Beware of Cheating Owners - Page 3

Eckstein 4 Prez · 02-22-2003, 01:58 PM

Dude - I'm all for people getting a chance at redemption, but if I were you I'd start up a new name and see if I could get into a "less-established" league. Build yourself a reputation from the bottom.

I mean, I'd certainly think twice before letting you into a league if I were a commish. People do get kind of involved in these leagues, and cheating obviously wrecks their integrity. That said, if you truly are repentant and are looking for another chance, I do think it's fair that you should get one at some point. However, you'd better be prepared for some heavy scrutiny of whatever moves you make.

Anyway - it's just my 2 cents. Do with it what you will.

vtbub · 02-22-2003, 03:32 PM

Ditto

kb1hkv@arrl.net

messenjah · 02-22-2003, 03:33 PM

Thank you, I agree. I know I screwed up and that people should be cautious of me and my trades, I would too if I were commish, but making fun of me and sending me nasty emails isn't fair if I screwed up once.

messenjah · 02-22-2003, 03:38 PM

Oh and by the way, if I were going to create a league, I definately wouldn't own a team because I think that it is not right to be a commish and own a team at the same time, plus I don't have enough time to do both. I wanted to create a league for just me to be commish, nothing else.

JML · 02-22-2003, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by messenjah
Thank you, I agree. I know I screwed up and that people should be cautious of me and my trades, I would too if I were commish, but making fun of me and sending me nasty emails isn't fair if I screwed up once.

Well, I think the making fun was warranted (maybe not the emails.. that's kind of an invasion of privacy imho. Then again, you decided to make your email addy available in your profile). I'm all for cheaters being exposed to the fullest, and the wisecracks make it an entertaining read.

BUT, you have admitted your fault. When I saw that you actually replied here, I was amazed. I've NEVER seen an accused cheater come back and admit it. That takes guts. If I were running a league, I would be extremely suspicious of you, but now that you have fessed up, I would definitely give you a chance. I wouldn't completely rule out joining a league you were running either.

It's refreshing to see someone be honest and admit their error. Well done.

messenjah · 02-22-2003, 09:20 PM

Thank you. I know that I should be kept an eye on. I wouldn't trust me either, but that doesn't mean that I should be banned from leagues because of a past mistake. Thank you for being able to see that.

messenjah · 02-22-2003, 09:23 PM

Oh by the way, I'll put my own emails on here for anyone who wants to make sure that I don't cheat again. My screen names that I usually go by are "Messenjah" and "psycho1jau". My emails are messenjah@kiwibox.com, psycho1jau@hotmail.com, baseballfanatic123@yahoo.com, and skater181@kiwibox.com (actually this is my brother but I tried to use it once.) If you wanted to see them posted. Oh and if anyone uses Kiwibox, it is probably me too.

OCBLcommish · 02-22-2003, 10:03 PM

I'd also like to see a list of these owners. OilCanBoydOOTP@yahoo.com

Eckstein 4 Prez · 02-22-2003, 10:10 PM

Nice work for facing the music. If I was commish of a league, and if that league had an opening, I'd give you a shot just for taking the shots and hanging in there.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 02-22-2003, 11:09 PM

Plus, I do have to say - it doesn't seem like you'd last too long as a cheater. That posting under the wrong handle was an astonishingly non-skilled move.

sixto · 02-23-2003, 12:10 AM

The question that I would have thought would have been inevitable yet hasn't been asked yet is, Why did you do it?

messenjah · 02-23-2003, 12:16 AM

Well, my brother said that he wanted to join and I thought he really wanted to play. Than he started cheating and I started to help him. I thought it would be funny and I didn't think it would mean that much. I should have just told him to stop it. I guess I was just messing around and being stupid.

sixto · 02-23-2003, 01:07 AM

Interesting. You should definitely kick your brother's ass.

Good luck finding a league to take you in. I hope that you find one and prove yourself worthy of belonging in one.

kq76 · 02-23-2003, 02:28 AM

Do you have to be a commish to be added to the list?

asamford · 02-23-2003, 03:22 AM

good of you to stand up and admit what you've done and ask for a second chance.

most cheaters just lie and deny.

good luck in your next league.

PSA · 02-23-2003, 04:34 PM

Another cheater the community should keep an eye out for:

"Jeff McDonald"

emails: MCDONALDHANEY @ aol.com ... jeffncyn @ localnet.com ....

AIMS: MCDONALDHANEY ... jmac41571 ....

And who knows what other names and emails and AIMS. This classy fellow ran numerous teams last season in the soon-to-be-defunct FDBL ( http://www.fdbl.ootp-leagues.com/ ). The Astros, Rockies, Mariners, Marlins and probably a few others were all under his charge at one time or another.

People who would do this kind of thing do not deserve a second chance. You guys are a little too forgiving of Messenjah. If it even enters your mind to be a cheating jack-ass in the first place, then you'll probably always be a cheating jack-ass. Or at least a jack-ass. Either way, we don't want you in our leagues.

Draft Dodger · 02-23-2003, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by JML
BUT, you have admitted your fault. When I saw that you actually replied here, I was amazed. I've NEVER seen an accused cheater come back and admit it.

not true.

our most infamous cheater, HornsManiac, admitted it.

JML · 02-23-2003, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Draft Dodger
not true.

our most infamous cheater, HornsManiac, admitted it.

Actually, DD, I remember reading his admission (I think it was on the FOFC board). Then, in a thread here, I mentioned how surprised I was that he fessed up, to which he responded "I was kidding! I never cheated!"

That's the last thing I remember about our most infamous cheater. Maybe something else transpired since then...

JML · 02-23-2003, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PSA

People who would do this kind of thing do not deserve a second chance. You guys are a little too forgiving of Messenjah. If it even enters your mind to be a cheating jack-ass in the first place, then you'll probably always be a cheating jack-ass. Or at least a jack-ass. Either way, we don't want you in our leagues.

I don't know about that. I believe that people are capable of bettering themselves... especially when they have the humility to admit that they have done wrong.

holyroller · 02-23-2003, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JML
Actually, DD, I remember reading his admission (I think it was on the FOFC board). Then, in a thread here, I mentioned how surprised I was that he fessed up, to which he responded "I was kidding! I never cheated!"

That's the last thing I remember about our most infamous cheater. Maybe something else transpired since then...

Nope, nothing new or different. He said, ok, I admit it, I cheated. Then he said he just admitted it because everyone thought that he did it anyway. Then later he said he did it again and then he said that he didn't do it and so on and so forth. All a part of his continuing mission to get attention.

02-22-2003, 01:58 PM	#41
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	Dude - I'm all for people getting a chance at redemption, but if I were you I'd start up a new name and see if I could get into a "less-established" league. Build yourself a reputation from the bottom. I mean, I'd certainly think twice before letting you into a league if I were a commish. People do get kind of involved in these leagues, and cheating obviously wrecks their integrity. That said, if you truly are repentant and are looking for another chance, I do think it's fair that you should get one at some point. However, you'd better be prepared for some heavy scrutiny of whatever moves you make. Anyway - it's just my 2 cents. Do with it what you will. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

02-22-2003, 10:03 PM	#48
OCBLcommish Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 193	I'd also like to see a list of these owners. OilCanBoydOOTP@yahoo.com __________________ EBM - Boston Red Sox

02-22-2003, 10:10 PM	#49
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	Nice work for facing the music. If I was commish of a league, and if that league had an opening, I'd give you a shot just for taking the shots and hanging in there. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

02-22-2003, 11:09 PM	#50
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	Plus, I do have to say - it doesn't seem like you'd last too long as a cheater. That posting under the wrong handle was an astonishingly non-skilled move. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

02-23-2003, 02:28 AM	#54
kq76 Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 12,041	Do you have to be a commish to be added to the list? __________________ My OOTP Wishlist \| My FAQ List OOTP Wiki \| Your Recommended Team Nicknames, By City (A Crowdsourced Project) For Beta/Devs: Full screen (1920x1080)

02-22-2003, 03:32 PM	#42
vtbub Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Burlington, VT Posts: 143	Ditto kb1hkv@arrl.net

02-22-2003, 03:33 PM	#43
messenjah All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 565	Thank you, I agree. I know I screwed up and that people should be cautious of me and my trades, I would too if I were commish, but making fun of me and sending me nasty emails isn't fair if I screwed up once.

02-22-2003, 03:38 PM	#44
messenjah All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 565	Oh and by the way, if I were going to create a league, I definately wouldn't own a team because I think that it is not right to be a commish and own a team at the same time, plus I don't have enough time to do both. I wanted to create a league for just me to be commish, nothing else.

02-22-2003, 09:20 PM	#46
messenjah All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 565	Thank you. I know that I should be kept an eye on. I wouldn't trust me either, but that doesn't mean that I should be banned from leagues because of a past mistake. Thank you for being able to see that.

02-22-2003, 09:23 PM	#47
messenjah All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 565	Oh by the way, I'll put my own emails on here for anyone who wants to make sure that I don't cheat again. My screen names that I usually go by are "Messenjah" and "psycho1jau". My emails are messenjah@kiwibox.com, psycho1jau@hotmail.com, baseballfanatic123@yahoo.com, and skater181@kiwibox.com (actually this is my brother but I tried to use it once.) If you wanted to see them posted. Oh and if anyone uses Kiwibox, it is probably me too.

02-23-2003, 12:10 AM	#51
sixto Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,271	The question that I would have thought would have been inevitable yet hasn't been asked yet is, Why did you do it?

02-23-2003, 12:16 AM	#52
messenjah All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 565	Well, my brother said that he wanted to join and I thought he really wanted to play. Than he started cheating and I started to help him. I thought it would be funny and I didn't think it would mean that much. I should have just told him to stop it. I guess I was just messing around and being stupid.

02-23-2003, 01:07 AM	#53
sixto Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,271	Interesting. You should definitely kick your brother's ass. Good luck finding a league to take you in. I hope that you find one and prove yourself worthy of belonging in one.

02-23-2003, 03:22 AM	#55
asamford Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Snellville, Georgia Posts: 1,769	good of you to stand up and admit what you've done and ask for a second chance. most cheaters just lie and deny. good luck in your next league.

02-23-2003, 04:34 PM	#56
PSA Bat Boy Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 4	Another cheater the community should keep an eye out for: "Jeff McDonald" emails: MCDONALDHANEY @ aol.com ... jeffncyn @ localnet.com .... AIMS: MCDONALDHANEY ... jmac41571 .... And who knows what other names and emails and AIMS. This classy fellow ran numerous teams last season in the soon-to-be-defunct FDBL ( http://www.fdbl.ootp-leagues.com/ ). The Astros, Rockies, Mariners, Marlins and probably a few others were all under his charge at one time or another. People who would do this kind of thing do not deserve a second chance. You guys are a little too forgiving of Messenjah. If it even enters your mind to be a cheating jack-ass in the first place, then you'll probably always be a cheating jack-ass. Or at least a jack-ass. Either way, we don't want you in our leagues.