2005 White Sox Thread - Page 2

JDOldSchool · 04-15-2005, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MogulChamp

I like Carl. I think he is a cheap, good, switch-hitter. I don't like the fact that KW traded for him twice. I agree that those were horrible moves.

Cheap? He costs $4 million and can't play defense, stay healthy, or hit like he did in 2000. He's not good. He had a .319 OBP last year. That's almost as bad as Podsednik! He was doing better so far this year, but there was no reason to expect that to last.

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The problem with this injury is Ozzie. From what I understand, Carl was in LF to give Pods some rest and to allow Gload to DH. Why not put either Ozuna or Timo in LF? This stinks and it's Ozzie's fault.

Or, the simple option, let Gload play left and let Everett DH. Gload should be the starting LF anyway. He's a better offensive player than Podsednik and with consistent time out there, Gload would be just as good defensively.

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Ozzie had better get his head out of his butt, even though KW probably won't fire him, because he is probably the cheapest option out there.

Hopefully Williams is fired before Ozzie. I wouldn't mind seeing both of them gone at the end of the season. If they only win around 65 games, that could happen. That's why I'm rooting against them this year. It's for the good of the franchise.

MogulChamp · 04-15-2005, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Cheap? He costs $4 million and can't play defense, stay healthy, or hit like he did in 2000. He's not good. He had a .319 OBP last year. That's almost as bad as Podsednik! He was doing better so far this year, but there was no reason to expect that to last.

Well he only played in 82 games in 2004 and was hampered by injuries. Also, about half of those games were in Montreal, not exactly a place where he is going to get motivated. You may want to look at his 2003 numbers. .287 28HR 92rbi .510 slg in 147 games. I'll take those numbers for 4 million any day.

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Or, the simple option, let Gload play left and let Everett DH. Gload should be the starting LF anyway. He's a better offensive player than Podsednik and with consistent time out there, Gload would be just as good defensively.

Well I know you have a love affair with Gload, but he just plain sucks. His power numbers are crap for a LF. And if you can't have power, you damn sure better be able to play some defense. Especially the way this team is built this season. His numbers last year: 110 games 7HR 16 doubles. Not very spectacular for a LF.

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Hopefully Williams is fired before Ozzie. I wouldn't mind seeing both of them gone at the end of the season. If they only win around 65 games, that could happen. That's why I'm rooting against them this year. It's for the good of the franchise.

Ahh a true fan.

I may not like either of them, but I'll always root for the team.

JDOldSchool · 04-15-2005, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MogulChamp

Well he only played in 82 games in 2004 and was hampered by injuries. Also, about half of those games were in Montreal, not exactly a place where he is going to get motivated. You may want to look at his 2003 numbers. .287 28HR 92rbi .510 slg in 147 games. I'll take those numbers for 4 million any day.

2003 was Everett's only full, healthy season since 2000. There's no reason to expect a 33 year old who has had a history of not being healthy to be A) productive or B) healthy.

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Well I know you have a love affair with Gload, but he just plain sucks. His power numbers are crap for a LF. And if you can't have power, you damn sure better be able to play some defense. Especially the way this team is built this season. His numbers last year: 110 games 7HR 16 doubles. Not very spectacular for a LF.

It's not a love affair. It's playing off a joke on this boards. But in all seriousness, he's a solid hitter. Seven home runs in 234 at bats isn't great, but he can hit 20 with everyday playing time. And, ya know, Scott Podsednik doesn't have power OR defense. He won't have a .375 OBP like Gload did, either. And, since the White Sox have five guys in the lineup who hit 20+ homers last year (and the combination of Thomas/Everett is worth 30), Gload doesn't need to put up Lee power numbers. You conveniently overlook his 16 doubles. A .479 slugging percentage is quite powerful.

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Ahh a true fan.

I may not like either of them, but I'll always root for the team.

There's no point in rooting for another 84 win, second place season. I'm tired of that. Kenny Williams is the icon for mediocrity. He took a 95-win team and has given us teams of 83, 81, 86, and 83 wins. This team shouldn't crack 80 with an offense that is dead last in on-base percentage and a pitching staff that has 7 or 8 "ifs."

batted balls · 04-15-2005, 03:36 PM

You may fault Kenny Williams. In fact, I haven't liked some of his trades; the ill-fated Todd Ritchie comes to mind. Yet, Williams has made the effort to improve the team. Ron Schueler, who preceeded Williams, had a track record for doing very little. Williams also has to be creative because the Sox are never going to go after a big free agent like a Beltran or A-Rod. Williams' deals have depleted much of the farm system (trading away Jeremy Reed will haunt the Sox in my humble opinion). The jury is still out on the long-term impact of Williams' run as GM. This year and perhaps the next two or three most likely will determine the way White Sox fans and history remember his time.

Jestor · 04-15-2005, 04:31 PM

Went to Fever Pitch with a buddy of mine this afternoon.

He's a Cubs/Brewers fan, I'm a White Sox fan.

I was all like "They should be playing Gload more often, man."

"...Why?"

"Because you can not deny the greatness that is the Gload."

"He's ****. I saw him in his first major league game and he was ****."

"That was only his first game. The path to Gloadvana requires more than just one step."

"Okay first of all, I want whatever you're smoking. Second of all, he's nothing more than a glorified pinch hitter."

"You will pay for blaspheming his name, for Gload is God."

"....Whatever, dude, whatever."

What really bugs me is that I'm in Southeastern Wisconsin... so close, yet so far away. Our television games are all Cubs/Brewers. No White Sox

<o> · 04-16-2005, 03:50 PM

Holy ****. Buerhle must have had 3pm tee time. 1:39 and he struck out 12. Just a fab game from Marky Mark. P.K. with his league leading 6th bomb. Someone might want to check to see if he's juicing.

Jestor · 04-16-2005, 04:56 PM

I just missed seeing the game on WGN

Oh well, at least I know we get WGN and I'll be able to watch Sox games when they're on that station

Edit: Oh, and GO WHITE SOX!

MogulChamp · 04-17-2005, 02:14 AM

Ahh..Just got done watching my tape of the game. Mark looked awesome. Career high 12 k's. If not for Ichiro he'd have had a no-hitter. And I am pretty sure Konerko just took the league lead in HR with 7.

We've also won every series so far. Let's hope it continues

eriqjaffe · 04-18-2005, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MogulChamp

Ahh..Just got done watching my tape of the game. Mark looked awesome. Career high 12 k's. If not for Ichiro he'd have had a no-hitter. And I am pretty sure Konerko just took the league lead in HR with 7.

We've also won every series so far. Let's hope it continues

While I can't complain about winning two out of every three, I just have to wonder what the Sox have to do to get a freaking sweep.

Mark Buehrle is one of the most under-rated pitchers in the game.

Unoriginal Name · 04-18-2005, 09:28 AM

Lohse against Contreras tonight. Hopefully Contreras can bounce back from his last outing and not give up so many walks.

Urth · 04-18-2005, 10:06 AM

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While I can't complain about winning two out of every three, I just have to wonder what the Sox have to do to get a freaking sweep.

Mark Buehrle is one of the most under-rated pitchers in the game.

Well, if we win every series this year, then I could live without any sweeps. And who is this Pablo Ozuna guy that seems to be subbing for everyone? Was he a minor leaguer who ran out of options, or what? I ask because (to me) he appeared from nowhere, never being mentioned as a ChiSox prospect.

Unoriginal Name · 04-18-2005, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Urth

Well, if we win every series this year, then I could live without any sweeps. And who is this Pablo Ozuna guy that seems to be subbing for everyone? Was he a minor leaguer who ran out of options, or what? I ask because (to me) he appeared from nowhere, never being mentioned as a ChiSox prospect.

I don't know if he's out of options or not, but he did have a really good spring.

eriqjaffe · 04-18-2005, 04:03 PM

Ozuna is a utilityman who played parts of three seasons with Florida and Colorado as a middle infielder and occasional centerfielder. He was signed to a minor league contract by the Sox back in January, and he put up a monster spring, putting up a .527 batting average.

JDOldSchool · 04-18-2005, 04:31 PM

Does anybody here know what Ozzie said yesterday about Thomas? Apparently he brought up some old issues and beat writers are making a big deal out of it.

I'm not in Chicago now so I have missed the uproar. What happened?

eriqjaffe · 04-18-2005, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Does anybody here know what Ozzie said yesterday about Thomas? Apparently he brought up some old issues and beat writers are making a big deal out of it.

I'm not in Chicago now so I have missed the uproar. What happened?

Here ya go!

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Never shy about expressing his opinion, White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen called injured designated hitter Frank Thomas "a big part of the bad attitude'' on the team last season and said Thomas will notice a difference when he rejoins the Sox in May or June after rehabilitating his fractured left ankle.

"It will be good to have him here because he'll see the winning attitude we have now,'' Guillen said Sunday. ''He was part of the bad attitude before. Frankly, he was a big part of the bad attitude.

''Now, he can see how we're handling stuff, why we're not whining every day, why we hit after day games and everybody is happy. I want Frank to be part of this thing.''

Link to full article

QuestGAV · 04-18-2005, 05:45 PM

Wow, too bad he held back like that. He should tell the media how he really feels about Thomas.

JDOldSchool · 04-18-2005, 07:05 PM

Ohhhh, so THAT is why Ozzie was so upset/angry.

He wasn't referring to last year, he was referring to the old Frank. Basically, what he was talking about was old news. Williams was on the radio today talking about that.

Once again the Chicago media makes up news. Shocking that it makes Thomas look bad.

tim_uwrf · 04-18-2005, 07:59 PM

Good luck this two game series, guys. Lohse and Radke (I think) should pitch well, but if you're gonna win a game, it will be against Lohse tonight. Both teams are hot and another early season series will really light the fire beneath the butts of all players.

tim_uwrf · 04-18-2005, 08:00 PM

P.S. If you guys start a blog, be sure to let me know and I'll link from mine.

eriqjaffe · 04-19-2005, 09:33 AM

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Good luck this two game series, guys. Lohse and Radke (I think) should pitch well, but if you're gonna win a game, it will be against Lohse tonight. Both teams are hot and another early season series will really light the fire beneath the butts of all players.

Well, you're right after one game. It's going to be El Duque vs. Radke tonight...hopefully Hernandez can bounce back from his shaky start last time...

And hopefully Carl Everett will continue to freaking crush the ball.

04-15-2005, 03:36 PM	#24
batted balls All Star Starter Join Date: May 2003 Location: White Sox Country Posts: 1,323	Kenny Williams Tenure as GM You may fault Kenny Williams. In fact, I haven't liked some of his trades; the ill-fated Todd Ritchie comes to mind. Yet, Williams has made the effort to improve the team. Ron Schueler, who preceeded Williams, had a track record for doing very little. Williams also has to be creative because the Sox are never going to go after a big free agent like a Beltran or A-Rod. Williams' deals have depleted much of the farm system (trading away Jeremy Reed will haunt the Sox in my humble opinion). The jury is still out on the long-term impact of Williams' run as GM. This year and perhaps the next two or three most likely will determine the way White Sox fans and history remember his time.

04-18-2005, 04:03 PM	#33
eriqjaffe Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under The Christmas Fish Posts: 7,770	Ozuna is a utilityman who played parts of three seasons with Florida and Colorado as a middle infielder and occasional centerfielder. He was signed to a minor league contract by the Sox back in January, and he put up a monster spring, putting up a .527 batting average. __________________

04-18-2005, 04:31 PM	#34
JDOldSchool Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,023	Guillen's comments on Thomas? Does anybody here know what Ozzie said yesterday about Thomas? Apparently he brought up some old issues and beat writers are making a big deal out of it. I'm not in Chicago now so I have missed the uproar. What happened?

04-17-2005, 02:14 AM	#28
MogulChamp All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 656	Ahh..Just got done watching my tape of the game. Mark looked awesome. Career high 12 k's. If not for Ichiro he'd have had a no-hitter. And I am pretty sure Konerko just took the league lead in HR with 7. We've also won every series so far. Let's hope it continues

04-18-2005, 09:28 AM	#30
Unoriginal Name Minors (Double A) Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 184	Lohse against Contreras tonight. Hopefully Contreras can bounce back from his last outing and not give up so many walks.

04-18-2005, 05:45 PM	#36
QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,010	Wow, too bad he held back like that. He should tell the media how he really feels about Thomas.

04-18-2005, 07:05 PM	#37
JDOldSchool Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,023	Ohhhh, so THAT is why Ozzie was so upset/angry. He wasn't referring to last year, he was referring to the old Frank. Basically, what he was talking about was old news. Williams was on the radio today talking about that. Once again the Chicago media makes up news. Shocking that it makes Thomas look bad.

04-18-2005, 07:59 PM	#38
tim_uwrf Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Field of Dreams Posts: 1,998	Good luck this two game series, guys. Lohse and Radke (I think) should pitch well, but if you're gonna win a game, it will be against Lohse tonight. Both teams are hot and another early season series will really light the fire beneath the butts of all players.

04-18-2005, 08:00 PM	#39
tim_uwrf Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Field of Dreams Posts: 1,998	P.S. If you guys start a blog, be sure to let me know and I'll link from mine.