Reliever rating is too low

[texasmame]

Originally Posted by Pelican

This is fascinating, and confusing to me, as I use 1-100 ratings.

Same. I see the "40-80" scale referenced in a thread and I'm out.

[Pelican]

It's actually based on the historical 20-80 ratings scale used by scouts in the past. That never made much sense to me, and I was pleased to find that OOTP allows a switch to the decimal 1-100 scale, and even allows you to choose increments of 5 or 1. I use the single digits, understanding the seemingly precise numbers are just scouting evaluations dependent on the scout's skill and the criteria you tell him to use. So, yeah, the complaints about the 20-80 scale don't translate well to the decimal scale, and it's hard to share in the fun.

[OutS|der]

No matter the ratings scale unless you're judging players based on position not reliever should ever be highly rated.
Even using 1-100 any reliever rated say at 75 means they are as valuable as a player rated that high when they aren't

[tktkrtktkr]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

This is actually as it should be…delivers irl are not usually rated very high overall. A 60 would likely be the best in the league. This is merely more closely reflecting reality, and it’s a good thing.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=355507

The problem I'm talking about has nothing to do with a realistic reliever's OVR valuation. In 25, relievers still have high OVR and you could notice this by looking at 2024 season and historical games. (e.g. Edwin Díaz 80, Pete Fairbanks 78..)

The reason why overall rating of relievers in league decreases is because the quality of relievers actually decreases over time.

[tktkrtktkr]

Originally Posted by CBLCardinals

This 100%


Back around Opening Day, Baseball America posted current grades for all teams starting 9, top 5 starting pitchers, and top 3 relief pitchers.
I rolled it up below.


The 2 highest RP in all MLB are 60’s
I’d have to check but I believe it was Josh Hader, and Devin Williams.

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=355507

The problem I'm talking about has nothing to do with a realistic reliever's OVR valuation. In 25, relievers still have high OVR and you could notice this by looking at 2024 season and historical games. (e.g. Edwin Díaz 80, Pete Fairbanks 78..)

The reason why overall rating of relievers in league decreases is because the quality of relievers actually decreases over time.

[jcard]

Originally Posted by tktkrtktkr

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=355507

The problem I'm talking about has nothing to do with a realistic reliever's OVR valuation. In 25, relievers still have high OVR and you could notice this by looking at 2024 season and historical games. (e.g. Edwin Díaz 80, Pete Fairbanks 78..)

The reason why overall rating of relievers in league decreases is because the quality of relievers actually decreases over time.

If you have the inclination and opportunity, I was wondering if you had any general observations as to:

1) The distribution of displayed MLB-relative ratings for these pitching attributes as their absolute ratings generally fell and compressed.

2) The level and distribution of statistical performance as the absolute ratings for the attributes collectively declined.

In any event, thanks again for the initial information.

[SirMichaelJordan]

Originally Posted by tktkrtktkr

https://forums.ootpdevelopments.com/...d.php?t=355507

The problem I'm talking about has nothing to do with a realistic reliever's OVR valuation. In 25, relievers still have high OVR and you could notice this by looking at 2024 season and historical games. (e.g. Edwin Díaz 80, Pete Fairbanks 78..)

The reason why overall rating of relievers in league decreases is because the quality of relievers actually decreases over time.

The problem is that you are comparing game-created players to hand-crafted players. This year, they are just getting on the same level playing field with the update to how attributes are handled, but even hand-crafted players are still prone to being over/underrated. Also, AI will turn weak SP into RP and RP who happened to get or improve a 3rd pitch (which has more now than ever) into SP, which we don't account for with the Hand-crated pitchers in that sample. A more accurate sample would be to do a study that includes only fictional players and see how that compares as the game progresses.

The graphs look identical with slight variance considering the sample size.

Below is K/9 for a saved simulated 600+ years into the future with filters that include current and retired players.

[tailgtr24]

Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

The problem is that you are comparing game-created players to hand-crafted players. This year, they are just getting on the same level playing field with the update to how attributes are handled, but even hand-crafted players are still prone to being over/underrated. Also, AI will turn weak SP into RP and RP who happened to get or improve a 3rd pitch (which has more now than ever) into SP, which we don't account for with the Hand-crated pitchers in that sample. A more accurate sample would be to do a study that includes only fictional players and see how that compares as the game progresses.

The graphs look identical with slight variance considering the sample size.

Below is K/9 for a saved simulated 600+ years into the future with filters that include current and retired players.

What I've noticed is that league wide totals continue to fall around the settings behind the curtain, but the range of ,for example strikeouts, has tightened drastically. I'm noticing SP with high k/9 have dropped 1 or more. RP also have experienced a similar drop. We can debate all day on RP value, but what is happening is the league wide K's are remaining the same but are being distributed to pitchers who historically haven't been strikeout pitchers. Teams are artificially being pulled to a range set by the game rather than basing outcomes on the makeup of a roster.



This is a problem for online leagues and long time solo ones.


I've attached one of the better pitchers in my league, showing the 2073 season as OOTP 25 and 2071-2072 as OOTP 24.

[jcard]

Originally Posted by tailgtr24

What I've noticed is that league wide totals continue to fall around the settings behind the curtain, but the range of ,for example strikeouts, has tightened drastically. I'm noticing SP with high k/9 have dropped 1 or more. RP also have experienced a similar drop. We can debate all day on RP value, but what is happening is the league wide K's are remaining the same but are being distributed to pitchers who historically haven't been strikeout pitchers. Teams are artificially being pulled to a range set by the game rather than basing outcomes on the makeup of a roster.



This is a problem for online leagues and long time solo ones.


I've attached one of the better pitchers in my league, showing the 2073 season as OOTP 25 and 2071-2072 as OOTP 24.

Also interesting to see that all of his component ratings decreased, while his Overall and Potential ratings went up by a full star each. It would seem to indicate a league-wide decrease in high pitching ratings (such that his lower ratings were still now better relative to his peers).

Side note: It is too bad that the displayed order of either seasonal statistics or scouting reports cannot be reversed; instead, when studying trends in each, one has to remain mindful that their respective chronologies proceed in opposite directions.