BJ Ryan signs with Toronto? - Page 3

rem · 11-26-2005, 10:45 AM

Lidge 70 2/3rds IP 58H 5HR 23BB 103K 2.29 ERA 181ERA+
Ryan 70 1/3rds IP 54H 4HR 26BB 100K 2.43 ERA 170ERA+

MrWorkrate · 11-26-2005, 10:56 AM

I don't know which is better - the fact that other teams are again spending like it's 2001, or the fact that some how, despite Ryan stating that he had no interest in them, the Yankees are still being blamed for this.

That's awesome. I don't think OOTP would have signed this deal.

KurtBevacqua · 11-26-2005, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MrWorkrate

That's awesome. I don't think OOTP would have signed this deal.

Sure it would. I once saw OOTP sign Eric Plunk for $12m a year.

rem · 11-26-2005, 11:27 AM

I've heard of OOTP signing RPers for 18, even 22M a year.

randomlefty10 · 11-26-2005, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mycroft

Ryan may be worth *half* what the Jays are willing to pay him.

And I thought the Mets were way overbidding for Wagner. At least it won't be a New York team as the primary villian in overpricing the free agent market this year.

I also can't believe no one else has said this yet:

Maybe they're paying him in Canadian $$Dollars$$???

Maybe you're right, it certainly would make more sense as I just don't see any reason to have to go that high on Ryan. Anyways, at the current rate, 47M Can is a tad over 40M US.

darkhorse · 11-26-2005, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GoCubsAndJays

Although League is only 22, can hit 100+ MPH on the radar gun, has tremendous upside and potential

35 K's in 63 innings at AAA this year. 17 K's in 35 innings in the bigs this year. And this kid can throw a century fastball?

His minor league record doesn't suggest that League is an A prospect.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...n-league.shtml

darkhorse · 11-26-2005, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by remangiii

Lidge 70 2/3rds IP 58H 5HR 23BB 103K 2.29 ERA 181ERA+
Ryan 70 1/3rds IP 54H 4HR 26BB 100K 2.43 ERA 170ERA+

Out of curiousity, I looked up Lidge's salaries for the last two years. Made 500 K in 2005, and 360K during his monster 2004 season. Seems a decent bargain.

Skipaway · 11-26-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MrWorkrate

teams are again spending like it's 2001,

2001 also happens to be the time when MLB got a jump in national TV revenue, just like this year.

Bad year to be a buyer.

DerekJeter2 · 11-26-2005, 12:53 PM

Well this helps the Yankees and Red Sox. Now the Blue Jays are pretty much tied up money wise for wasting 9.4mil a year on him

Dan Theman · 11-26-2005, 01:00 PM

I understand both the relativism argument about not being able to judge the contract, but it does seem more than a little risky to tie up so much capital in one player. I'll be curious to see what kind of impact it will have on the Blue Jays, but even more so on the other teams still in the market.

rem · 11-26-2005, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

Out of curiousity, I looked up Lidge's salaries for the last two years. Made 500 K in 2005, and 360K during his monster 2004 season. Seems a decent bargain.

True, but irrelevant! My point is that Ryan = good.

Jason Moyer · 11-26-2005, 01:12 PM

I still can't believe the Astros gave Ryan $1 million a year. What a giant ripoff.

rem · 11-26-2005, 01:54 PM

So three of the four SABER clubs have given big money to a closer. It didn't work out for the first two.
Yes, I know that sometimes ownership orders things

rem · 11-26-2005, 03:25 PM

I think it's possible that Ryan, who's a soft-tossing lefty, could be highly effective for all five years of the contract. But, there's no way I'd give him more than three years.

I just hate to see my boy become underrated because of his contract.

Ryan
2005, 2.43 ERA, 12.8 K9/IP
2004, 2.28 ERA, 12.6 K9/IP
2003, 3.40 ERA, 11.2 K9/IP
2002, 4.68 ERA, 8.7 K9/IP

KurtBevacqua · 11-26-2005, 03:37 PM

And this trade does what to the AL East race? Oh yeah, it gets Toronto 3rd.

Luis_Rivera · 11-26-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by remangiii

I think it's possible that Ryan, who's a soft-tossing lefty, could be highly effective for all five years of the contract. But, there's no way I'd give him more than three years.

Well, with the caveat that I wouldn't give a reliever (with today's closer usage patterns, at least) that much money in any circumstance, That 12+ K/9 looks beautiful for long term success barring injury... It's not like he's in his mid-30's. I'd definitely give him a 4-maybe 5 year deal at the right price.

Unfortunately, in today's market, expecting that right price is unrealistic.

rem · 11-26-2005, 06:22 PM

It's interesting that the non-saber crowd is knocking this move too, but for all the wrong reasons. They point to things like Ryan's W-L record, his lack of post-season experience, and that he's only been in the closer's role for one season.

GoCubsAndJays · 11-26-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DerekJeter2

Well this helps the Yankees and Red Sox. Now the Blue Jays are pretty much tied up money wise for wasting 9.4mil a year on him

The Jays payroll will be rising from 50 million to approximately ~80 million for the 2006 season. I don't see any reason that this one move will tie us up money wise.

Of course it isn't going to give us any more flexibility... but if we trade Batista who is making $4.75 million in 2005, it'll only be costing us about $5 million more for Ryan this year. The difference is Batistas contract was up at the end of the year anyways, whereas Ryan will be signed through 2010.

darkhorse · 11-26-2005, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GoCubsAndJays

The difference is Batistas contract was up at the end of the year anyways, whereas Ryan will be signed through 2010.

Exactly!

matskralc · 11-26-2005, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

Unfortunately, in today's market, expecting that right price is unrealistic.

Skipaway's whole point is that the market has changed so much (big influx of money) that the "right price" has also changed. You're judging the "right price" by the old markets. Baseball just got a nice fat new TV deal from ESPN: when everybody has more money, the "right price" likewise rises.

11-26-2005, 10:45 AM	#41
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	Lidge 70 2/3rds IP 58H 5HR 23BB 103K 2.29 ERA 181ERA+ Ryan 70 1/3rds IP 54H 4HR 26BB 100K 2.43 ERA 170ERA+ __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

11-26-2005, 10:56 AM	#42
MrWorkrate All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,262	I don't know which is better - the fact that other teams are again spending like it's 2001, or the fact that some how, despite Ryan stating that he had no interest in them, the Yankees are still being blamed for this. That's awesome. I don't think OOTP would have signed this deal. __________________ I used to come here a lot. Now, not so much.

11-26-2005, 11:27 AM	#44
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	I've heard of OOTP signing RPers for 18, even 22M a year. __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

11-26-2005, 12:53 PM	#49
DerekJeter2 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 144	Well this helps the Yankees and Red Sox. Now the Blue Jays are pretty much tied up money wise for wasting 9.4mil a year on him __________________ GM of St. Louis Cardinals (93-69, 109-53, 115-47, 121-41) 2005 World Series Champs Toronto Blue Jays (95-67, 98-64, 114-48, 107-55, 117-45, 34-18) 2007-2011 AL East Champs 2008, 2011 AL Champs 2011 World Series Champs Career OOTP Win%: .613 (2500+ Wins), 14 Division Titles, 10 Best Records, 6 League Championships, 2 World Series Titles

11-26-2005, 01:12 PM	#52
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,088	I still can't believe the Astros gave Ryan $1 million a year. What a giant ripoff. __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

11-26-2005, 01:54 PM	#53
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	So three of the four SABER clubs have given big money to a closer. It didn't work out for the first two. Yes, I know that sometimes ownership orders things __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

11-26-2005, 03:25 PM	#54
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	I think it's possible that Ryan, who's a soft-tossing lefty, could be highly effective for all five years of the contract. But, there's no way I'd give him more than three years. I just hate to see my boy become underrated because of his contract. Ryan 2005, 2.43 ERA, 12.8 K9/IP 2004, 2.28 ERA, 12.6 K9/IP 2003, 3.40 ERA, 11.2 K9/IP 2002, 4.68 ERA, 8.7 K9/IP __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0

11-26-2005, 03:37 PM	#55
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	And this trade does what to the AL East race? Oh yeah, it gets Toronto 3rd. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

11-26-2005, 06:22 PM	#57
rem Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: College Park, Md. Posts: 5,024	It's interesting that the non-saber crowd is knocking this move too, but for all the wrong reasons. They point to things like Ryan's W-L record, his lack of post-season experience, and that he's only been in the closer's role for one season. __________________ OTBA: Washington Filibusters CLBR: Minnesota Twins 2005 Winner of LL's Pick the Loser Contest! - 15-0