2023 NFL Off season News

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by pilight

The "more reliable" Watson has played fewer games than Jackson despite being two years older.

There's no obvious reason to rank Justin Herbert ahead of either of them.

I agree that only a handful of teams need a QB enough to consider making a move for Jackson.

Yeah but come on, Watson missed time because he (allegedly) SA’d women at massage parlors, nothing football related! See??? SA’ing people is a positive! Jalen Carter should have SA’d those people he raced cars against and killed! That’s called non football issues!

[thehef]

Originally Posted by pilight

The "more reliable" Watson has played fewer games than Jackson despite being two years older.

Not sure who said more "reliable" but my contention was that Watson was more "durable." But if we want to co-mingle the two, it's probably a reasonable assumption to think that Watson - due to his "issues" - is less-likely to miss future time than it is to think that Lamar - whose missed the stretch run of two consecutive seasons due to injury - might.

Originally Posted by pilight

There's no obvious reason to rank Justin Herbert ahead of either of them.

I guess that's debatable. I'd rank Herbert in the top 5 or 6 QB's. I wouldn't rank Watson or Jackson that high... Statistically, the three could pretty much be lumped together. Herbert, being younger and with just three years experience probably has more upside, whereas the other two probably are more of the "they are who they are" variety. A good comp IMO is Burrow, who has the same experience and very similar numbers. And I don't think there's any doubt that Burrow is among the top 5 QB's in the league, and certainly a notch better than Watson & Jackson... But if somebody wanted to rank Watson, Jackson & Herbert as pretty much equal, I wouldn't think that was insane, tho I'm still taking Herbert without question.

Originally Posted by pilight

I agree that only a handful of teams need a QB enough to consider making a move for Jackson.

Yup. It's just that the idea of having to give up Watson-like money - that really should only go to a Mahomes or an Allen - plus two #1's for a 2nd-tier-at-best & injury-prone QB reduces that handful of teams to... well, I guess we'll see if any will consider that.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by thehef

3. There probably aren't many teams that would rank either Watson or Jackson in the Top Ten of the league's QB's. I mean neither of them is cracking the list of Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, Lawrence, Rodgers, Hurts...

I agree with your post overall, I just want to nitpick this section. One of those QBs are not like the others. Hurts is just a slightly younger version of Jackson. The exact same skillset. They are literally interchangeable. Hurts has the talent around him that Jackson had in 2019.

Although both are very talented, neither are pocket passers. They rely on a really strong run game for their success. While pocket passers benefit from a strong run game, it's not absolutely necessary. Both Lamar and Jalen struggle when they have to throw into coverage.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by thehef

Yup. It's just that the idea of having to give up Watson-like money - that really should only go to a Mahomes or an Allen - plus two #1's for a 2nd-tier-at-best & injury-prone QB reduces that handful of teams to... well, I guess we'll see if any will consider that.

If you look at the moves a lot of these teams do, it's with profit in mind, not winning a championship. Why would Green Bay give Rodgers a 3 year 150M dollar contract and trade their best WR Adams? They're not rebuilding, that move had nothing to do with winning. Everything to do with fans in the stands.

Arizona gave Murray a big contract and now are looking to jettison Hopkins. They could be rebuilding. But the idea behind the moves are clear. Pay the QB, who cares about the rest.

[Syd Thrift]

Watson struggles when he has to go a whole offseason without SAing someone.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I agree with your post overall, I just want to nitpick this section. One of those QBs are not like the others. Hurts is just a slightly younger version of Jackson. The exact same skillset. They are literally interchangeable. Hurts has the talent around him that Jackson had in 2019.

Fair enough. I was probably mixing "Top Ten" a bit with "teams happy with their QB's." I suppose I'd give the edge to Hurts based upon Jackson's injury history and Hurts' abilitiy to avoid needless drama so far. And although it's most definitely a team sport, 14-1 and a Super Bowl appearance last year vs Jackson having yet to reach an AFC championship game is going to resonate with some who might be doing rankings. But sure, I don't really quibble with your nit... other than where I just did?

Originally Posted by Ragnar

While pocket passers benefit from a strong run game, it's not absolutely necessary.

Going back "a few" years , Dans Marino and Fouts would be pretty good examples of that!

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by thehef

Fair enough. I was probably mixing "Top Ten" a bit with "teams happy with their QB's." I suppose I'd give the edge to Hurts based upon Jackson's injury history and Hurts' abilitiy to avoid needless drama so far. And although it's most definitely a team sport, 14-1 and a Super Bowl appearance last year vs Jackson having yet to reach an AFC championship game is going to resonate with some who might be doing rankings. But sure, I don't really quibble with your nit... other than where I just did?

With everything being equal, that would make sense. But we know that isn't the case. Totally different seasons, teams, and opponents. Last year's Eagles probably had the easiest path to the SB of any team in history. And don't forget, the Ravens were 14-2 in 2019. The difference being they ran into a team in the playoffs that made the stops. Forcing Jackson to pass into coverage. Hurts ran into no such wall.

Out of the two right now, Hurts does seem to have less wear and tear. Both can beat you through the air if you sell out against the run.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

With everything being equal, that would make sense. But we know that isn't the case. Totally different seasons, teams, and opponents. Last year's Eagles probably had the easiest path to the SB of any team in history. And don't forget, the Ravens were 14-2 in 2019. The difference being they ran into a team in the playoffs that made the stops. Forcing Jackson to pass into coverage. Hurts ran into no such wall.

Out of the two right now, Hurts does seem to have less wear and tear. Both can beat you through the air if you sell out against the run.

All valid points. From the splitting hairs department though, by the time Jackson takes his next snap, at least three whole NFL seasons will have taken place since that 14-2 season. In that time Jackson has missed the key part of the season twice in a row due to injuries, whereas Hurts a) took a team to within a minute of a championship just this past season, and b) has potential to improve (I don't think there's any consensus that Jackson is going to get better; IOW he's in his prime whereas Hurts probably hasn't reached his just yet).

That all said, it's by no means out of the realm of possibility that Hurts has seen his best year, where everything both in his control and out of it came together ('cept the last minute of the Super Bowl), and he'll be an average-at-best starter for a few years and then grab a baseball cap and clipboard; whereas Jackson may land in an ideal scenario, be injury- and drama-free, and thrive for several seasons.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by thehef

All valid points. From the splitting hairs department though, by the time Jackson takes his next snap, at least three whole NFL seasons will have taken place since that 14-2 season. In that time Jackson has missed the key part of the season twice in a row due to injuries, whereas Hurts a) took a team to within a minute of a championship just this past season, and b) has potential to improve (I don't think there's any consensus that Jackson is going to get better; IOW he's in his prime whereas Hurts probably hasn't reached his just yet).

That all said, it's by no means out of the realm of possibility that Hurts has seen his best year, where everything both in his control and out of it came together ('cept the last minute of the Super Bowl), and he'll be an average-at-best starter for a few years and then grab a baseball cap and clipboard; whereas Jackson may land in an ideal scenario, be injury- and drama-free, and thrive for several seasons.

No argument from me here. But like with any of these running QBs, it's a risk. They don't have a long shelf life. QBs like Hurts, Jackson, Fields, Lance, all can have great success given the right gameplan. The RPO. I'd even add Daniel Jones to that list if they chose to use him that way.

As soon as the Bears started doing that, they started scoring a lot more. The problem with the RPO heavy gameplan is that you need good wideouts for when defenses sell out to stop the run. Right now Jalen Hurts has that along with a good TE.

[Cobra Mgr]

Ex-Cards' exec levels charges against owner

I'm sure Roger Goodell will be a stern, fair, unbiased judge who will look to make sure all parties are treated justly and that any wrongdoing will be met w/warranted penalties.

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Ex-Cards' exec levels charges against owner

I'm sure Roger Goodell will be a stern, fair, unbiased judge who will look to make sure all parties are treated justly and that any wrongdoing will be met w/warranted penalties.

What I want to know is, what the hell is “extreme DUI?”

I looked it up, and I was not disappointed.

https://www.edwardspetersen.com/crim...s/extreme-dui/

[Syd Thrift]

I love that they have a “super extreme” level as well.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

What I want to know is, what the hell is “extreme DUI?”

I looked it up, and I was not disappointed.

https://www.edwardspetersen.com/crim...s/extreme-dui/

I was laughing when I read that. But remember, the legal limit was .10 for the longest time. I highly doubt .15 is extreme. But hey, they got to make money.

Super extreme should be epic drunk. When the officer tells you to step out of the car, you say, if I could walk, I wouldn't be driving. Then stumble out. I don't know what bac level that would be.

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I was laughing when I read that. But remember, the legal limit was .10 for the longest time. I highly doubt .15 is extreme. But hey, they got to make money.

Super extreme should be epic drunk. When the officer tells you to step out of the car, you say, if I could walk, I wouldn't be driving. Then stumble out. I don't know what bac level that would be.

Everyone has different tolerances. But .15 is pretty drunk. Like slurring your words and being unsteady on your feet.
.20 would be close to alcohol poisoning for most people.

[dsvitak]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I was laughing when I read that. But remember, the legal limit was .10 for the longest time. I highly doubt .15 is extreme. But hey, they got to make money.

Super extreme should be epic drunk. When the officer tells you to step out of the car, you say, if I could walk, I wouldn't be driving. Then stumble out. I don't know what bac level that would be.

I have likely been .15 just once in my entire life. That's a LOT of alcohol.

[pilight]

.15 was the legal limit when I started driving.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

Everyone has different tolerances. But .15 is pretty drunk. Like slurring your words and being unsteady on your feet.
.20 would be close to alcohol poisoning for most people.

I'm being honest with you right now. Not proud of it. But if I was .15 and talking to you, you wouldn't know it. It's one of the reasons I've never got a DUI or DWI.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by dsvitak

I have likely been .15 just once in my entire life. That's a LOT of alcohol.

Sorry buddy, it's really not. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a dick here. Just telling the truth. Being .15 for people that don't normally drink is very high. But for people that consume alcohol on a regular basis, it's just getting started. I could be .15 and still hit 70% of my free throws.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Sorry buddy, it's really not. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a dick here. Just telling the truth. Being .15 for people that don't normally drink is very high. But for people that consume alcohol on a regular basis, it's just getting started. I could be .15 and still hit 70% of my free throws.

What you said reminded me of this episode of WKRP.

[rudel.dietrich]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I'm being honest with you right now. Not proud of it. But if I was .15 and talking to you, you wouldn't know it. It's one of the reasons I've never got a DUI or DWI.

Not saying you have a problem. But I battled substance abuse issues years ago. I did drink but never had a high tolerance. My issues were more with abusing pills and opiates.

It got to the point where I could down quantities that would kill most people and I needed that amount just to feel them.

I thought I hid it well until I went to a family function and thought I was acting 100% normal.
Talked with people and held conversations, played with the kids in the family.

Later that evening I got an angry call from my mother who told me how disappointed she was in me and that I felt like I needed pills to get through a family outing
I didn’t deny it, but I was embarrassed and told her I was glad only she noticed.
She said after I left everyone was talking about it. Everyone had noticed I was high as a kite.

That along with some other stuff that was going on in my life at that point was my rock bottom and I entered rehab shortly after.


I am not saying you are at that point. Just telling you a bit of a personal story.
You do build up tolerances. But you should still never drive or fly or do anything dangerous if you are under the influence of anything.

That is one aspect of society that we have gotten a lot better about.
When I was in secondary school it was shifting from bragging about driving drunk to now if you even so much as mention it, people will drag you over the coals. And rightfully so
With smartphones, we have even more options now to get back home if we are out and have a drink.