Really Stupid Question

[LeeD]

Originally Posted by Hwilensky

This year I only spent money on PT Plus, for the extra tournament slot, since the screwed everyone over on the rewards. Going from 10/5 to 3/1 was a blatant kick in the face, and they should rot in hell for it. lol That being said, i did enjoy the extra points it gave for achievements. But other than that, I will be a casual player next year. Let the 50 people that pay thousands of dollars fund the game. A game that had over 57000 teams last year is down to 22,000. Only going to get smaller, as they haven't learned their lesson.

I was also super pissed about the tournament rewards downgrade. Given the number of missions that require tournament cards, it's obvious that they want us playing dailies and weeklies.

The outrageous number of card releases and mission paths is what really kicks it, though. It SEEMS like there are many more opportunities for improvement, but reality is that all of the PeL teams and three to five teams in each Diamond league will have everything by Friday...so it's really just planned obsolescence on steroids, an attempt to rewrite the meta on a weekly to biweekly basis in order to keep the whales spending.

[Hwilensky]

Originally Posted by LeeD

I was also super pissed about the tournament rewards downgrade. Given the number of missions that require tournament cards, it's obvious that they want us playing dailies and weeklies.

The outrageous number of card releases and mission paths is what really kicks it, though. It SEEMS like there are many more opportunities for improvement, but reality is that all of the PeL teams and three to five teams in each Diamond league will have everything by Friday...so it's really just planned obsolescence on steroids, an attempt to rewrite the meta on a weekly to biweekly basis in order to keep the whales spending.

Agreed!!! I am playing in a diamond league, that in my division and the division in the other conference that I have to play, teams have a combined 27 diamond league championships. The four teams that had all those championships, also had all those missions completed within 5 hours of release. Hell, I just finished the immortal missions. hahaha. So I will just have fun with what I have.

[PunishedF2P]

Originally Posted by Hwilensky

Agreed!!! I am playing in a diamond league, that in my division and the division in the other conference that I have to play, teams have a combined 27 diamond league championships. The four teams that had all those championships, also had all those missions completed within 5 hours of release. Hell, I just finished the immortal missions. hahaha. So I will just have fun with what I have.

I'm F2P and I completed all the new Baseball Ref 4 missions and the Deadball Exclusive mission set in the first few hours. You don't have to be a whale to do that - you just had to buy all the cards after they went down in price a bit; there was a ton of time for this one. The hard ones are like the last NL set, when the cards are released with the missions.

[bdawg]

Originally Posted by PunishedF2P

I'm F2P and I completed all the new Baseball Ref 4 missions and the Deadball Exclusive mission set in the first few hours. You don't have to be a whale to do that - you just had to buy all the cards after they went down in price a bit; there was a ton of time for this one. The hard ones are like the last NL set, when the cards are released with the missions.

Nice, I envy you guys :P

I don't know how you guys do these missions without some luck. I've gotten no luck in mission pack pulls at all this year, perfects I've gotten mostly worth the minimum or up to maybe 50k. I did pull a Campanella yesterday, prob my best pull. But I've never found the reward for selling the 100-rated players from player missions to be worth what I'd have to pay for the mission cards required to complete the missions and get them. So I don't get the "PT strategy" folks like to tout - those cards are worth 20K now and most diamonds required to get them run about 4-8K each. It doesn't work unless you're hawking the card shop 12 hours a day and looking for the best deals (my buy orders almost never get fulfilled unless I put them several K over Last-10 value).

It's funny seeing everyone play this game like they're all New York City diamond jewelers trying to squeeze out every last penny from each person for diamond chips that are worth almost nothing. I find it boring to watch my teams rotting in Gold and the rare occasion moving up to Diamond for a season, and I have too much going on in life and can't sit on the card shop 12 hours a day selling all of my iron players for 5-10 extra PP above minimum. It feels like Perfect Team is for whales who don't mind throwing down $300 or for people who spend all their time hawking even their janky cards or who have the tourney strategy mastered.

I acknowledge I must be missing some of the strategy, as I can't seem to win tournaments or perfect drafts (occasionally I do alright) so I never get card returns from those. So I accept some of the blame there. But the strategy doesn't always follow the stats, and I see cards that perform better than their card ratings show they should. So the strategy seems somewhat arbitrary. I shrug.

[Hwilensky]

Originally Posted by bdawg

Nice, I envy you guys :P


It's funny seeing everyone play this game like they're all New York City diamond jewelers trying to squeeze out every last penny from each person for diamond chips that are worth almost nothing. I find it boring to watch my teams rotting in Gold and the rare occasion moving up to Diamond for a season, and I have too much going on in life and can't sit on the card shop 12 hours a day selling all of my iron players for 5-10 extra PP above minimum. It feels like Perfect Team is for whales who don't mind throwing down $300 or for people who spend all their time hawking even their janky cards or who have the tourney strategy mastered.

Love this analogy, especially being from NY. I am actually torn over the auction house. As a seller, I loved the old auction house system, but as a buyer I like the new one. My gripes with the auction house is the least of my issues.

[LeeD]

Originally Posted by bdawg

Nice, I envy you guys :P

I don't know how you guys do these missions without some luck. I've gotten no luck in mission pack pulls at all this year, perfects I've gotten mostly worth the minimum or up to maybe 50k. I did pull a Campanella yesterday, prob my best pull. But I've never found the reward for selling the 100-rated players from player missions to be worth what I'd have to pay for the mission cards required to complete the missions and get them. So I don't get the "PT strategy" folks like to tout - those cards are worth 20K now and most diamonds required to get them run about 4-8K each. It doesn't work unless you're hawking the card shop 12 hours a day and looking for the best deals (my buy orders almost never get fulfilled unless I put them several K over Last-10 value).

It's funny seeing everyone play this game like they're all New York City diamond jewelers trying to squeeze out every last penny from each person for diamond chips that are worth almost nothing. I find it boring to watch my teams rotting in Gold and the rare occasion moving up to Diamond for a season, and I have too much going on in life and can't sit on the card shop 12 hours a day selling all of my iron players for 5-10 extra PP above minimum. It feels like Perfect Team is for whales who don't mind throwing down $300 or for people who spend all their time hawking even their janky cards or who have the tourney strategy mastered.

I acknowledge I must be missing some of the strategy, as I can't seem to win tournaments or perfect drafts (occasionally I do alright) so I never get card returns from those. So I accept some of the blame there. But the strategy doesn't always follow the stats, and I see cards that perform better than their card ratings show they should. So the strategy seems somewhat arbitrary. I shrug.

Yes, there's a lot of arbitrage going on in the card shop. It's obvious when you see multiple buy orders at 60-70% of L10 and then see the sell orders at 130%. This is probably a successful strategy for those who are doing it, but I would find it flat-out boring. Guess that's why I'm not a hedge fund manager.

Live irons just plain suck. Most of my rosters are full of duplicates (like, hundreds of them), and I don't have the patience to list them for 17PP in order to bring in an extra 10 in sale value. Since I'm sitting in Diamond or Gold leagues, the extra 2000 or so PP this would bring in is practically meaningless. When it gets out of hand, I just quick sell.

[rburgh]

Play quick tournaments throughout the day.


Log in to the various OOTP-related twitch streams and use browser add-ins to claim the packs from the twitch drops.


During the regular MLB season, take advantage of the monthly MLB Live card revaluations to make extra PP's. Some of the successful ones claim to make several million PP's over the 6 month season.


Buy multiple copies of historical cards that are likely to be involved in future missions. This year with the P Elite missions was the first time that most of the live cards got a bump in value after the season ended.


Wait until a couple of months after the live missions are introduced before starting them - in June you can usually do most of the missions buying irons for single digits and bronzes for the high 20's, so selling the toppers can make you good cash.


In the AH you will often see a 1001 bid for a gold and a 4001 bid for a diamond. Those are the arb guys trying to add to their inventory. I never sell to them, if you quicksell the card you just get 1000 for a gold and 4000 for a diamond. But you also get 1000 for selling a gold for 1111 because of the 10% tax, and the number for a diamond is 4444 and a perfect it's 22,222. So I don't help my competition get free PPs from me by selling to them at a price that gains me nothing so they can resell the cards,


The +/- 30% bandwidth is simply because the card shop is relatively illiquid. The NYSE has hundreds of thousands of transactions every day, so the bid-ask bandwidth is small. But here, a particularly rare perfect card might not sell more often than once a week, so the bandwidth can be gigantic.