New York Mets 2005-2006 offseason thread - Page 3

GForce · 10-28-2005, 09:00 PM

Yeah...how could they have so little a clue as to sit a .729 OPS the final month to play a guy with a 1.085 OPS?

Take a walk, sh!tface.

GH

GForce · 10-31-2005, 06:22 PM

Mets pick up the option on Trachsel, but decline on Looper and Mientkiewicz.

Agree on all three counts.

GH

Melo · 10-31-2005, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GForce

Mets pick up the option on Trachsel, but decline on Looper and Mientkiewicz.

Agree on all three counts.

GH

Yep. I think Trachsel becomes a 10-5 guy though which means he has say over any trades. I say he stays and is the 4th or 5th starter.

Mientkiewicz burned his bridges here with some quotes last week. I was happy to get him here but he was a huge disappointment. He burned bridges with the Twins, Red Sox and now the Mets. Hey look...Dougie finally went 3 for 3!

Mycroft · 11-01-2005, 08:09 AM

MLB.cm and the Daily News are reporting that Alay Soler is finally coming over to the Mets. Not that's he's needed at the moment, but sounds like good trade bait. . .

or more likely since he's a Duquette signing, he'll be superfluous. . .

Furcal coming over to the Mets, though, as a 2nd baseman, sounds fascinating. The big question, though, is how much is he worth?

I guess $8 is fine, since that's how much Kaz Matsui's making, but no way he deserves the 4 year $40 million that Renteria is making.

Imagine:

Lineup
(not necessarily in this order)

Furcal*
Reyes
Beltran
Wright
Konerko* or Jacobs
Floyd
(A good defensive catcher) or even Castro
Cameron

Rotation

Martinez
Glavine (I predict a good year for him next year, since he learned how to pich at Shea in the second half)
Benson
Trachsel
Seo

Bullpen

Heilman
Hernandez
Padilla
Ryan* in the pen

I'm drooling. Almost literally.

ctorg · 11-01-2005, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Melo

Doug "automatic out" Mientkiewicz shoots his mouth off. Scan down to the middle of the article for some Dougie gems. He wasn't liked in Minnesota, wasn't liked in Boston and now burns a bridge in New York. Don't let the door hit you on the way out...

http://www.startribune.com/stories/503/5687450.html

I wonder why he feels that way about the Mets. I admit that sometimes it seems like management doesn't have a clue, but I think Minaya looks like a good GM so far. I think they're headed in the right direction anyway.

Melo · 11-01-2005, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ctorg

I wonder why he feels that way about the Mets. I admit that sometimes it seems like management doesn't have a clue, but I think Minaya looks like a good GM so far. I think they're headed in the right direction anyway.

Doug left the Twins on bad terms...he criticized his manager, Gardenhire. He left the Sox on bad terms. Now it's the Mets. Doug sucked and he lost his job to another player and rather than just admit it and move on, he's blaming someone else.

Melo · 11-01-2005, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mycroft

Furcal coming over to the Mets, though, as a 2nd baseman, sounds fascinating. The big question, though, is how much is he worth?

I guess $8 is fine, since that's how much Kaz Matsui's making, but no way he deserves the 4 year $40 million that Renteria is making.

I heard some of this Furcal stuff earlier but didn't believe it. It's kind of flattering to see that he's motivated to play for the Mets. I agree that he's not worth Renteria money. Reyes, Furcal and Beltran at the top of the order will mean more fastballs for Floyd and Wright, that's for sure.

GForce · 11-01-2005, 10:10 PM

Allegedly, Trevor Hoffman is insulted by the Padres' offer and he's cleaned out his locker of everything. The Mets are likely to show interest, but I'd imagine Hoffman is not likely to move across the country at this point. He's also 38, seeking a 3-year deal at $25M-$28M.

GH

darkhorse · 11-01-2005, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Melo

I agree that he's not worth Renteria money.

Is Renteria worth Furcal money?

mikev · 11-01-2005, 11:36 PM

So, what do you think the Mets interest in obtaining Zito is?

Personally, I don't think Z is gonna be on the market, but just curious to hear from Met fans.

I'm sure at the least, a deal similer to the Hudson/Mulder deals would be required, i.e. ML ready player, ML ready reliever, and a high prospect.

Mycroft · 11-02-2005, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mikev

So, what do you think the Mets interest in obtaining Zito is?

Personally, I don't think Z is gonna be on the market, but just curious to hear from Met fans.

I'm sure at the least, a deal similer to the Hudson/Mulder deals would be required, i.e. ML ready player, ML ready reliever, and a high prospect.

Zito might be traded, but I can't really imagine him going to the Mets.

Mets already have good pitching depth, have to improve, not trade away their bullpen and tend to get burned when giving away prospects.

Hadn't even heard it was being considered.

Melo · 11-02-2005, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikev

So, what do you think the Mets interest in obtaining Zito is?

Personally, I don't think Z is gonna be on the market, but just curious to hear from Met fans.

I'm sure at the least, a deal similer to the Hudson/Mulder deals would be required, i.e. ML ready player, ML ready reliever, and a high prospect.

I doubt he'll be on the block in the offseason. He's an FA after next year so maybe he'll be available at the deadline. Any deal for him would have to include Milledge and/or Petit and I would be OK if Petit was included but not Milledge.

GForce · 11-04-2005, 10:57 PM

Word around my newsroom is that Wagner could be sealed up for the Mets days after the exclusive period (the 11th, I believe). Of course, NY media tends to think we'll get anyone we want, so we'll see.

I'm admittedly not sure if I'd take Wagner over Ryan at this point, but I'd surely take either over Looper.

GH

Mycroft · 11-05-2005, 12:15 AM

I think Ryan is a much better fit for the Mets than Wagner.

By which i mean, when Ryan 'screws up,' by which he'll either have a bad week or month (which is natural for a closer) all I'll have to hear is 'Man, we should have got Wagner,' rather than 'Wagner sucks, he isn't worth $10, let alone $10 million).

With Mets closers, lower expectations are always safer. That way, there's actually a chance for them to meet or even exceed expecations. . .

Which is why no one ever wants to play in New York

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Melo · 11-05-2005, 06:08 AM

Wagner will be great in 2006 but what about 2007 & 2008? I'd like to see the team built for next year without having dead wood down the road.

The relievers I want are:

Ryan
Farnsworth
Scott Eyre

Mycroft · 11-05-2005, 07:00 AM

Don't know much about Eyre, but I agree with Ryan and Farnsworth. Farnsworth has been a hard thrower who has the potential to be better than Wagner, at least that was my impression of him on the Cubs. Potential, mind you.

Meanwhile, hasn't everyone heard? The Mets are going to have a new network next year. What is this weird talk of 'building?' They definitely have a 'win now' philosophy.

Oh and if the Mets are gonna thrown $10mil around, at least give it to an everyday player (Furcal) instead of Wagner.

Melo · 11-05-2005, 01:30 PM

Eyre's a lefty for SF. He's done pretty well over the last few seasons averaging about a SO an inning. He can get righties out too.

Ryan L
Farnsworth R
Eyre L
Padilla R
Bell R
Hamulack L

I like the idea of a balanced pen behind a rotation that only has one lefty. I heard the Mets are really interested in Eischen but he's a LOOGY and Eyre may be a little cheaper.

ctorg · 11-07-2005, 09:07 AM

It would be very nice to have a reasonable closer again. I didn't like the idea of Looper closing when the Mets first got him, and my dislike of the idea only intensified. He's just not a closer, and I'm not sure how he even wound up in the role or who thought he should be.

I've been reading that the Mets may try to fill some holes by looking outside the US. Hopefully, if they do that, they'll have more luck than they did with Matsui.

GForce · 11-08-2005, 09:37 PM

So now the talk is:

Mets get Manny

Red Sox get Cameron and 2 out of Milledge, Petit and Heilman.

There's speculation Petit is ultimately going to fall short, but still, the system appears weak again, and weakening it further scares me. It's hard to pass on a player of Manny's caliber, but I must concede this deal frightens me as a fan. If you deal Cameron, Heilman and Milledge...that's a lot for a moody, poor defensive player whose OPS has slipped 3 straight years (though he's obviously still outstanding).

I don't know...I just have my concerns.

GH

potatoman · 11-08-2005, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GForce

So now the talk is:

Mets get Manny

Red Sox get Cameron and 2 out of Milledge, Petit and Heilman.

There's speculation Petit is ultimately going to fall short, but still, the system appears weak again, and weakening it further scares me. It's hard to pass on a player of Manny's caliber, but I must concede this deal frightens me as a fan. If you deal Cameron, Heilman and Milledge...that's a lot for a moody, poor defensive player whose OPS has slipped 3 straight years (though he's obviously still outstanding).

I don't know...I just have my concerns.

GH

I'd rather do Cameron, Heilman and Petit. Manny is too good of a player to pss up on.

11-01-2005, 08:09 AM	#44
Mycroft Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 193	MLB.cm and the Daily News are reporting that Alay Soler is finally coming over to the Mets. Not that's he's needed at the moment, but sounds like good trade bait. . . or more likely since he's a Duquette signing, he'll be superfluous. . . Furcal coming over to the Mets, though, as a 2nd baseman, sounds fascinating. The big question, though, is how much is he worth? I guess $8 is fine, since that's how much Kaz Matsui's making, but no way he deserves the 4 year $40 million that Renteria is making. Imagine: Lineup (not necessarily in this order) Furcal* Reyes Beltran Wright Konerko* or Jacobs Floyd (A good defensive catcher) or even Castro Cameron Rotation Martinez Glavine (I predict a good year for him next year, since he learned how to pich at Shea in the second half) Benson Trachsel Seo Bullpen Heilman Hernandez Padilla Ryan* in the pen I'm drooling. Almost literally. Last edited by Mycroft; 11-01-2005 at 08:12 AM.

11-01-2005, 11:36 PM	#50
mikev Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 4,014	So, what do you think the Mets interest in obtaining Zito is? Personally, I don't think Z is gonna be on the market, but just curious to hear from Met fans. I'm sure at the least, a deal similer to the Hudson/Mulder deals would be required, i.e. ML ready player, ML ready reliever, and a high prospect. __________________ Global Unified Baseball Association - Vice Commish and Oakland Oaks GM

11-07-2005, 09:07 AM	#58
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	It would be very nice to have a reasonable closer again. I didn't like the idea of Looper closing when the Mets first got him, and my dislike of the idea only intensified. He's just not a closer, and I'm not sure how he even wound up in the role or who thought he should be. I've been reading that the Mets may try to fill some holes by looking outside the US. Hopefully, if they do that, they'll have more luck than they did with Matsui. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

10-28-2005, 09:00 PM	#41
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Yeah...how could they have so little a clue as to sit a .729 OPS the final month to play a guy with a 1.085 OPS? Take a walk, sh!tface. GH

10-31-2005, 06:22 PM	#42
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Mets pick up the option on Trachsel, but decline on Looper and Mientkiewicz. Agree on all three counts. GH

11-01-2005, 10:10 PM	#48
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Allegedly, Trevor Hoffman is insulted by the Padres' offer and he's cleaned out his locker of everything. The Mets are likely to show interest, but I'd imagine Hoffman is not likely to move across the country at this point. He's also 38, seeking a 3-year deal at $25M-$28M. GH

11-04-2005, 10:57 PM	#53
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	Word around my newsroom is that Wagner could be sealed up for the Mets days after the exclusive period (the 11th, I believe). Of course, NY media tends to think we'll get anyone we want, so we'll see. I'm admittedly not sure if I'd take Wagner over Ryan at this point, but I'd surely take either over Looper. GH

11-05-2005, 12:15 AM	#54
Mycroft Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 193	I think Ryan is a much better fit for the Mets than Wagner. By which i mean, when Ryan 'screws up,' by which he'll either have a bad week or month (which is natural for a closer) all I'll have to hear is 'Man, we should have got Wagner,' rather than 'Wagner sucks, he isn't worth $10, let alone $10 million). With Mets closers, lower expectations are always safer. That way, there's actually a chance for them to meet or even exceed expecations. . . Which is why no one ever wants to play in New York .

11-05-2005, 06:08 AM	#55
Melo All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the baned reside Posts: 1,428	Wagner will be great in 2006 but what about 2007 & 2008? I'd like to see the team built for next year without having dead wood down the road. The relievers I want are: Ryan Farnsworth Scott Eyre

11-05-2005, 07:00 AM	#56
Mycroft Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 193	Don't know much about Eyre, but I agree with Ryan and Farnsworth. Farnsworth has been a hard thrower who has the potential to be better than Wagner, at least that was my impression of him on the Cubs. Potential, mind you. Meanwhile, hasn't everyone heard? The Mets are going to have a new network next year. What is this weird talk of 'building?' They definitely have a 'win now' philosophy. Oh and if the Mets are gonna thrown $10mil around, at least give it to an everyday player (Furcal) instead of Wagner.

11-05-2005, 01:30 PM	#57
Melo All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the baned reside Posts: 1,428	Eyre's a lefty for SF. He's done pretty well over the last few seasons averaging about a SO an inning. He can get righties out too. Ryan L Farnsworth R Eyre L Padilla R Bell R Hamulack L I like the idea of a balanced pen behind a rotation that only has one lefty. I heard the Mets are really interested in Eischen but he's a LOOGY and Eyre may be a little cheaper.

11-08-2005, 09:37 PM	#59
GForce Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,458 Infractions: 0/2 (2)	So now the talk is: Mets get Manny Red Sox get Cameron and 2 out of Milledge, Petit and Heilman. There's speculation Petit is ultimately going to fall short, but still, the system appears weak again, and weakening it further scares me. It's hard to pass on a player of Manny's caliber, but I must concede this deal frightens me as a fan. If you deal Cameron, Heilman and Milledge...that's a lot for a moody, poor defensive player whose OPS has slipped 3 straight years (though he's obviously still outstanding). I don't know...I just have my concerns. GH