Defense!

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Rain King

Well, I think that all goes into the weeds away from what is happening here though.

These aren't situations where guys aren't skilled enough to play a position, it is situations where they have low ratings completely because they do not have any experience at the position.

I do not think that the game, for example, should decide that Derek Jeter cannot play 2B simply because he does not have enough experience. Derek Jeter can obviously become a competent 2B given the opportunity.

Sure. Guys should be able to move rightward on the defensive spectrum. If a team thinks it’s going to need to move a guy like that off their main position they should have the wherewithal to retrain them in spring training. That’s a completely different animal than saying that Derek Jeter ought to be moved to 2B in spite of no experience on July 1 to fill a hole.

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Sure. Guys should be able to move rightward on the defensive spectrum. If a team thinks it’s going to need to move a guy like that off their main position they should have the wherewithal to retrain them in spring training. That’s a completely different animal than saying that Derek Jeter ought to be moved to 2B in spite of no experience on July 1 to fill a hole.

We are also talking Historical here where there isn't typically a Spring Training.

I totally get what you are saying, but the AI kind of has their hands tied in the situations this thread has brought up as far as other ways to get these players experience and I'd rather have them go ahead and place the player at the alternate position (assuming they have the skills to play it well and it makes sense based on team construction) and not worry so much about whether they have experience there yet.

[The Game]

Originally Posted by David Watts

That's what I'm using.

I use entire career, which is good and bad. Hank Aaron & Tim Raines have 2b ratings but they generally dont play there.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by Rain King

We are also talking Historical here where there isn't typically a Spring Training.

I totally get what you are saying, but the AI kind of has their hands tied in the situations this thread has brought up as far as other ways to get these players experience and I'd rather have them go ahead and place the player at the alternate position (assuming they have the skills to play it well and it makes sense based on team construction) and not worry so much about whether they have experience there yet.

Still would love to know what happen to guys when recalc gets run? Say the AI plays Jeter at 2B all season, does he lose whatever he's built the minute recalc runs and real life sets in?

[Rain King]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Still would love to know what happen to guys when recalc gets run? Say the AI plays Jeter at 2B all season, does he lose whatever he's built the minute recalc runs and real life sets in?

My guess would be yes, but I can't say for sure.

[BMW]

Originally Posted by The Game

I use entire career, which is good and bad. Hank Aaron & Tim Raines have 2b ratings but they generally dont play there.

During the 80s and 90s with my C64, I remember a game - I think it was The Sporting News Baseball. Because Willie Mays played 4 innings at shortstop in his career, you could start him there during your games. Not even sure that there was any quality differentiation. You could play the position, or you couldn't. So Willie Mays who fielded just as well as Ozzie Smith. Good times with AI.

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Sure. Guys should be able to move rightward on the defensive spectrum. If a team thinks it’s going to need to move a guy like that off their main position they should have the wherewithal to retrain them in spring training. That’s a completely different animal than saying that Derek Jeter ought to be moved to 2B in spite of no experience on July 1 to fill a hole.

I love training guys during the Spring. It's one of the very few ways you can tangibly affect your player development in OOTP. There are so many ingredients in the development "stew" of random-personality-playing time-proper minor league levels, it's hard to tell that your decisions are really having an effect.

It's frankly a bit overpowered though. When I was doing it in older versions (dunno if it's changed), there was just no downside to taking a SS, forcing him to play 2B every game during the spring, then shifting him back to SS. Since there is effectively no "cost", I would do that with every starting big leaguer on my team. Always paid to have the versatility. One would have to think there is a cost in the real world, otherwise this would be common. Jeter playing 2B in the spring, Rickey Henderson playing RF, etc.

Sorry if this digresses a little from the current thread, but I thought it was cromulent to the concept of "Defense!"

[David Watts]

116 games in using real stats and the problem is solved. Might be the same source, but real stats works for me. Happy camper.