banned again.

Ah, never let the truth get in the way of a good story. When GF came back he decided to continue his old ways and send out PM's claiming to own what someone could say, and that he controlled what that person could say. He was also banned from OT, yet he would go in there with the many alias' he used and continued to bait people. He made promises to a certain maker of a certain game that his asshattery would stop, yet it continued just because that is the asshat he was. So, he was banned. Came back again as an alias, started to mess with people again, and was banned again, and hasn't been back since. At least, I don't know all of his assumed names, so he might be rdklein for all I know. Anyone thinks I'm leaving anything out feel free to add, I just wanted to make sure that Gregg was painted in the correct light, and not something someone decided to paint instead.

[twins15]

Originally posted by Mike D
Ah, never let the truth get in the way of a good story. When GF came back he decided to continue his old ways and send out PM's claiming to own what someone could say, and that he controlled what that person could say. He was also banned from OT, yet he would go in there with the many alias' he used and continued to bait people. He made promises to a certain maker of a certain game that his asshattery would stop, yet it continued just because that is the asshat he was. So, he was banned. Came back again as an alias, started to mess with people again, and was banned again, and hasn't been back since. At least, I don't know all of his assumed names, so he might be rdklein for all I know. Anyone thinks I'm leaving anything out feel free to add, I just wanted to make sure that Gregg was painted in the correct light, and not something someone decided to paint instead.

Just to add on, he came back with anywhere from 5-10 aliases, which he used after he was banned. So he certainly wasn't disliked for no reason.

[draven085]

Originally posted by Makakilo MooNs
sounds like you guys are a little bit too sensitive

[The Dude]
You know he's got emotional problems, man. He's fragile!
[/The Dude]

[skkrrt]

Originally posted by Mike D
Ah, never let the truth get in the way of a good story. When GF came back he decided to continue his old ways and send out PM's claiming to own what someone could say, and that he controlled what that person could say. He was also banned from OT, yet he would go in there with the many alias' he used and continued to bait people. He made promises to a certain maker of a certain game that his asshattery would stop, yet it continued just because that is the asshat he was. So, he was banned. Came back again as an alias, started to mess with people again, and was banned again, and hasn't been back since. At least, I don't know all of his assumed names, so he might be rdklein for all I know. Anyone thinks I'm leaving anything out feel free to add, I just wanted to make sure that Gregg was painted in the correct light, and not something someone decided to paint instead.

Oh yea, I have a huge bias in this

I dont like the guy either, hes a complete jackass. But it takes 2 too argue and flame does it not? And the second it was announced he was comming back there were protests and ban Gforce avatars (even before he reappared in OT).

Dont let the truth get in the way of your own good stories.

All sides that participated are guilty in some way, Gforce just took it farther then the others did....and got banned like he should have.... but lets not forget Gforce isn't the first person to feel the wrath of the regulars in OT, nor will he be the last.

[Mike D]

Hmmm, i never said you were bias, but to say he was baited into flamefests is inaccurate. I recall many times when he was the one doing the baiting. And, as a part of his reinstating, he was not supposed to post in OT, but still did. And the wrath of the regulars in OT? That's laughable. As long as someone doesn't go trolling for trouble, there will be none found. Of course, I'm not referring to anyone in particular.

[matskralc]

Can we please get back to the roster talk?

[Mike D]

sure, when they are released

[skkrrt]

Originally posted by Mike D
Hmmm, i never said you were bias, but to say he was baited into flamefests is inaccurate. I recall many times when he was the one doing the baiting. And, as a part of his reinstating, he was not supposed to post in OT, but still did. And the wrath of the regulars in OT? That's laughable. As long as someone doesn't go trolling for trouble, there will be none found. Of course, I'm not referring to anyone in particular.

My last post on this.

He shoulda stayed out of OT obviously, but before his first post in "reinstatement" there were threads about him, thats indisputable and a cause of some trouble. Its a slap in the face.

The whole hatred of him in the first place is because certain members began flamming him in every post he would make, because of a few flame wars they would get in on other threads (they would follow him around and do it). He took it too far after that, was wrong, got banned.

The OT regulars have feathered and tarred a ton of guys, remember Fitter, as dumb as he was he didn't flame anyone over there untill they butted into his cheating (and just because your a cheater doesn't mean you deserve to be flammed). What about the guy (cant remember his SN) that they THOUGHT he might be fitter and began flamming him.

How many times have they gone too far amongst themselves and had people go away for a while.

That whole board over there has a rather tainted reputation out and about in online world (not that I overly care either way, just stating something)...its hardly an innocent and friendly group.

but back to rosters....

[CBLCardinals]

Good luck on your journey gentlemen!

I wish you the best!!

[RayofHope]

Just a suggestion, might be liked, might not be liked . . . but . . .

As far as figuring out what pitchers throw what with what velocity etc. - you might find this a little to much like plagarism - but what about using a game like MVP2004?

I own it and I'm pretty impressed in general.

[draven085]

Originally posted by skkrrt
My last post on this.

He shoulda stayed out of OT obviously, but before his first post in "reinstatement" there were threads about him, thats indisputable and a cause of some trouble. Its a slap in the face.

The whole hatred of him in the first place is because certain members began flamming him in every post he would make, because of a few flame wars they would get in on other threads (they would follow him around and do it). He took it too far after that, was wrong, got banned.

The OT regulars have feathered and tarred a ton of guys, remember Fitter, as dumb as he was he didn't flame anyone over there untill they butted into his cheating (and just because your a cheater doesn't mean you deserve to be flammed). What about the guy (cant remember his SN) that they THOUGHT he might be fitter and began flamming him.

How many times have they gone too far amongst themselves and had people go away for a while.

That whole board over there has a rather tainted reputation out and about in online world (not that I overly care either way, just stating something)...its hardly an innocent and friendly group.

but back to rosters....

Gforce displayed little to none of the basic humanity you'd expect from a person. He pushed the envelope of obnoxious and crossed into being downright cruel on many occassions. While it seems to be en vogue to blame one's own shortcomings on some sort of 'in crowd' in OT, the fact of the matter is that people who are decent and even midly amusing are, for the most part, welcomed with open arms. I myself was a relative n00b here just a year ago and apart from a few skirmishes with my main man LivnLegend (who btw accused me of being an alias!), I found people to be quite welcoming.

I find your attitudes interesting considering how just a few weeks ago you immaturely insulted me in a Talk Sports thread. Maybe whatever Carlton has is catching?

[draven085]

Originally posted by RayofHope
Just a suggestion, might be liked, might not be liked . . . but . . .

As far as figuring out what pitchers throw what with what velocity etc. - you might find this a little to much like plagarism - but what about using a game like MVP2004?

I own it and I'm pretty impressed in general.

I'd rather not use a game as flawed as MVP for anything. Any games that rates Derek Jeter as having 90 out of a possible 100 range obviously isn't dealing with the same MLB that I am

[jgross68]

Originally posted by Mike D
Hmmm, i never said you were bias, but to say he was baited into flamefests is inaccurate.

Well, there was that one time GFarce started in with him when all Gregg did was post an innocent thread about something his niece said to him. What's that you say? GFarce22 was actually one of GForce's aliases?! That changes everything!!!1 And it's more than a little weird in hindsight.

Back to the roster talk. I'm still working on the NL Central pitcher reports (pitch types, velo ratings, etc.) It was mentioned earlier, but I didn't see a response: Do you guys also want or need groundball/flyball ratios?