2024 NFL Season thread

[monkeyman576]

Being pulled over is not a "stressfull situation" you are legally obligated to cooperate. Hill has a history of legal issues and battering women so if he was aware of that I don't blame the officer one iota. This is a completely different situation than Scottie Sheffler who had no legal history.

[kq76]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Being pulled over is not a "stressfull situation" you are legally obligated to cooperate. Hill has a history of legal issues and battering women so if he was aware of that I don't blame the officer one iota.

Maybe not to you, but it clearly is for many black people in the US. And to me too and I'm white guy in Canada.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

If he was speeding, being a football player doesn't give you a right to not get a speeding ticket or be a jerk to police officers.

Is there a law against being a jerk to police? Hill at no point was trying to get out of a ticket. In fact, he was emphasizing to the officer to go ahead and write it because he was in a hurry.

If the police officers remain composed, the discourse today would be much different.

If the initial officer goes to write the ticket after getting the license, or gives Hill a chance to respond after the "roll the window down or we will make you get out" ultimatum, or if the 3rd officer actually gives him a chance to get out on his own...those were all moments the officers had a chance to prevent escalation and they took the more aggressive option each time.

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by kq76

Maybe not to you, but it clearly is for many black people in the US. And to me too and I'm white guy in Canada.

HIll is lucky to still be in football with his rap sheet to be honest.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by kq76

Wouldn't behave what way? I didn't hear him be belligerent to the officer or anything. Maybe he was, but I didn't hear it. I certainly don't think the officer who violently yanked him out of his car could have heard that if I couldn't. Yeah, he rolled his window up, but I could see myself doing that in that situation too. We don't always do what's smart when we're in stressful situations. Sometimes we do really stupid things without first thinking what we're doing. I certainly have. The only other thing I saw him do was he was clearly talking to his agent, Drew Rosenhaus (he says, "Drew"), and pro players are told to call designated people when they're in dangerous situations like this. I don't think talking to someone on the phone while the police are stopping you should qualify as being an ass. Whatever. We clearly see this situation in completely different ways.

I am honestly puzzled. Listen to it again with the volume up. The cops were wrong but he behaved the way he did regardless.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

HIll is lucky to still be in football with his rap sheet to be honest.

How is any of that relevant to this situation or discussion in any way?

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by Rain King

How is any of that relevant to this situation or discussion in any way?

Because if ihe was in jail this wouldn't have happened. And for him to make fun of the police with his post touchdown celebration is very disrespectful of the women and children he has battered. I have no sympathy for him. He's another athlete that thinks he's above the law.

[mytreds]

Originally Posted by Rain King

Is there a law against being a jerk to police?.

No, but-

“You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.”

Neither condoning nor condemning either parties. Just responding to your query.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Because if ihe was in jail this wouldn't have happened. And for him to make fun of the police with his post touchdown celebration is very disrespectful of the women and children he has battered.

I don't see how that was "making fun of the police"...nor, again, how it has any relevance to what actually happened during the traffic stop.

[Amazin69]

"In a court of law" ≠ "nearly getting beat down on the street", though. One is procedure, the other is not.

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by Rain King

I don't see how that was "making fun of the police"...nor, again, how it has any relevance to what actually happened during the traffic stop.

He was clearly mocking his traffic stop situation in his post touchdown celebration.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by mytreds

No, but-

“You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.”

Neither condoning nor condemning either parties. Just responding to your query.

Sure...but he was given a citation for speeding and lack of a seat belt. So, apparently it was determined that he didn't do or say anything illegal "after" he was stopped. Seems odd, then, that the officers needed to physically pull him from the vehicle, stick a knee in his back, and then later again forcibly pull him to the ground from behind.

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by Rain King

Sure...but he was given a citation for speeding and lack of a seat belt. So, apparently it was determined that he didn't do or say anything illegal "after" he was stopped. Seems odd, then, that the officers needed to physically pull him from the vehicle, stick a knee in his back, and then later again forcibly pull him to the ground from behind.

Not if they knew he had a history of violent confrontation with others.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

He was clearly mocking his traffic stop situation in his post touchdown celebration.

Mocking (i.e. "making fun of someone or something in a cruel way") seems like an odd description of that IMO.

He was referencing it, sure, but to say it was "mocking" to me is only possible if you first apply some biases about how you already feel about him.

[kq76]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I am honestly puzzled. Listen to it again with the volume up. The cops were wrong but he behaved the way he did regardless.

I put my good headphones on and turned them up as loud as possible, just as you asked. I'm pretty sure I hear the word "go" (maybe "I gotta go"?) and I think I hear the words, "do what you gotta do". I also think I hear him repeating the word "window" like he's telling the officer ahead of time that he's going to put it back up. I don't think there's anything wrong with any of that. Granted, my hearing has always kind of sucked, but it sounds exactly like what I've heard people say they've been told to say. And frankly, it also sounds like what I would hope I'd say, something like, "I understand. Do what you have to do". Luckily, I've never been stopped by the police for a ticket before (and I used to speed far too often, frankly), but I was hassled by police a few times for being out at night as a youth. I was even brought in for questioning once when some kid accused me of assaulting him, which of course I hadn't. Even back then though, I knew, don't argue with the police, just get out of the situation as soon as possible. And "do what you gotta do" is trying to get out of the situation as fast as possible.

[monkeyman576]

I'm amazed at people who are apologists for a woman and childl beater.

[kq76]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

I'm amazed at people who are apologists for a woman and childl beater.

I'm amazed at how okay some people are with some people treating other people like we shouldn't even treat animals.

His alleged history has no bearing on this. If they were arresting him for assaulting someone, okay fine, rough him up a bit. But it was a damn speeding ticket that could have escalated in his death. Do you think they were thinking, "oh, damn, there goes Tyreek Hill, I heard he assaulted his wife and child, let's go rip him out of his car, throw him to the ground, put our knee in his back, put him in handcuffs, and maybe re-injure him or worse. Yeah, that'll teach him a lesson! Maybe we can even get on tv and become famous, guys!" Get real.

[CONN CHRIS]

Originally Posted by kq76

I put my good headphones on and turned them up as loud as possible, just as you asked. I'm pretty sure I hear the word "go" (maybe "I gotta go"?) and I think I hear the words, "do what you gotta do". I also think I hear him repeating the word "window" like he's telling the officer ahead of time that he's going to put it back up. I don't think there's anything wrong with any of that. Granted, my hearing has always kind of sucked, but it sounds exactly like what I've heard people say they've been told to say. And frankly, it also sounds like what I would hope I'd say, something like, "I understand. Do what you have to do". Luckily, I've never been stopped by the police for a ticket before (and I used to speed far too often, frankly), but I was hassled by police a few times for being out at night as a youth. I was even brought in for questioning once when some kid accused me of assaulting him, which of course I hadn't. Even back then though, I knew, don't argue with the police, just get out of the situation as soon as possible. And "do what you gotta do" is trying to get out of the situation as fast as possible.

Truly, I am perplexed here. Talking over the officer about not knocking on his window. Also, it doesn't matter that he wanted to put his window up, the officer asked more than a few times to leave it down. It was dismissive, disrespectful, and belligerent behavior throughout to my eyes and ears.


All that said, the officers involved here escalated inappropriately, and used force way out of line with the situation presented and I hope they will be dealt with. They turned a traffic stop into a freak show within a matter of seconds.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Being pulled over is not a "stressfull situation" you are legally obligated to cooperate.

Lol. I'm sure your feelings "pales" in comparison to others.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

Because if ihe was in jail this wouldn't have happened. And for him to make fun of the police with his post touchdown celebration is very disrespectful of the women and children he has battered. I have no sympathy for him. He's another athlete that thinks he's above the law.