Most Realistic Cities Due For Teams - Page 2

MamboRat · 03-29-2002, 01:09 PM

Well, I might as well throw in my opinion in an off-shoot way. Here are the teams for my Universal Baseball Association as it stands now, plus those cities favored for expansion in the coming years:

Washington D.C. (Washington Federals)
Newark, NJ (New Jersey Highlanders)
Staten Island, NY (Staten Island Stogies)
Brooklyn, NY (Brooklyn Excelsiors)

Portland, OR (Portland Pioneers)
Seattle, WA (my Bridegrooms got there before either the Pilots OR the M's)
Dayton, OH (Dayton Dragons)
Colorado Springs, CO (Colorado Coyotes)

Oklahoma City, OK (Oklahoma Haymakers)
Montgomery, AL (Montgomery Moonshiners)
Charlotte, NC (Carolina Grays)
New Orleans, LA (New Orleans Blues)

Austin, TX (Austin Rustlers)
Dallas, TX (Dallas Knickerbockers)
Albuquerque, NM (Albuquerque Keystones)
Hollywood, CA (Hollywood Stars)

and those up for expansion consideration:

Mexico City, Mexico (more than 7 million strong!)
Buffalo, NY
Indianapolis,IN :home of the Red Caps in my 1st UBA
Vancouver B.C. :home of the Quicksteps in UBA I
Memphis, TN
Birmingham, AL
Maui/Honolulu, HI
Salt Lake City, UT
Nashville TN :home of the Tip-Tops in UBA I
Omaha, NE
Grand Rapids MI
Jacksonville, FL
Orlando FL
Harrisburg PA :home of the Penn. Quakers in UBA I
Tacoma, WA : home of the Storm in UBA I
Wichita KS : home of the Spiders in UBA I
El Paso, TX : home of the Eclipse in UBA I
Tucson AZ : home of the Brown Sox in UBA I
Las Vegas, NV : home of the Perfectos in UBA I
Macon GA : home of the Wonders in UBA I

Storky · 03-29-2002, 02:25 PM

Saskatoon, Saskatchewan

DennisS · 03-29-2002, 02:36 PM

If you consider that baseball is an international sport, then consider:

Mexico City, or several others...there are 170 million Mexicans, the same number as Americans in 1950, and we had 16 teams then!

Seoul, Korea

Tokyo, or any of a bunch of different Japanese cities

Vancouver

In the US, consider:
Las Vegas,
Albuquerque,
Salt Lake City,
Virginia Beach,
Charlotte,
Birmingham,
Nashville,
Memphis,
San Antonio,
Buffalo,
Portland,
El Paso.

Moving one to Orlando from Tampa would seem reasonable...look at the demographics of population movement, south and west.

bigphesta · 03-29-2002, 02:43 PM

Las Vegas
Mexico CIty
New Orleans
Portland/Vancouver (actually prefer Vancouver because, well, it's 'legal' there

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joshuaaaaaa · 03-29-2002, 02:53 PM

Here's something I posted the other day that might be helpful...

I decided to start up a fictional league and use a mixture of current MLB cities and new cities. Of course, the question then became where to find good population data. My first thought was the Census Bureau, and I found the page <a href="http://www.census.gov/population/www/cen2000/phc-t3.html" target="_blank">accessible through this link</a> quite helpful. Its the Ranking Tables for Metropolitan Areas: Population in 2000 and Population Change from 1990 to 2000.

Jason Moyer · 03-29-2002, 03:26 PM

<a href="http://www.census.gov/population/www/cen2000/phc-t3.html" target="_blank">http://www.census.gov/population/www/cen2000/phc-t3.html</a>

Look at table 3, metro areas sorted by population. Also, notice that New York and Los Angeles could support a 3rd, 4th, or 5th franchise more easily than most cities could even support 1, assuming that the ability to support a franchise is directly proportional to population, which isn't necessarily true.

Jason

Psicosis · 03-29-2002, 04:10 PM

[quote]You guys mentioning Memphis obviously know nothing about Memphis, Tennessee. The city SUCKS, the fan base isnt there for baseball on the major league level at ALL!!<hr></blockquote>I'll have whatever he's smoking. I don't see it happening anytime soon, as I think most everyone's happy to have one of the two or three best minor-league ballparks in the country and a team that draws very well every day, but Memphis would be a much better option than Nashville. Expandability of AutoZone Park from 14,000 to whatever would be needed is also a question. Either way, get over that inferiority complex. Neither city's getting an MLB team in the near future, but Memphis would probably get one before Nashville if they were both vying for one at this point.

I see the "next in line" cities as being Portland and Charlotte. Indy would also be a candidate, but like another poster said, their location hurts them.

player196 · 03-29-2002, 04:55 PM

Definately Portland. I would love to see the Expos move there instead of being contracted.

Baseballr77 · 03-29-2002, 09:51 PM

What about both OKC or Tulsa, both have great crowds and both for winning organization. Plus OKC has great fan base and great new stadium.

mtw · 03-29-2002, 10:07 PM

I think Detroit and Baltimore deserve baseball teams. Those cities have been starving for baseball for a long time.

I Am The Game · 03-29-2002, 10:10 PM

I hear everyone talking about minor league cities. What about good'ole Pawtucket, RI? The "PawSox" draw very very well, 7th highest attendance among minor league franchises, and the fans are very loyal here. Downtown Providence (the RI Capital for those who don't know..) is only 10 minutes away, plus there is a hotel and restaurent just minutes from the park. I say Pawtucket and Las Vegas are two good spots. That's where I always put my teams in my solo league.

Cooleyvol · 03-30-2002, 04:04 AM

Psicosis,

No inferiority complex. Just fact, and I'm not smoking anything! Memphis sports fans have historically shown their indifference to sports teams. Autozone Park is a great AAA park, but couldnt be expanded to ML capacity simply b/c they "shoe-horned" it into downtown with no room for major expansion. Sure they are supporting the Redbirds right now b/c of the newness of the team AND the new park. Interest will wane as it always does in Memphis.
Neither will get one, but Nashville would be before Memphis IMO.

Where are you from in West TN?

Lance010 · 03-30-2002, 06:11 AM

Rochester, NY

It is now the largest City in America without a professional sports team.

It used to be Columbus but now they got their hockey team.

Rochester has a AAA team (Baltimore.

They (well I) need a Major League Sports Team.

Psicosis · 03-30-2002, 06:18 AM

[quote]Autozone Park is a great AAA park, but couldnt be expanded to ML capacity simply b/c they "shoe-horned" it into downtown with no room for major expansion. <hr></blockquote>Yeah, I mentioned that before. If there was real interest from the MLB, I think they'd be able to figure something out regarding the area around it or even build a new stadium, but it's not enough of a possibility to really worry about at this point.

[quote]Interest will wane as it always does in Memphis.<hr></blockquote>Sure thing, Cleo.

[quote]Neither will get one, but Nashville would be before Memphis IMO.<hr></blockquote>I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, then.

Cooleyvol · 03-30-2002, 10:20 AM

Psicosis,

Name ONE pro sports team that Memphis has actually supported...........just one.............didn't think so.

You didnt tell me where in West Tn you are located.

I got your "Cleo" right here!!

Specs · 03-30-2002, 11:08 AM

LOL CHARLOTTE THAT WAS GREAT!!! Who said Charlotte? How about putting a second team in Minneapolis? Or maybe expanding to Ottawa while the exchange rate is still low? I got an idea: Dayton, TN! We could all party at a certain friend's house the day before...

Schmidty · 03-30-2002, 11:12 AM

The Minor League capital of the Midwest - Grand Rapids, MI!!!!!

Home of the World Champion Grand Rapids Rampage, 2-time Midwest champion West Michigan Whitecaps, the AHL leading Grand Rapids Griffins, and the 2-time CBA title winning Grand Rapids Hoops!!!!!

Contrary to popular belief, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

Scott Vibert · 03-30-2002, 03:04 PM

Portland, OR and San Juan, PR (repeat suggestion)

Roxtar · 03-30-2002, 03:58 PM

Well, I live in Portland, OR and they say we should have a Major League team here within 2-3 years. They also say we are the biggest market without a pro baseball team. Atleast that is what they said on the news yesterday when the Mariners played here. I think it would be great, but won't hold my breathe.

Draft Dodger · 03-30-2002, 04:53 PM

what I used (although I was more interested in geographically balancing while adding on to current MLB cities).

Washington
Las Vegas
Portland
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Anchorage

03-29-2002, 01:09 PM	#21
MamboRat Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Portland OR Posts: 218	Well, I might as well throw in my opinion in an off-shoot way. Here are the teams for my Universal Baseball Association as it stands now, plus those cities favored for expansion in the coming years: Washington D.C. (Washington Federals) Newark, NJ (New Jersey Highlanders) Staten Island, NY (Staten Island Stogies) Brooklyn, NY (Brooklyn Excelsiors) Portland, OR (Portland Pioneers) Seattle, WA (my Bridegrooms got there before either the Pilots OR the M's) Dayton, OH (Dayton Dragons) Colorado Springs, CO (Colorado Coyotes) Oklahoma City, OK (Oklahoma Haymakers) Montgomery, AL (Montgomery Moonshiners) Charlotte, NC (Carolina Grays) New Orleans, LA (New Orleans Blues) Austin, TX (Austin Rustlers) Dallas, TX (Dallas Knickerbockers) Albuquerque, NM (Albuquerque Keystones) Hollywood, CA (Hollywood Stars) and those up for expansion consideration: Mexico City, Mexico (more than 7 million strong!) Buffalo, NY Indianapolis,IN :home of the Red Caps in my 1st UBA Vancouver B.C. :home of the Quicksteps in UBA I Memphis, TN Birmingham, AL Maui/Honolulu, HI Salt Lake City, UT Nashville TN :home of the Tip-Tops in UBA I Omaha, NE Grand Rapids MI Jacksonville, FL Orlando FL Harrisburg PA :home of the Penn. Quakers in UBA I Tacoma, WA : home of the Storm in UBA I Wichita KS : home of the Spiders in UBA I El Paso, TX : home of the Eclipse in UBA I Tucson AZ : home of the Brown Sox in UBA I Las Vegas, NV : home of the Perfectos in UBA I Macon GA : home of the Wonders in UBA I __________________ Ron Shearer Universal Baseball Association

03-29-2002, 02:53 PM	#25
joshuaaaaaa All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 633	Here's something I posted the other day that might be helpful... I decided to start up a fictional league and use a mixture of current MLB cities and new cities. Of course, the question then became where to find good population data. My first thought was the Census Bureau, and I found the page <a href="http://www.census.gov/population/www/cen2000/phc-t3.html" target="_blank">accessible through this link</a> quite helpful. Its the Ranking Tables for Metropolitan Areas: Population in 2000 and Population Change from 1990 to 2000. __________________ Baltimore Monarchs-GUBA Baltimore Orioles-ORB2 "One of the greatest discoveries a man makes, one of his great surprises, is to find he can do what he was afraid he couldn't do." ~Henry Ford ~

03-29-2002, 03:26 PM	#26
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,067	<a href="http://www.census.gov/population/www/cen2000/phc-t3.html" target="_blank">http://www.census.gov/population/www/cen2000/phc-t3.html</a> Look at table 3, metro areas sorted by population. Also, notice that New York and Los Angeles could support a 3rd, 4th, or 5th franchise more easily than most cities could even support 1, assuming that the ability to support a franchise is directly proportional to population, which isn't necessarily true. Jason __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

03-29-2002, 09:51 PM	#29
Baseballr77 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wichita Falls, TX Posts: 94	What about both OKC or Tulsa, both have great crowds and both for winning organization. Plus OKC has great fan base and great new stadium. __________________ MLB Pro - Boston RedSox 2013 WS Champs Sooner born, Sooner bred, When I die, I'll be Sooner dead.

03-29-2002, 10:07 PM	#30
mtw All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 653	I think Detroit and Baltimore deserve baseball teams. Those cities have been starving for baseball for a long time. __________________ Over-Zealous Apologist

03-29-2002, 02:25 PM	#22
Storky Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 27	Saskatoon, Saskatchewan

03-29-2002, 02:36 PM	#23
DennisS Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 107	If you consider that baseball is an international sport, then consider: Mexico City, or several others...there are 170 million Mexicans, the same number as Americans in 1950, and we had 16 teams then! Seoul, Korea Tokyo, or any of a bunch of different Japanese cities Vancouver In the US, consider: Las Vegas, Albuquerque, Salt Lake City, Virginia Beach, Charlotte, Birmingham, Nashville, Memphis, San Antonio, Buffalo, Portland, El Paso. Moving one to Orlando from Tampa would seem reasonable...look at the demographics of population movement, south and west.

03-29-2002, 02:43 PM	#24
bigphesta Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 1,366	Las Vegas Mexico CIty New Orleans Portland/Vancouver (actually prefer Vancouver because, well, it's 'legal' there )

03-29-2002, 04:10 PM	#27
Psicosis Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 228	[quote]You guys mentioning Memphis obviously know nothing about Memphis, Tennessee. The city SUCKS, the fan base isnt there for baseball on the major league level at ALL!!<hr></blockquote>I'll have whatever he's smoking. I don't see it happening anytime soon, as I think most everyone's happy to have one of the two or three best minor-league ballparks in the country and a team that draws very well every day, but Memphis would be a much better option than Nashville. Expandability of AutoZone Park from 14,000 to whatever would be needed is also a question. Either way, get over that inferiority complex. Neither city's getting an MLB team in the near future, but Memphis would probably get one before Nashville if they were both vying for one at this point. I see the "next in line" cities as being Portland and Charlotte. Indy would also be a candidate, but like another poster said, their location hurts them.

03-29-2002, 04:55 PM	#28
player196 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Medford, OR Posts: 59	Definately Portland. I would love to see the Expos move there instead of being contracted.

03-29-2002, 10:10 PM	#31
I Am The Game All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 691	I hear everyone talking about minor league cities. What about good'ole Pawtucket, RI? The "PawSox" draw very very well, 7th highest attendance among minor league franchises, and the fans are very loyal here. Downtown Providence (the RI Capital for those who don't know..) is only 10 minutes away, plus there is a hotel and restaurent just minutes from the park. I say Pawtucket and Las Vegas are two good spots. That's where I always put my teams in my solo league.

03-30-2002, 04:04 AM	#32
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	Psicosis, No inferiority complex. Just fact, and I'm not smoking anything! Memphis sports fans have historically shown their indifference to sports teams. Autozone Park is a great AAA park, but couldnt be expanded to ML capacity simply b/c they "shoe-horned" it into downtown with no room for major expansion. Sure they are supporting the Redbirds right now b/c of the newness of the team AND the new park. Interest will wane as it always does in Memphis. Neither will get one, but Nashville would be before Memphis IMO. Where are you from in West TN?

03-30-2002, 06:11 AM	#33
Lance010 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 49	Rochester, NY It is now the largest City in America without a professional sports team. It used to be Columbus but now they got their hockey team. Rochester has a AAA team (Baltimore. They (well I) need a Major League Sports Team. __________________ "If you hail from NY, you HAVE to choose between the Mets and Yanks. I've heard people that support both teams. What is this, like the bisexuality of sports?? - Bill Simmons

03-30-2002, 06:18 AM	#34
Psicosis Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 228	[quote]Autozone Park is a great AAA park, but couldnt be expanded to ML capacity simply b/c they "shoe-horned" it into downtown with no room for major expansion. <hr></blockquote>Yeah, I mentioned that before. If there was real interest from the MLB, I think they'd be able to figure something out regarding the area around it or even build a new stadium, but it's not enough of a possibility to really worry about at this point. [quote]Interest will wane as it always does in Memphis.<hr></blockquote>Sure thing, Cleo. [quote]Neither will get one, but Nashville would be before Memphis IMO.<hr></blockquote>I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, then.

03-30-2002, 10:20 AM	#35
Cooleyvol Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Union City, TN Posts: 6,383	Psicosis, Name ONE pro sports team that Memphis has actually supported...........just one.............didn't think so. You didnt tell me where in West Tn you are located. I got your "Cleo" right here!!

03-30-2002, 11:12 AM	#37
Schmidty Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brownwood, TX Posts: 54	The Minor League capital of the Midwest - Grand Rapids, MI!!!!! Home of the World Champion Grand Rapids Rampage, 2-time Midwest champion West Michigan Whitecaps, the AHL leading Grand Rapids Griffins, and the 2-time CBA title winning Grand Rapids Hoops!!!!! Contrary to popular belief, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

03-30-2002, 03:04 PM	#38
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,201	Portland, OR and San Juan, PR (repeat suggestion)

03-30-2002, 03:58 PM	#39
Roxtar Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 43	Well, I live in Portland, OR and they say we should have a Major League team here within 2-3 years. They also say we are the biggest market without a pro baseball team. Atleast that is what they said on the news yesterday when the Mariners played here. I think it would be great, but won't hold my breathe.

03-30-2002, 04:53 PM	#40
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