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Old 09-29-2013, 05:31 AM   #41
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If you were going to choose a team why would you pick a team that has been losing and shows no signs of improving? Thats just stupid to ask someone to to pick losing team because to prove they are a true fan. Theres no way to know when fans chose their teams and if they stayed when the team was losing. If a team keeps losing and a fan feels in their heart they have lost faith in that team why should the fan have to keep rooting for a team they no longer support? That would be like forcing you to stay with a spouse you no longer love. Now if someone switched to the super bowl winner every year then i could agree with you.
Said by all bandwagon fans. If I were not a fan of my teams I would have chosen the Cardinals for baseball, for their rich history and the fact I have been to about a dozen Cardinal games since 1987. Cardinal fans also despise the Cubs which helps. Cardinals also had some lean years 1988 - 1996.
I would be a Steelers fan as Pittsburgh is the closest city I have been to that is like Chicago. They have been my distant 2nd favorite team since losing $500 in the Super Bowl vs the Cowboys. Also have had lean years after that SB.
Hockey, well while I am a Blackhawks fan I am not as diehard as MLB & NFL.
NBA, I am liking the NBA less and less with each passing season but if I had to choose a team it would probably be ?? Can't come up with any team.
I am not a bandwagon fan, I despise people who starting to cheer for a team when it was good to great. The 3 teams I keep mentioning have the most fans because they always win and have had the fewest lean years.

Rag & Man which teams do you cheer for, why and around about where are you from?
Commish you went to one game in 1975, how many times have you been back?
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Old 09-29-2013, 11:05 AM   #42
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Said by all bandwagon fans. If I were not a fan of my teams I would have chosen the Cardinals for baseball, for their rich history and the fact I have been to about a dozen Cardinal games since 1987. Cardinal fans also despise the Cubs which helps. Cardinals also had some lean years 1988 - 1996.
I would be a Steelers fan as Pittsburgh is the closest city I have been to that is like Chicago. They have been my distant 2nd favorite team since losing $500 in the Super Bowl vs the Cowboys. Also have had lean years after that SB.
Hockey, well while I am a Blackhawks fan I am not as diehard as MLB & NFL.
NBA, I am liking the NBA less and less with each passing season but if I had to choose a team it would probably be ?? Can't come up with any team.
I am not a bandwagon fan, I despise people who starting to cheer for a team when it was good to great. The 3 teams I keep mentioning have the most fans because they always win and have had the fewest lean years.

Rag & Man which teams do you cheer for, why and around about where are you from?
Commish you went to one game in 1975, how many times have you been back?
First of all i take offense at being categorized as a bandwagon fan. I choose to like a team for my own personal reasons. Not to prove to you or anyone i am a true fan. I started to like the raiders as a kid in the 70's. I have seen good and bad times. But i would not hold it against someone if they started to like them when they were good. Nor would i expect them to get a lot of a new fans when theyve been a trainwreck for the last 10 years. Thats just stupid to ask fans to cheer a lousy product. If Spielberg put out three movie flops in a row you would be less inclined to see the next one. Where you live should not force you to cheer for a team. Because i live in Boulder, Colorado but it will be a cold day in hell before i cheer for the broncos unless it affects the raiders playoff chances.

I learned long ago to cheer for my team and let people cheer for their teams. Whether they change teams or not isnt gonna affect the teams i cheer for or my faith in those teams.
My brother liked the Oilers cause my family was from Texas and most liked the cowboys. He became a bronco fan after he moved to Colorado and the Oilers moved. I dont hold it aginst him cause he didnt want to become a Titans fan but i do hold it against him that he became a bronco fan.
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Old 09-29-2013, 01:37 PM   #43
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I have seen a # of bandwagon fans give up on the Lakers this past season and start to root for other teams. They will come back in droves when they start winning. Same thing with the Romo led Cowboys, over the past several years you Cowboy fans have been relatively quiet. When they get back to the NFC Championship and Super Bowl, i will start hearing about some guy in Oregon who claims to have been a fan of them when they were 1-15. He won't mention the fact that over the last several years he has been also cheering for Seattle.
My father got me into sports at a really young age. In fact, I was too young to even understand what was going on. I think had there been New Jersey teams, I would have gravitated towards them. But I didn't care about any state near me anymore than states across the country, so I gravitated to teams with "stars" on their uniforms. Cowboys, Bullets, Northstars. I liked the Mets/Yankees but only because I was unaware of the Astros existence.

Oh and, about the Cowboys bandwagon fans. They are not alone. Before the Patriots got good back around 2001, you could have spent a month canvasing my state 24/7 and you would not have found a single Patriots fan. But that still doesn't mean they are bandwagon fans. Success breeds fans. Now whether or not they stick with their team is another story.
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Funny how the only 3 fans out of hundreds on this forum who are responding are what many would call bandwagon fans. Sports are not movies. You don't live your existence around a movie. I know many fans who cheer for a bad team and while I despise them for doing so (vs cheering for the better team) they are extremely loyal. Cubs fans. They do have not jumped on any bandwagon. Red Sox fans, The few remaining Pirates fans before 2 years ago. While the Raiders have sucked for the last 13 yrs or so they were once among the leagues best, which is why instead of choosing a good team in your city that you can actually see on TV, go to games you chose to jump on the bandwagon of a west coast team that was good if not great.

Rag too bad your teams dont have stars on them now. So you are a Wizards fan? Then you changed allegiance from Minnesota to Dallas?
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I am not a bandwagon fan, I despise people who starting to cheer for a team when it was good to great. The 3 teams I keep mentioning have the most fans because they always win and have had the fewest lean years.
So I was wrong as an 11 year old immigrant to become a Cardinal fan in 1966 because I heard the games on KMOX?
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Funny how the only 3 fans out of hundreds on this forum who are responding are what many would call bandwagon fans. Sports are not movies. You don't live your existence around a movie. I know many fans who cheer for a bad team and while I despise them for doing so (vs cheering for the better team) they are extremely loyal. Cubs fans. They do have not jumped on any bandwagon. Red Sox fans, The few remaining Pirates fans before 2 years ago. While the Raiders have sucked for the last 13 yrs or so they were once among the leagues best, which is why instead of choosing a good team in your city that you can actually see on TV, go to games you chose to jump on the bandwagon of a west coast team that was good if not great.

Rag too bad your teams dont have stars on them now. So you are a Wizards fan? Then you changed allegiance from Minnesota to Dallas?
Who do you think you are to call me a bandwagon fan? I dont usually get angry here but your full of it to think you can judge why someone likes a team. I started liking the raiders as a kid before i even knew how good they were. We didnt get that much coverage of other teams back then it was mostly cowboys. I wasnt a big fan of basketball till i read an article on Patrick Ewing when he was at Georgetown. When he went to the Knicks i became a knicks fan.
But the hell with you if you want sit there and judge what team people can root for. Im not gonna choose a team because its close to where i live or because its not a winning team. Nobody has to answer to you.
There are people who have been fans of teams longer then you or i have been alive and if they want to change teams thats their personal choice.
Get off your damn high chair. Just because you may not like t that winning teams get more fans doesnt give you the right to judge what teams other can cheer for.
Just because someone doesnt go to every game doesnt make them any less loyal. Do you think i have the money to fly to California from Colorado for every Raider game or to New York for every Knicks game.
When you accuse me of not being a true fan of my team the raiders i get pissed. Ill take a lot of crap and smack talk over the raiders organization the last 10 years but i will not put up with anyone questioning my loyalty to the raiders.
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So I was wrong as an 11 year old immigrant to become a Cardinal fan in 1966 because I heard the games on KMOX?
Did you have a team closer to you? Carinals radio stations stretch from Central IL to western Arkansas to northern Texas to South Dakota
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Who do you think you are to call me a bandwagon fan? I dont usually get angry here but your full of it to think you can judge why someone likes a team. I started liking the raiders as a kid before i even knew how good they were. We didnt get that much coverage of other teams back then it was mostly cowboys. I wasnt a big fan of basketball till i read an article on Patrick Ewing when he was at Georgetown. When he went to the Knicks i became a knicks fan.
But the hell with you if you want sit there and judge what team people can root for. Im not gonna choose a team because its close to where i live or because its not a winning team. Nobody has to answer to you.
There are people who have been fans of teams longer then you or i have been alive and if they want to change teams thats their personal choice.
Get off your damn high chair. Just because you may not like t that winning teams get more fans doesnt give you the right to judge what teams other can cheer for.
Just because someone doesnt go to every game doesnt make them any less loyal. Do you think i have the money to fly to California from Colorado for every Raider game or to New York for every Knicks game.
When you accuse me of not being a true fan of my team the raiders i get pissed. Ill take a lot of crap and smack talk over the raiders organization the last 10 years but i will not put up with anyone questioning my loyalty to the raiders.
I wasn't questioning your loyalty to the Raiders but you became a fan of theirs only because they ere good and the Broncos were terrible. This is why Sacramento has no Kings fans and 73% of all people from northern California are Lakers fans vs Kings or Warriors fans. Gave up on the team closet to you and jumped on a bandwagon. So you were not a Knicks fan prior to Patrick Ewing? Well I can't exactly call you a bandwagon fan there cuz even with Ewing they sucked. Could never win the big game.
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I wasn't questioning your loyalty to the Raiders but you became a fan of theirs only because they ere good and the Broncos were terrible. This is why Sacramento has no Kings fans and 73% of all people from northern California are Lakers fans vs Kings or Warriors fans. Gave up on the team closet to you and jumped on a bandwagon. So you were not a Knicks fan prior to Patrick Ewing? Well I can't exactly call you a bandwagon fan there cuz even with Ewing they sucked. Could never win the big game.
Again i just told you i started liking the raiders before i even knew how good they were. We didnt have espn back then. All we had was cowboy games and some oiler games. I started to like the raiders from the rare highlights i saw. If i wanted to just cheer for a winning team i could have just did like everyone and cheered the cowboys. Winning gets teams more coverage. More coverage equals more opportunitys to get fans. Not like the way it is today where you can see every game.

I told you i wasnt a big fan of basketball before Ewing went to the Knicks. Sure i watched some of it and could have become a Lakers fan or a clippers fan but i became a Knicks fan and it had nothing to do with their record.
You dont like it if people choose winning teams but its okay for them to choose teams losing teams?

Sports are a business and yes it is just like a movie or music. You put out a crappy product you lose support. Plain and simple. Some of us will put up with the ad music but others cant block it out. As long as they dont keep leaving and returning i dont have a problem with it.
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Funny how the only 3 fans out of hundreds on this forum who are responding are what many would call bandwagon fans. Sports are not movies. You don't live your existence around a movie. I know many fans who cheer for a bad team and while I despise them for doing so (vs cheering for the better team) they are extremely loyal. Cubs fans. They do have not jumped on any bandwagon. Red Sox fans, The few remaining Pirates fans before 2 years ago. While the Raiders have sucked for the last 13 yrs or so they were once among the leagues best, which is why instead of choosing a good team in your city that you can actually see on TV, go to games you chose to jump on the bandwagon of a west coast team that was good if not great.

Rag too bad your teams dont have stars on them now. So you are a Wizards fan? Then you changed allegiance from Minnesota to Dallas?
Cowboys, Dallas Stars, Yankees, and Knicks. At some point in my childhood I moved to the Knicks. It was either '76 or '77, around that time.

Let me ask you something. If you move to another state, do you follow their team? Or stick with the one you've always followed?
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Cowboys, Dallas Stars, Yankees, and Knicks. At some point in my childhood I moved to the Knicks. It was either '76 or '77, around that time.

Let me ask you something. If you move to another state, do you follow their team? Or stick with the one you've always followed?
When I have lived in other states I cheer against that team. Rams, Reds, Colts, Braves. As I mentioned I kinda like the Cardinals, so I have not cheered against them unless they are playing the Sox. What are you getting at?
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You dont like it if people choose winning teams but its okay for them to choose teams losing teams?

Sports are a business and yes it is just like a movie or music. You put out a crappy product you lose support. Plain and simple. Some of us will put up with the ad music but others cant block it out. As long as they dont keep leaving and returning i dont have a problem with it.
I have moire respect for someone who tells me he became a fan of the Broncos (over 9ers) simply because of John Elway or that he became a Dolphins fan (over Steelers) because Dan Marino is from the same town as he is. Cheering for a team like the Cubs and Braves because those were the only 2 teams on national tv at one point every day.
Sports fans are supposed to be loyal, if they are dropping their team because the product is bad then they are fairweather fans, which is as bad as a bandwagon fa. I see alot of fairweather Sox fans this year.
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Old 09-30-2013, 05:15 AM   #53
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I am not a super big football fan. I can discuss it semi intelligently and I follow it because I am a huge fan of sports in general.
I follow college football to a small degree. My UVA squad is woeful at both football and basketball.
I do enjoy the GM aspects of football. Especially the financial aspects, trying to build a 75 man squad with limited resources. Spending on key players while at the same time trying to have depth when the inevitable injuries come.


I need an NFL team to follow on a week to week basis.
This thread is to help me find one. State the case for your team or a team you think I should follow.

To help, I will list teams that for various reasons are completely out.

Cowboys
Bears
Packers
Vikings
Eagles
Giants
Jets
Steelers
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Ravens
Bengals
Cardinals
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That leaves a good portion of the league
So state your teams case!
Well, if you want to save yourself a lot of heartache, anguish and bouts of indigestion, not to mention retain a modicum of self-respect, don't follow the Jets.

As a lifelong Jets fan, that advice I can give you.

Edit: Sorry, I misread your post. You intelligently excluded the Jets from your list of possibles. Smart man.
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I have moire respect for someone who tells me he became a fan of the Broncos (over 9ers) simply because of John Elway or that he became a Dolphins fan (over Steelers) because Dan Marino is from the same town as he is. Cheering for a team like the Cubs and Braves because those were the only 2 teams on national tv at one point every day.
Sports fans are supposed to be loyal, if they are dropping their team because the product is bad then they are fairweather fans, which is as bad as a bandwagon fa. I see alot of fairweather Sox fans this year.
But you assumed i became a raider fan because they were winning. I could have assumed you became a sox fan after they won the series but i didnt why we become fans of teams are our own personal choices. Doesnt really make sense that people cant become fans of teams cause they are winning.
To me bandwagon is switching every few years. If after years of dissappointment a fan can no longer support a team then why make them stay? Thats like getting a divorce and staying in the same house as your ex.

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Im still a raider fan even after yesterdays garbage but i can see how Flynn is ecouraging fans to jump ship with his play. Have no idea how he became a qb.
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But you assumed i became a raider fsn because they were winning. I could have assumed you became a sox fan after they won the series but i didnt why we become fans of teams are our own personal choices. Doesnt really make sense that people cant become fans of teams cause they are winning.
To me bandwagon is switching every few years. If after years of dissappointment a fan can no longer support a team then why make them stay? Thats like getting a divorce and staying in the same house as your ex.
You told me when you became a Raiders fan, I have not told you yet when I became a fan of any of my teams. The Raiders were winning divsion titles when you said you became a fan. My team was 85-77 then proceeded to have 4 losing seasons. I was 9. I got into both MLB & NFL when I was 9. NBA when I was 11 and NHL when I was 16. (NHL is still an ongoing process, I like the game but can't tell ya half about the game)
I am fortunate, in my opinion, that my dad and my uncles are all diehard sports fans. While my family is split between the Sox and Cubs, we are all Bears, Bulls, ND & Hawks fans. NIU has crept in a lil bit since many of my family has gone there, but ND comes 1st.
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You told me when you became a Raiders fan, I have not told you yet when I became a fan of any of my teams. The Raiders were winning divsion titles when you said you became a fan. My team was 85-77 then proceeded to have 4 losing seasons. I was 9. I got into both MLB & NFL when I was 9. NBA when I was 11 and NHL when I was 16. (NHL is still an ongoing process, I like the game but can't tell ya half about the game)
I am fortunate, in my opinion, that my dad and my uncles are all diehard sports fans. While my family is split between the Sox and Cubs, we are all Bears, Bulls, ND & Hawks fans. NIU has crept in a lil bit since many of my family has gone there, but ND comes 1st.
Well then it doesnt matter what the record was because you would have became a fan of those teams regardless. But your trying to say that i should be a cowboys or oilers fan because thats were i grew up. Otherwise i just picked a team for the record. But i keep telling you i picked the raiders because everybody was cowboys fans and i wanted something different and liked the raiders when i was able to see highlights of them. Super Bowl X was the first one i saw and knew what it was about. I could have easily chose Pittsburgh. Just because the sox may not have been good and you forced yourself to become a fan doesnt mean everyone else has to do the same. I KNOW why i became a fan of the raiders. 85-77 isnt exactly horrible. The Sox could have easily gone either way.
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Sports fans are supposed to be loyal, if they are dropping their team because the product is bad then they are fairweather fans, which is as bad as a bandwagon fa.
If someone wants to bandwagon, that's their problem. They're not supposed to be loyal. Why should I care why other people cheer on whatever team or that they switch alliances?
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I am and always have been loyal to the Mets, Knicks, Giants, Rangers no matter how awful they've been. But in sports that I don't have roots dating to adolescence, I've tended to pick up teams that were good when I first started following the sport.

Soccer f.e., I'm not exactly a bandwagon fan since I picked up Manchester United when I first discovered soccer since they were nearly the only team I could get regular info on in the infancy of the internet. Yes they were good than and have stayed good.

Or Duke in college basketball. They hadn't won a national title yet when my ten year old self picked them as my favorite team. But they'd been to several final fours and won a title the next year.

But in both the cases of Man U and Duke, I've stayed with those teams even in somewhat down periods.

Does the way I chose Manchester United or Duke somehow make me less of a fan or those teams than of the NY teams I loved from infancy?

No, of course not. Nor does it do so for other fans who've switched allegiances or picked as their first team a team that have happened to be good at that time. That's a silly line of reasoning.
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