Beckett suspended 6 games for throwing the ball after a late timeout call - Page 3

PotatoPeeler · 04-15-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

actually that sounds more like current baseball scrums then hockey. The A-B buttons would be funny though.

No, it's definately Ice Hockey. Didn't you ever own an 8-bit NES?

Cooleyvol · 04-15-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EMSoccerCoach

I simply asked what made you say that. You responded by getting pissy which, as others have noted, seems to be your M.O. around here. I would think your approach would be much more positive given all the support the voices in your head seem to be giving you.

Please point out where you asked that of me.........wait, don't. I really don't care to hear the excuses yougive when you realize you never asked it.

Keep on thinking what you want, meat; I'll do the same.

canadiancreed · 04-15-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PotatoPeeler

No, it's definately Ice Hockey. Didn't you ever own an 8-bit NES?

Nope can't say that I did, although now your reference makes more sense.

CMH · 04-15-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

You know why they don't make that rule, while other sports do? Baseball is the only sport where one side is decidedly out-numbered on the field. If something starts up, the team batting could be outnumbered as badly as 9-on-2.

I get it, but this type of thought is condoning fights. The possibility of being outnumbered should be the last thing the league considers in this situation.

EMSoccerCoach · 04-15-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cooleyvol

Please point out where you asked that of me.........wait, don't. I really don't care to hear the excuses yougive when you realize you never asked it.

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Beckett's a dickhead and I think everyone knows it.

By everyone you mean you? Just trying to get the basis of the comment.

Seems pretty clear I was seeking the basis of your comment. Sorry if that flew over your head, son. I'll try to dumb it down for you next time.

dsvitak · 04-15-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EMSoccerCoach

Seems pretty clear I was seeking the basis of your comment. Sorry if that flew over your head, son. I'll try to dumb it down for you next time.

Boy, you are on a roll the last two days.

Nice to see that I am not being singled out, and that you are abusive to everyone you come in contact with.

Chill dude, chill.

silvam14 · 04-15-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

Boy, you are on a roll the last two days.

Nice to see that I am not being singled out, and that you are abusive to everyone you come in contact with.

Chill dude, chill.

I have to agree that some threads in general have turned quite nasty for reasons only people who post in OT would know. Hopefully people relax a bit, and soon

phightin · 04-15-2009, 02:33 PM

Haha wow tempers are flaring over this sox and angels fans must have their keyboards out in full force.

As someone who also played the game the reason why I have to side with Abreu and condone the angels for coming out is simply because I know that if a guy threw 90 miles accident or not right for my head, I'm livid and the rest of my team should be as well. This isn't a guy skating or running around out there giving "cheap shots", it's a 90 + mph ball coming at you that could potentially be deadly so yea I think they have every right to be upset. As far as Beckett being in the wrong I'll just say however suspect it may be, his first reaction was to leave the mound and go toward home. Beckett was pissed it's evident and he was in the wrong, six games/one start is fair and everyone is happy. Beckett really is a hot head, I think he even tried to start a fight with Ryan Howard a couple years ago in Spring Training, but I have to admit I like that in a pitcher.

rudel.dietrich · 04-15-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PotatoPeeler

This is silly. The player doesn't call time. The umpire does. I fail to see how punishing a player for an umpire's "mistake" is going to have any effect.

A umpire will not call time unless a batter asks for it.

silvam14 · 04-15-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik W.

I agree. Throwing at someone's head for calling a timeout after you've held the ball for 20 seconds, and leaving the mound to get in someone's face after throwing the ball at someone's head, and getting in the opposing manager's face after things have calmed down after you left the mound to get in someone's face after throwing a ball at their head... all that stuff needs to go!

I see what you're doing there. I find it funny that the umpires themselves felt Beckett did not throw at Abreu intentionally. Since apparently nobody credits MLB umpires with having good judgement, why do they have jobs? They must just really be in the tank for the Red Sox like ESPN/Peter Gammons..blah blah blah <insert other jealous reason here>

silvam14 · 04-15-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

A umpire will not call time unless a batter asks for it.

I think what he means is that the Umpire didn't have to grant Abreu time.

andymac · 04-15-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by silvam14

I see what you're doing there. I find it funny that the umpires themselves felt Beckett did not throw at Abreu intentionally. Since apparently nobody credits MLB umpires with having good judgement, why do they have jobs? They must just really be in the tank for the Red Sox like ESPN/Peter Gammons..blah blah blah <insert other jealous reason here>

Because of the situation, I think it would have been very hard for an umpire to rule that intentional. However, you would have to be a dummy (or at the very least a bit biased) to rule it out and his actions afterwards didn't do anything to alleviate those thoughts.

PotatoPeeler · 04-15-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rudel.dietrich

A umpire will not call time unless a batter asks for it.

So what? There's still nothing that says he has to call it if the batter asks for it.

silvam14 · 04-15-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by andymac

Because of the situation, I think it would have been very hard for an umpire to rule that intentional. However, you would have to be a dummy (or at the very least a bit biased) to rule it out and his actions afterwards didn't do anything to alleviate those thoughts.

Ok, well weren't the umpires present for the exchange between Beckett and Abreu. Does anyone have a transcript of what was said? You don't think the Umpires at that point couldn't deem Beckett as the aggressor and not the other way around (meaning the Angels team)

I'm sorry, I watched the game and the replays and this is how it looked to me.

Beckett obviously is overly concerned with figgins at second, beckett starts his delivery, time is called, the ball whizzes by. Abreu throws his arms up. Beckett asks for a ball inching closer to hear what Abreu is saying. Beckett then starts jawing at Abreu. Benches clear. Scioscia goes ballistic. Justin Speier shows what he is made of by constantly yelling at the red sox from the comfort of his own dugout.

andymac · 04-15-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PotatoPeeler

So what? There's still nothing that says he has to call it if the batter asks for it.

In this situation, with the amount of time that Beckett had been paused...it was absolutely the right decision by the umpire to grant it IMO.

EMSoccerCoach · 04-15-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

Boy, you are on a roll the last two days.

Nice to see that I am not being singled out, and that you are abusive to everyone you come in contact with.

Chill dude, chill.

Just reciprocating. I know you're not a fan of getting what you give, but most times in life it's how it works. In your world, of course, someone questioning you or proving you wrong is abuse. An odd way to live, but whatever suits you.

andymac · 04-15-2009, 03:11 PM

I am sure that the league questioned the umpires before making their decision on the suspension.

PotatoPeeler · 04-15-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by andymac

In this situation, with the amount of time that Beckett had been paused...it was absolutely the right decision by the umpire to grant it IMO.

I agree.

Jason Moyer · 04-15-2009, 03:51 PM

I think baseball should implement a rule where umpires are required to call timeouts anytime a batter calls for it, but if there's no obvious reason for him to call timeout (i.e. an equipment problem or an injury or something) then he should be penalized a strike. The constant granting of timeouts is something umpires didn't start doing until relatively recently (i.e. the past 30-ish years) and it totally destroys the flow of the game. There certainly need to be rules of some sort requiring pitchers/hitters to play the game instead of dallying about inbetween pitches constantly.

snnort · 04-15-2009, 04:36 PM

The calling of time outs is what it is. It should be changed. There is no reason for the amount of timeouts many batters are calling in the current "era" of baseball.

That said... in this instance... Beckett could have easily throw the pitch down the middle of the plate instead of at the head of a guy that was outside of the batters box. The location of Beckett's throw was uncalled for.

Beckett had a case to be "angry" for the LATE time out call, but by throwing where he threw it, he created the escalation. THEN he added fuel to the fire by walking towards home plate for no other reason than to argue with batter.

I'm a Red Sox fan WAY before the Angels. Short of my home town (of 30 years) Mariners... the Red Sox are my second favorite team... but Beckett put on a complete display of stupidity. His six game suspension is basically (as a starting pitcher) 2 game suspension in reality... so it's not that drastic. The days off in between starts he never would have entered a game anyway.

Beckett had a right to be slightly upset at the late time out call... but be a man and deal with it. Throwing at the head of the batter, in a place your catcher had no chance of catching, was completely uncalled for and then approaching home plate with your mouth jawing and your finger pointing is asking for trouble from the umpire OR league office. Beckett got what he deserved.

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andymac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Effingham, IL Posts: 5,725	I am sure that the league questioned the umpires before making their decision on the suspension. __________________ June Madness: Links FTB: andymac

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Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,112	I think baseball should implement a rule where umpires are required to call timeouts anytime a batter calls for it, but if there's no obvious reason for him to call timeout (i.e. an equipment problem or an injury or something) then he should be penalized a strike. The constant granting of timeouts is something umpires didn't start doing until relatively recently (i.e. the past 30-ish years) and it totally destroys the flow of the game. There certainly need to be rules of some sort requiring pitchers/hitters to play the game instead of dallying about inbetween pitches constantly. __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

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snnort Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 272	The calling of time outs is what it is. It should be changed. There is no reason for the amount of timeouts many batters are calling in the current "era" of baseball. That said... in this instance... Beckett could have easily throw the pitch down the middle of the plate instead of at the head of a guy that was outside of the batters box. The location of Beckett's throw was uncalled for. Beckett had a case to be "angry" for the LATE time out call, but by throwing where he threw it, he created the escalation. THEN he added fuel to the fire by walking towards home plate for no other reason than to argue with batter. I'm a Red Sox fan WAY before the Angels. Short of my home town (of 30 years) Mariners... the Red Sox are my second favorite team... but Beckett put on a complete display of stupidity. His six game suspension is basically (as a starting pitcher) 2 game suspension in reality... so it's not that drastic. The days off in between starts he never would have entered a game anyway. Beckett had a right to be slightly upset at the late time out call... but be a man and deal with it. Throwing at the head of the batter, in a place your catcher had no chance of catching, was completely uncalled for and then approaching home plate with your mouth jawing and your finger pointing is asking for trouble from the umpire OR league office. Beckett got what he deserved. Last edited by snnort; 04-15-2009 at 04:37 PM.

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phightin All Star Reserve Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 586	Haha wow tempers are flaring over this sox and angels fans must have their keyboards out in full force. As someone who also played the game the reason why I have to side with Abreu and condone the angels for coming out is simply because I know that if a guy threw 90 miles accident or not right for my head, I'm livid and the rest of my team should be as well. This isn't a guy skating or running around out there giving "cheap shots", it's a 90 + mph ball coming at you that could potentially be deadly so yea I think they have every right to be upset. As far as Beckett being in the wrong I'll just say however suspect it may be, his first reaction was to leave the mound and go toward home. Beckett was pissed it's evident and he was in the wrong, six games/one start is fair and everyone is happy. Beckett really is a hot head, I think he even tried to start a fight with Ryan Howard a couple years ago in Spring Training, but I have to admit I like that in a pitcher.