Frank Thomas a Blue Jay? - Page 3

Green & Gold Heart · 11-17-2006, 12:03 PM

Breaking news: Thomas signs, and he's white.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2665836

Green & Gold Heart · 11-17-2006, 12:06 PM

dola,

Damn, they already fixed it. That was funny for about five minutes.

Faroo6 · 11-17-2006, 12:07 PM

Really weak he wouldn't take $1.5 per year less to stay in Oakand and compete for a championship. I mean he can't really need the money that bad at this point in his career can he?

Astros02 · 11-17-2006, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Faroo6

Really weak he wouldn't take $1.5 per year less to stay in Oakand and compete for a championship. I mean he can't really need the money that bad at this point in his career can he?

Weak? He got offered a better contract and took it. Why should he have loyalty towards the A's, he played for them 1 season. Who is to say the Jays can't make the playoffs next season?

Erik W. · 11-17-2006, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Astros02

Who is to say the Jays can't make the playoffs next season?

Other than the Yankees and Red Sox?

mikev · 11-17-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Astros02

Weak? He got offered a better contract and took it. Why should he have loyalty towards the A's, he played for them 1 season. Who is to say the Jays can't make the playoffs next season?

No, he got offered more money. All season long he talked about how great it was playing in Oakland, how he loved baseball again, the clubhouse was awesome, he was having a ton of fun with the young players, and it was great that the team was competitive.

Now he took the money and ran, to a team with an astroturf field no less, and will probably end up finishing in 3rd in the East.

Faroo6 · 11-17-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Astros02

Weak? He got offered a better contract and took it. Why should he have loyalty towards the A's, he played for them 1 season. Who is to say the Jays can't make the playoffs next season?

Yeah, you really shouldn't have some loyalty to a team that helped you resurrect your career when no one else wanted you, what was I thinking?

darkenigma510 · 11-17-2006, 07:14 PM

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Yeah, you really shouldn't have some loyalty to a team that helped you resurrect your career when no one else wanted you, what was I thinking?

I bet you would take the higher money.

Faroo6 · 11-17-2006, 08:08 PM

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I bet you would take the higher money.

Its easy for me to say no because its not my choice, but I left a job that was paying me a little more for a job that was going to make me happier. So yeah, I can honestly say I would have stayed in Oakland if I were him.

GoCubsAndJays · 11-17-2006, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Faroo6

Its easy for me to say no because its not my choice, but I left a job that was paying me a little more for a job that was going to make me happier. So yeah, I can honestly say I would have stayed in Oakland if I were him.

Was the job paying you $1.5 million less?

Faroo6 · 11-17-2006, 08:15 PM

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Was the job paying you $1.5 million less?

About $500 less a month, so about $6000 a year. Follow me on this.

$7.5 million is 83% of $9 million so he would have taken a 17% paycut. My salary was $36,000. I make $30,000 now. $30,000 is 83% of $36,000. So yeah I took the same percentage paycut which is really the only way you can compare athletes salaries with the real world.

JDOldSchool · 11-17-2006, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by QuestGAV

... and it would be awesome if they projected out his EQA during those seasons to see how many extra wins he would have given his team if he had actually played. Unfortunately, they don't do that and Thomas had a WARP3 under 5 in four of the last 6 seasons. Unless you'd like to argue that his injury history is not a concern you had better look at more than his rate stats when giving him a multi-year contract with 8 figures attached.

Now you're changing your tune. Bad and injured are not the same thing. He didn't perform often during a couple of those seasons, but he did perform well.

JDOldSchool · 11-17-2006, 08:23 PM

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I bet you would take the higher money.

I sure would. Well, to an extent. Desire to win (the Blue Jays won't) and the turf injury concerns would factor in, but if the Blue Jays were offering double what the A's were, I'd be going to Canada, too.

QuestGAV · 11-17-2006, 08:40 PM

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Now you're changing your tune. Bad and injured are not the same thing. He didn't perform often during a couple of those seasons, but he did perform well.

I don't care if a guy is not producing because he's bad or because he's injured, the bottom line is they aren't producing. Are replacement level players bad? Because that's what you get when Thomas is injured.

RchW · 11-17-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Faroo6

About $500 less a month, so about $6000 a year. Follow me on this.

$7.5 million is 83% of $9 million so he would have taken a 17% paycut. My salary was $36,000. I make $30,000 now. $30,000 is 83% of $36,000. So yeah I took the same percentage paycut which is really the only way you can compare athletes salaries with the real world.

Actually it still can't be compared, but it favors you anyway. Athletes take the money because it is guaranteed. If we working stiffs were offered guaranteed contracts with no performance requirement we would be absolutely nuts not to take bigger money.

Your situation works because most people in real jobs perform well when they are happy, and get fired if they don't perform. Athletes get "fired" too but they get to keep the money. Really, you can never compare athletes and real jobs.

QuestGAV · 11-17-2006, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Faroo6

Its easy for me to say no because its not my choice, but I left a job that was paying me a little more for a job that was going to make me happier. So yeah, I can honestly say I would have stayed in Oakland if I were him.

Your willingness to do so shouldn't make him obligated to do so. People have different values and different priorities. It's great that you got extra value by taking that other job, but you can't expect everyone else to feel the same way.

darkenigma510 · 11-17-2006, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Faroo6

About $500 less a month, so about $6000 a year. Follow me on this.

$7.5 million is 83% of $9 million so he would have taken a 17% paycut. My salary was $36,000. I make $30,000 now. $30,000 is 83% of $36,000. So yeah I took the same percentage paycut which is really the only way you can compare athletes salaries with the real world.

Fair enough, but if Frank only spent a year in Oakland, why would he show such loyalty to them? I mean, the White Sox I could understand him choosing them over money, but Oakland was a one-year stop.

Storgers · 11-17-2006, 09:53 PM

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Other than the Yankees and Red Sox?

Well, Toronto did finish ahead of the Bosox last year

Erik W. · 11-18-2006, 12:32 AM

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Well, Toronto did finish ahead of the Bosox last year

Yeah, but that was before Mr. Gyroball came to town!

canadiancreed · 11-18-2006, 12:41 AM

unbelivable. Did JP look out into the market and think "whose the oldest most decrepted player we could sign?". I"m hoenstly not seeing the logic behind this other than the burn Mr. Rogers money (which isnt' a bad thing since Rogers sucks ass, but I digress)
This is giving me Jason Allison-esque vibes, only this time I'm not laughing at a Toronto team

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canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	unbelivable. Did JP look out into the market and think "whose the oldest most decrepted player we could sign?". I"m hoenstly not seeing the logic behind this other than the burn Mr. Rogers money (which isnt' a bad thing since Rogers sucks ass, but I digress) This is giving me Jason Allison-esque vibes, only this time I'm not laughing at a Toronto team __________________ PT21 PT22 Last edited by canadiancreed; 11-18-2006 at 12:42 AM.

11-17-2006, 12:03 PM	#41
Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	Breaking news: Thomas signs, and he's white. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2665836

11-17-2006, 12:06 PM	#42
Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	dola, Damn, they already fixed it. That was funny for about five minutes.