OJ Simpson is Dead

[JerryShoe]

Which is why I wrote "but in the civil plain old did-he-or-didn't-he trial, they said he did" although I didn't follow that trial so can't form an opinion about its fairness, as Pilight brings up. As much as I am certain that he did the deeds, the criminal trial verdict was reasonable given the case presented to them.

[pilight]

A criminal trial asks the jury "do you know what happened?" A civil trial asks the jury "what do you think happened?"

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Yeah, one thing that seems to be forgotten now is how much OJ was liked by white people. He was never, like, an Allen Iverson type. He always had a front facing presence that was non combative and fun and he got a lot of gigs doing commercial and TV color commentary because inoffensive former superstars was what the public wanted at the time.

Of course, the trial changed all of that, but I also remember people at the time being like “now, I’m not saying OJ is innocent but this wouldn’t be the first time the LAPD manufactured evidence.” I do think the defense, who by and large were pretty bad too (except for Barry Scheck, who did an incredible job as the DNA expert lawyer for that team), did prove reasonable doubt by obfuscation and making the focus on Fuhrman. I also think he did it but that’s not the bar we have in our legal system.

[monkeyman576]

As much as he may or may not be guilty the fact is that trials shouldn't be judged in the court of the public.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

As much as he may or may not be guilty the fact is that trials shouldn't be judged in the court of the public.

It wasn't. If it was, OJ never would have made it to 76.

[monkeyman576]

People think it should be though.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

People think it should be though.

And people are stupid. If there is one thing being on the internet has taught me it's that @ least 2/3 of the planet has completely lost their ever frikkin' minds. Love & empathy for neighbor has gone completely out the window. The world is a chessboard and the majority only know how to play checkers. They can't see how branch that convicted a FL man for DUI this week despite video of planted evidence is rooted in the same tree as the branch that allowed OJ to get off scot free for murder: Dishonest police officers working hand in hand w/prosecutors & judges interested in guilty verdicts, not justice.

[monkeyman576]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

And people are stupid. If there is one thing being on the internet has taught me it's that @ least 2/3 of the planet has completely lost their ever frikkin' minds. Love & empathy for neighbor has gone completely out the window. The world is a chessboard and the majority only know how to play checkers. They can't see how branch that convicted a FL man for DUI this week despite video of planted evidence is rooted in the same tree as the branch that allowed OJ to get off scot free for murder: Dishonest police officers working hand in hand w/prosecutors & judges interested in guilty verdicts, not justice.

I'm not saying there aren't any dishonest judges or police officers but there are a lot of good ones too.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

And people are stupid. If there is one thing being on the internet has taught me it's that @ least 2/3 of the planet has completely lost their ever frikkin' minds. Love & empathy for neighbor has gone completely out the window. The world is a chessboard and the majority only know how to play checkers. They can't see how branch that convicted a FL man for DUI this week despite video of planted evidence is rooted in the same tree as the branch that allowed OJ to get off scot free for murder: Dishonest police officers working hand in hand w/prosecutors & judges interested in guilty verdicts, not justice.

I more often than not support the police. But some of the questions they ask are with the intent to arrest depending on how you answer.

I've had dozens of interactions with police and 57 points on my license by the age of 24. I have no problem stepping out and doing the dance to show I'm not drunk. What I have a problem with is answering stupid questions. If there is something illegal going on, or in my car, you're going to have to find it yourself. The answer is always going to be no.

I've been fortunate that I've never run into a malicious officer. They've always gone by the book.

True story you might find bizarre. Me and a few friends used to drink and listen to music in this one parking lot that had only one entrance. You could see any cop coming from a distance. If a patrol car comes up, just put the beer down. The laws in this state require police to see the alcohol in your hand. If a can of beer is next to you, you can deny it's yours. What we did was stupid. But the cops never did anything they shouldn't have done.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

I'm not saying there aren't any dishonest judges or police officers but there are a lot of good ones too.

Of course there are a lot of good ones. They're not the problem. It only takes a small percentage. For example, what are the % of people that steal catalytic converters? Yet it is a huge problem.

[Amazin69]

Was this case the first time the ridiculous "civil suit" was used to get around double-jeopardy? I find it darkly hilarious that so many "law and order" types who can't understand how O.J. was acquitted ("them [n-words] all stick together" being pretty much the only explanation they will allow, despite the 3 non-black jurors) and who revel in Fred Goldman's Revenge are yet (IMO justly) infuriated by the E. Jean Carroll case and the magically-totally-deserted floor at Bergdorf Goodman's.

I guess "civil suit" revenge against the unpopular defendant is only bad if it's YOUR unpopular defendant, eh? It's all about whom the lynch mob is stringing up, I guess.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

Was this case the first time the ridiculous "civil suit" was used to get around double-jeopardy? I find it darkly hilarious that so many "law and order" types who can't understand how O.J. was acquitted ("them [n-words] all stick together" being pretty much the only explanation they will allow, despite the 3 non-black jurors) and who revel in Fred Goldman's Revenge are yet (IMO justly) infuriated by the E. Jean Carroll case and the magically-totally-deserted floor at Bergdorf Goodman's.

I guess "civil suit" revenge against the unpopular defendant is only bad if it's YOUR unpopular defendant, eh? It's all about whom the lynch mob is stringing up, I guess.

When the pictures of OJ showed up with him wearing the Bruno Magli loafers..you know, the EXACT shoes (and size 12D) found at the murder scene, WITH the shoes creating the imprint in the blood of the victims, that pretty much sealed the deal on who done it.

The civil trial was a formality. OF COURSE Simpson was responsible. He cut his hand, badly. He removed the interior dome light on his Bronco, so he could drive away more easily. He threw out his bloody clothes immediately outside the airport terminal, and was seen doing it. EVERYTHING pointed to him. The DNA evidence, as well.

No rational human can have even the remotest doubt that OJ Simpson was guilty of murder. Was it murder one, premeditated? I don't think so. Probably a crime of passion, or murder two. Still. People DIED because OJ Simpson took a knife and murdered them.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by monkeyman576

I'm not saying there aren't any dishonest judges or police officers but there are a lot of good ones too.

Never denied that. But here's the thing..........everyday we see police officers who break the law. Fabricate evidence, violate rights, go against department policies, express racist feelings, resort to violence too quickly, escalate situations. From the DA's office you see them support those actions & hide evidence. These incidents are proven & videotaped or recorded. To the point that victims are being released from prison & awarded millions of our tax payer dollars.

And yet, know what you don't see.........................?

Prosecutors & officers arrested or fired. Not in most cases. Don't we think fabricating & withholding evidence should be a case of automatic termination?

Police unions jump in to defend their officers whether they are guilty or not. I can think of only a handful of cases where lawyers or judges have lost their license. Most of the times when rulings are overturned, we are never told who the offending police or DA's were. They could be retired or still on the job.

This is the equivalent of having an infection of Angel Hernandez's giving the "justice" system a persistent chronic cough. We know the problem exists. We know where it lies. But we refuse to do anything about it. We just let the phlegm flow like wine.

That is what saddens me. Doesn't surprise me. But it definitely saddens me. We get cases of Rodney King, OJ Simpson & instead of reform, we get more cases of Daniel Shaver, Tyre Nichols, Kelly Thomas, Breonna Taylor, of this, or that. Society just twiddles their thumbs and acts like they are immune to this crooked system can't come for them one day.

I don't want the good honest judges, DA's, & officers to have their occupations dirtied by the sadistic, malignant personalities that have infiltrated their profession. If we justice in the country, then bring justice to the justice system. Stop focusing on the public that manipulate it. And bring focus to the buttholes that tarnish it.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I more often than not support the police. But some of the questions they ask are with the intent to arrest depending on how you answer.

There is a famous (and old) video on YouTube which states clearly that under no circumstances should you ever talk to the police about anything without your lawyer present.

The video is a lecture by a law professor and former criminal defense lawyer who illustrates via the law and real-world case examples why you should not talk to the police. His view is then backed up in the second half of the lecture by a police officer and criminal investigator who advises the same thing.

Here is the video. It's well worth a watch: Don't Talk to the Police.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Amazin69

Was this case the first time the ridiculous "civil suit" was used to get around double-jeopardy?

It doesn't get around anything because civil cases can only deprive you of money; your freedom is never at stake. Criminal cases in contrast can deprive you of your liberty, and for a long time.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Never denied that. But here's the thing..........everyday we see police officers who break the law. Fabricate evidence, violate rights, go against department policies, express racist feelings, resort to violence too quickly, escalate situations. From the DA's office you see them support those actions & hide evidence. These incidents are proven & videotaped or recorded. To the point that victims are being released from prison & awarded millions of our tax payer dollars.

And yet, know what you don't see.........................?

Prosecutors & officers arrested or fired. Not in most cases. Don't we think fabricating & withholding evidence should be a case of automatic termination?

Police unions jump in to defend their officers whether they are guilty or not. I can think of only a handful of cases where lawyers or judges have lost their license. Most of the times when rulings are overturned, we are never told who the offending police or DA's were. They could be retired or still on the job.

This is the equivalent of having an infection of Angel Hernandez's giving the "justice" system a persistent chronic cough. We know the problem exists. We know where it lies. But we refuse to do anything about it. We just let the phlegm flow like wine.

That is what saddens me. Doesn't surprise me. But it definitely saddens me. We get cases of Rodney King, OJ Simpson & instead of reform, we get more cases of Daniel Shaver, Tyre Nichols, Kelly Thomas, Breonna Taylor, of this, or that. Society just twiddles their thumbs and acts like they are immune to this crooked system can't come for them one day.

I don't want the good honest judges, DA's, & officers to have their occupations dirtied by the sadistic, malignant personalities that have infiltrated their profession. If we justice in the country, then bring justice to the justice system. Stop focusing on the public that manipulate it. And bring focus to the buttholes that tarnish it.

Yeah, we’re turning this into politics now but this is the exact reason why there are a certain couple mantras that go around. The real issue to me with the OJ case isn’t that some shady evidence collection by known bad actors saw the light of day and resulted in a person who almost certainly committed the crime getting off scot free, it’s how many cases exist where Mark Fuhrmans monkey with the evidence and nobody notices at all because of the lack of intense, months long media scrutiny. At best, someone gets caught years later and hundreds of convictions get vacated. At worst, innocents go to prison, guilty people go only because someone fudged the evidence, and more guilty people stay free because a few bad cops got tunnel vision and stuck to the first person they found and decided was guilty of the crime.

Like, I even like good cops. My dad almost became one (laughably, because we owned a German Shepherd in Seattle in the 1970s and that alone was enough for a job offer… yeah, that’s how small of a town it was back in the day) and he and I both read just an absolute crap-ton of detective novels and police procedurals back in the day. I want to see justice delivered and I wish more people got to have the relationship with the police that so many people I know have had. But one Mark Fuhrman really can destroy a whole batch and too often the reaction to these guys is to cover things up and at most let them go, where the lack of accountability allows them to sign up to a smaller police department (this literally happened last month in Thurston County in Washington state; fortunately I guess for the residents of that county the cop in question’s acts had been well publicized and so the county rescinded their offer once word got out).

[BaseballMan]

Its not easy when heroes die.
I grew up in OJ's heyday.
When the murders happened i wanted to believe OJ was innocent.
But over the years as i looked more into the case i became convinced that he was overwhelmingly guilty.
I'm sure there are murderers convicted with far less
evidence than the OJ case.

I do find it strange that in almost 30 years there has been no one else named as a prime suspect.
Other than some tv conspiracy fantasy about his son being the murderer.
Theres been no evidence i can recall seriously linking someone to the murders other than OJ.

I can accept that the prosecution was incompetent but not that the whole department was in on it.
I can accept that Furman could have planted evidence but there was a mountain of evidence supporting OJ's guilt.
All these people started supporting Furhman at a moment's notice?
Are we to beleive that the whole department and everyone else involved except for defense were out to get OJ?
Whats more likely that all these people framed OJ or that OJ was still enamoured with Nicole and maybe was set off when he saw talking with Goldman?

Maybe someday it may be found that another person committed the murders.
I doubt it but i wouldn't mind seeing OJ returned to grace from a fallen hero.
I just don't see it happening and once i became convinced of OJ's guilt, he truly died to me.

I think of OJ as 2 different people. The good guy hero person i last saw before super bowl 30. The monster after he was arrested.
After that i decided to remember the OJ before the murders and all sympathy after the murders would be for Nicole and Ron.

[monkeyman576]

Yeah, he is probably guilty. Probably a monster and one of the biggest falls from grace in modern times. I just wish the prosecution hadn't screwed up so there isn't a voice in my head wondering if the system hadn't worked against them because there are so many people that are wrongfully convicted of crimes.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Unfortunately plenty of idiots.
If a jury is stupid and biased enough to declare him not guilty then I know there are those who will defend him.
They seem to think hat the not guilty verdict means he was innocent.

The verdict wasn't for OJ. It was against corrupt cops and inept experts.

[Celtic Forever]

The Juice has expired