Pack will be a lot harder to earn unless you pay

[PunishedF2P]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The problem is the 4 daily slots are worth a fraction of what the quick slots are to a casual player.

This is only true for the first month or two of the season, and then it's the opposite and quick tourneys are only worth a fraction of daily/weekly tourneys. Even when quick tourneys previously rewarded 10 and 5 packs (which was nerfed last year), they were only worth focusing on for the first couple months as a F2P.

By that point you should have at least competitive tourney rosters for everything diamond and lower - and with a competitive roster, the rewards are so much better for playing daily and weekly. Averaging 100K a week in rewards from daily/weekly/PD tourneys (with large swings bringing about that average, of course) is a reasonable expectation if you're doing it right, and it can be a lot more than that the further in the year we get.

And that's with way less time and attention needed. As compared to 70 packs a week (70K value) from grinding out quick tourneys.

I think you're just playing the game incorrectly if your goal is to maximize rewards from tourneys.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by Hwilensky

If they could have made it fit, I am sure that they would have. It has nothing with them being ashamed.

As far as how they have made harder. Look at the post above. Since OOTP 23, we have seen the tournament packs reduced from 10/5 to 3/1. We have seen the quick tournament slots reduced from 3 to 2. Forcing us to play PD, which is fine, but they fill up so quickly, you can't even play those. I work all day, by the time I get home, they are all filled. So I am forced to rely on the 2 quicks, and pray that I win. So its either be happy with my 2 packs that I may or may not get or buy PP.

1st point about the Perfect Point Purchase Page. Yes, they all fit, so yes they must be ashamed of it. The 2nd page where the $500 buy is, has all the options of the first page as well. All this will do is piss off those who don't see the 2nd page until after they bought the $99 offer 5 times...

I see your point about tournaments though. Back to 3/1 double elim for quicks, and the dailies will fill up faster than ever. Big UGH. Not sure how that favors the player who buys perfect points, though. They'll have the same problem getting in.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by PunishedF2P

This is only true for the first month or two of the season, and then it's the opposite and quick tourneys are only worth a fraction of daily/weekly tourneys. Even when quick tourneys previously rewarded 10 and 5 packs (which was nerfed last year), they were only worth focusing on for the first couple months as a F2P.

By that point you should have at least competitive tourney rosters for everything diamond and lower - and with a competitive roster, the rewards are so much better for playing daily and weekly. Averaging 100K a week in rewards from daily/weekly/PD tourneys (with large swings bringing about that average, of course) is a reasonable expectation if you're doing it right, and it can be a lot more than that the further in the year we get.

And that's with way less time and attention needed. As compared to 70 packs a week (70K value) from grinding out quick tourneys.

I think you're just playing the game incorrectly if your goal is to maximize rewards from tourneys.

This may be true in the past but now it will take longer for someone not willing to pay extra to get a team good enough for the dailies to become +EV. The best way in the past to do that was grind the 3-4 daily slots, earn packs, flip those for PP, get a few lucky pulls, missions, and the auction house. Now that we only have 2 slots for quicks your timeline becomes truncated.


I get it, they want people to pay, I'm not faulting them, it just dilutes the game for people who aren't willing to.

[Hwilensky]

Not only that, but I just got home from work right now, and every single PD slot is full. EVERY ONE!! If I am playing with 3 teams, I am now relegated to just 2 quicks. Because it is impossible to enter anything else. At least with the quicks, I used to enter a minimum of 6 quicks a day for a chance to win packs. Now its reduced to 4. Now I play 3 teams, and to fully take advantage of the four "extra" slots, I have to have 3 different types of tournament teams(iron, bronze, silver for example), be around the computer all day for the slim chance to enter a daily and hope that I win. The only other way to get packs faster is to spend the money to get packs faster...just crazy the direction this game has taken..

[Ty Cobb]

Gaming, like life on the Serengeti, requires you to adapt, migrate, or die based solely on the choices you make. Enjoy PT for what it is—a game. Each year I remind myself, "You're not going to win at Perfect Level." Then, no longer hamstrung by autogenic pressures, I spend my time enjoying the game.

A Free Play Gold WS win is to me better than a paying Perfect win.

[gustoes]

Originally Posted by Lathum

This may be true in the past but now it will take longer for someone not willing to pay extra to get a team good enough for the dailies to become +EV. The best way in the past to do that was grind the 3-4 daily slots, earn packs, flip those for PP, get a few lucky pulls, missions, and the auction house. Now that we only have 2 slots for quicks your timeline becomes truncated.


I get it, they want people to pay, I'm not faulting them, it just dilutes the game for people who aren't willing to.

I'm FTP. I agree quicks are fun especially on my off days... but if you get your daily/weekly slots rolling, there is usually a couple going every day along with your two quicks that keep you engaged and win some packs. Outside of iron and bronze... try exploring some of the CAP tournaments.. you can often surprise yourself with just a few good cards because everyone has the same cap limit. I have no perfect cards, no diamond, nothing special and came 2nd in the open cap 1500. Even as the studs and duds fully fill out from the top teams, you can mirror since you're going after 9 solid position starters and 4 good sp's... the rest floor fillers that are affordable.
Daily/weekly placements are also critical for the ptcs possibilities.. which are crucial for FTP to have a spin at some big rewards.

[Hwilensky]

Originally Posted by bailey

1st point about the Perfect Point Purchase Page. Yes, they all fit, so yes they must be ashamed of it. The 2nd page where the $500 buy is, has all the options of the first page as well. All this will do is piss off those who don't see the 2nd page until after they bought the $99 offer 5 times...

I see your point about tournaments though. Back to 3/1 double elim for quicks, and the dailies will fill up faster than ever. Big UGH. Not sure how that favors the player who buys perfect points, though. They'll have the same problem getting in.

It favors the player who buys their points because they can get the cards they want or need. Where someone like me depends on getting their cards by winning quick tournaments or tournaments in general, and winning pack/s. If I can't get into tournaments, and I cant get into dailies/weeklies, I am not generating packs.

[Fabtron7]

I know that people love to lament the plight of the F2P player but I can tell you as a someone who isn't F2P they took away some really key ways to spend money this year.

If anything this game really leans into the people that treat this game like a part time job and rake in fat stacks through data collecting and modelling (and hey if you're going to put in that much work you better win...), but I think a lot of those guys are incorrectly mislabeled as "whales". The Calculus Club are the guys that don't have to put money into the game because they scoop so many high-end tournament rewards and then liquidated them for points... but they aren't "whales". So really this year they've just made it a better environment for the blood and sweat guys more than the whales, which I guess is fine...?

[Cowboys3356]

There is always a way to win without paying the big money, I like to explore and learn these secrets!!

[LeeD]

Originally Posted by Cowboys3356

There is always a way to win without paying the big money, I like to explore and learn these secrets!!

True. My #1 team spent 40 of 52 weeks in Diamond last year without spending anything beyond game purchase and PT+ for three months. It can be done, and FTP players who are better than I am even get to Perfect. Difficult. Not impossible.

[daves]

Originally Posted by LeeD

True. My #1 team spent 40 of 52 weeks in Diamond last year without spending anything beyond game purchase and PT+ for three months. It can be done, and FTP players who are better than I am even get to Perfect. Difficult. Not impossible.

Isn't paying for PT+ mean you are not FTP since you paid a monthly fee?

[LeeD]

Originally Posted by daves

Isn't paying for PT+ mean you are not FTP since you paid a monthly fee?

I suppose, but that anomaly has been removed this year.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by daves

Isn't paying for PT+ mean you are not FTP since you paid a monthly fee?

You can make that argument but the ROI on PT+ was well worth it, which is why I suspect they took it away

[Hwilensky]

Originally Posted by Lathum

You can make that argument but the ROI on PT+ was well worth it, which is why I suspect they took it away

Absolutley!! It was free money for little work. If 500 people were paying for it, thats $3500 a month, and all you may have done is work 2 extra hours, opening up tournament spots, and creating rewards, which most of the time were packs. More likely than not, the whales complained...and they listened.

[obseen]

Originally Posted by Hwilensky

Absolutley!! It was free money for little work. If 500 people were paying for it, thats $3500 a month, and all you may have done is work 2 extra hours, opening up tournament spots, and creating rewards, which most of the time were packs. More likely than not, the whales complained...and they listened.

Based on the entry pool I was in where the top team early afternoon ET on release Friday was all perfect cards with a few high diamonds, I would say this is a drop in the bucket

[HRBaker]

Since it was creating income, there has to be a good reason they dropped it. I highly doubt it was because F2P by definition doesn't spend money. The business model is to make money, not worry about F2P definitions.

My guess is either they didn't sell enough to make the maintenance worth the trouble, or it was somehow affecting the process for P2P players. I had plans to buy into it for 6 months again, but I guess I'll have to do without.

I still think PT for F2P players is a 6 month entertainment ticket. After that it becomes a chore, but it doesn't affect the business model. I'm resigned to the reality that the company has to make money, so I'll find a way to play given my financial limits/wishes.

[Kushiel]

I bought the full year on release last year and would have again. To be honest, I am quite angry about the loss of PT+ and the new tournament slots.

[Lathum]

I am also learning that some of the daily 64 team tournaments only pay the top 8 slots. Thats ridiculous.

[daves]

Originally Posted by Lathum

You can make that argument but the ROI on PT+ was well worth it, which is why I suspect they took it away

I see your point. Doubling the login rewards, 50% more points and the rainbow rewards in the end were worth it.

You received extra tournament spots, but this time you have enough spots without PT+. Just not enough tournaments right now.


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[Hwilensky]

It may also have to do with the dwindling numbers of the people playing...as it stands now there are only 5400 teams. I guess they are trying to squeeze the last bit of juice out of those that play.