AL East 2004 - Page 3

mlyons · 02-16-2004, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by matskralc
I observed the sun today. Clearly, it moves around the earth.

What's that? You have mountains of evidence of a different observational method to disprove me? That's poppycock. How many times have YOU watched the sun move around the earth, huh???

You know, Copernicus didn't come up with his astronomical theories by sitting in a cave doing calculations -- he looked through his telescope at the sky to see what was going on. I'm trying to be reasonable and civil here. We have a difference of opinion. You're not going to convince me you're right by attempting to insult my intelligence, and it's fairly clear I'm not going to convince you I'm right by any means, either.

cshigh · 02-17-2004, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by mlyons
You know, Copernicus didn't come up with his astronomical theories by sitting in a cave doing calculations -- he looked through his telescope at the sky to see what was going on. I'm trying to be reasonable and civil here. We have a difference of opinion. You're not going to convince me you're right by attempting to insult my intelligence, and it's fairly clear I'm not going to convince you I'm right by any means, either.

What team did he play for?

mlyons · 07-14-2004, 08:38 PM

bump for midseason comparison

clutch · 10-22-2004, 10:02 AM

Looks like anyone who said it was stupid to have A-rod at third was right. Though they did get past the Red Sox to win the east, it was obvious that if they had a better defense, maybe they could have gotten past the Sox to win the World Series. Maybe moving the Best SS in the game to short would have helped.

mlyons · 10-22-2004, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by clutch

Looks like anyone who said it was stupid to have A-rod at third was right. Though they did get past the Red Sox to win the east, it was obvious that if they had a better defense, maybe they could have gotten past the Sox to win the World Series. Maybe moving the Best SS in the game to short would have helped.

If you think the left side of the infield was the Yankees' problem in the regular season or in the ALCS, you were watching a different team than I was. Rodriguez, Jeter, and the Olerud/Clark combo were the only halfway decent defenders on the team. Cairo was atrocious, Matsui was atrocious, Williams was awful, Sheffield's shoulder was obviously hampering his fielding, and Posada had his usual problems blocking pitches. Meanwhile, Rodriguez played a pretty good third base, and Jeter played the best shortstop of his career. All in all, I would say moving Rodriguez to third was one of the few truly successful moves the Yankees made this season.

canadiancreed · 10-22-2004, 08:25 PM

All I have to say is what the hell happened?! How did we finish behidn the ^&*(^*( Devil Rays?! Damn brain dead GM, ever since Pat Gillick left we've been going downhill

crackpott · 10-22-2004, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

All I have to say is what the hell happened?! How did we finish behidn the ^&*(^*( Devil Rays?! Damn brain dead GM, ever since Pat Gillick left we've been going downhill

Ricciardi can't be faulted for a lot of the problems this year. But still, yes, my opinion of him has downgraded over time. His trading Phelps, how he's handling Delgado, and some other minor issues have been my beefs this year.

Karros270 · 10-22-2004, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by clutch

Looks like anyone who said it was stupid to have A-rod at third was right. Though they did get past the Red Sox to win the east, it was obvious that if they had a better defense, maybe they could have gotten past the Sox to win the World Series. Maybe moving the Best SS in the game to short would have helped.

Someone around here posted that Jeter's defense was actually statistically above average this year and that only him and A-Rod could make that claim on that team. I'd imagine the logical conclusion is that SS wasn't their problem this year.

Anachronism · 10-22-2004, 09:07 PM

That was me Karros... and Jeter was actually just below average in terms of zone range and range factor (15th and 18th respectively out of the 29 starting shortstops with more than 50 games at short).

Here's the link:
http://ootpdevelopments.com/board/sh...290#post887290

And Mylons... I thought Matsui played well in Left. No, his range is weak... but I don't remember watching him or hearing about him misplaying many balls. In fact, I remember hearing that he was one of the few outfielders who actually hit the proper cut off man each play.

Jeter, on the other hand, I saw muffle quite a few plays at short.... some were called "hits," but a better shortstop would have had them.

Jeter's worth is in his ability as an offensive shortstop... defensively he is okay... the few runs he will cost you he will more than make up with the bat.

mlyons · 10-22-2004, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Anachronism

And Mylons... I thought Matsui played well in Left. No, his range is weak... but I don't remember watching him or hearing about him misplaying many balls. In fact, I remember hearing that he was one of the few outfielders who actually hit the proper cut off man each play.

Matsui's a smart fielder, and doesn't misplay very many balls, but he has very limited range, and lets a lot of balls drop. He has an accurate arm, but it's very weak. I was probably overstating the case with "atrocious", but I think he certainly is a below-average left-fielder. It wouldn't be so bad if Williams weren't a shadow of his former self in center, but at this point anything hit to left center is going to drop with those two in the field.

Anachronism · 10-22-2004, 11:51 PM

Yes... on that we both agree. If the Yankees can sign a center fielder with some range they'll be better off.... I wonder if there is a good young center fielder with a solid bat and good range out there

mlyons · 10-23-2004, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Anachronism

Yes... on that we both agree. If the Yankees can sign a center fielder with some range they'll be better off.... I wonder if there is a good young center fielder with a solid bat and good range out there

I don't know, but, frankly, I'm not all that impressed by the defense of the one I'm pretty sure you're thinking of.

tim_uwrf · 10-23-2004, 01:09 PM

I was right. I picked the Yankees.

El Cid · 10-23-2004, 11:34 PM

Aren't half of the Sawx due for FA?

El Cid · 10-23-2004, 11:35 PM

lol

I responded to a 2004 poll!

Eckstein 4 Prez · 10-24-2004, 01:21 AM

So... was I right or wrong in picking the Yankees?

twins15 · 10-24-2004, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by El Cid

lol

I responded to a 2004 poll!

lol omg brb

mlyons · 10-24-2004, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Eckstein 4 Prez

So... was I right or wrong in picking the Yankees?

Since they were the AL East winners, you were right. People who picked the Braves to win the NL East in 2003 were right, weren't they?

View Poll Results: Who will win the AL East in 2004?
Baltimore Orioles	1	1.39%
Boston Red Sox	37	51.39%
New York Yankees	26	36.11%
Tampa Bay Devil Rays	2	2.78%
Toronto Blue Jays	6	8.33%
Voters: 72. You may not vote on this poll

07-14-2004, 08:38 PM	#43
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clutch Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Valley of Nod Posts: 248	Looks like anyone who said it was stupid to have A-rod at third was right. Though they did get past the Red Sox to win the east, it was obvious that if they had a better defense, maybe they could have gotten past the Sox to win the World Series. Maybe moving the Best SS in the game to short would have helped. __________________ Favorite: Baseball Team: Philadelphia Phillies Football Team: Miami Dolphins Race Car Driver: Dale Earnhardt Jr. Last edited by clutch; 10-22-2004 at 10:03 AM.

10-22-2004, 08:25 PM	#46
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	All I have to say is what the hell happened?! How did we finish behidn the ^&(^( Devil Rays?! Damn brain dead GM, ever since Pat Gillick left we've been going downhill __________________ PT21 PT22

10-22-2004, 09:07 PM	#49
Anachronism All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Great White North Posts: 945	That was me Karros... and Jeter was actually just below average in terms of zone range and range factor (15th and 18th respectively out of the 29 starting shortstops with more than 50 games at short). Here's the link: http://ootpdevelopments.com/board/sh...290#post887290 And Mylons... I thought Matsui played well in Left. No, his range is weak... but I don't remember watching him or hearing about him misplaying many balls. In fact, I remember hearing that he was one of the few outfielders who actually hit the proper cut off man each play. Jeter, on the other hand, I saw muffle quite a few plays at short.... some were called "hits," but a better shortstop would have had them. Jeter's worth is in his ability as an offensive shortstop... defensively he is okay... the few runs he will cost you he will more than make up with the bat. __________________ "Ruth did it on Beer and Hotdogs..." Last edited by Anachronism; 10-22-2004 at 09:12 PM.

10-22-2004, 11:51 PM	#51
Anachronism All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Great White North Posts: 945	Yes... on that we both agree. If the Yankees can sign a center fielder with some range they'll be better off.... I wonder if there is a good young center fielder with a solid bat and good range out there __________________ "Ruth did it on Beer and Hotdogs..."

10-23-2004, 01:09 PM	#53
tim_uwrf Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Field of Dreams Posts: 1,998	I was right. I picked the Yankees.

10-23-2004, 11:34 PM	#54
El Cid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 30	Aren't half of the Sawx due for FA?

10-23-2004, 11:35 PM	#55
El Cid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 30	lol I responded to a 2004 poll!

10-24-2004, 01:21 AM	#56
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	So... was I right or wrong in picking the Yankees? __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.