St. Louis Cardinals Score screen team color

[koohead]

@TruColor appreciate you coming on here to explain this in detail. I am by far not an expert on color codes and how to represent real life colors in digital format so have relied heavily on the eye test over the years to decide what I like better.
to the OP apologize for hijacking the thread but glad you finally got your answer while the rest of us debated codes :P

[TruColor]

We could get really crazy with all of this, but the Phillies (and Cardinals, Reds, Nationals, et al) match to this Pantone Textile color for fabrics:

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by TruColor

OK...I'm here now.

The best way to describe what I do is that I take the official Pantone colors and display the current RGB, Hex and CMYK values for that particular color value. These values are provided by Pantone, and they represent the closest simulation for reproducing their colors on screen or in print.

It gets complicated, but the reason why you will see discrepancies is due to differences in the color profiles that designers use, the color space they are working in, or the designers will adjust the RGB or CMYK values for some reason. In my mind, these colors are no longer accurate to Pantone specifications.

Yes the Phillies, Reds, Cardinals, Nationals, etc. all use PANTONE 200 C for their Red. There are precise specs for reproducing that color:



This is a spot color, meaning it is defined by the formula ink mix; which is in this case, 73.90% Rubine Red, 24.60% Yellow, and 1.5% Black. RGB/Hex and CMYK are just meant to be approximations of that color. When vendors and manufacturers match to their threads and textiles, they match to the Pantone color - NOT (in most cases anyway) the RGB/Hex or CMYK values. The RGB.Hex and CMYK values can vary from application to application because they are simulations of that color.

Yes, these teams often will provide different definitions of how they want to display PANTONE 200 C, but once you start tweaking the RGB, it no longer matches the source value. Pantone values are the "source of truth" when it comes to color matching.

With my databases, I store EVERYTHING. I do store all of these "custom" RGB/Hex and CMYK values, along with the Pantone values. If provided, I store all textile, thread, twill, etc. information as well.

These other sites are mostly estimating colors, or just displaying these custom values. The point of my site is to provide an apples-to-apples comparison of colors. Those 200 C teams I listed above may use different RGB/Hex values to define their colors, but also keep in mind that they are all matching their textiles, thread colors, etc. to 200 C. They all use the same matches.

I've made it clear (or at least, I thought I was making it clear) that when I estimate a color, I put asterisks (*) in front of the color. EVERYTHING else is confirmed/official. I have about a half a terabyte of vector graphics and connections all over the sports graphics world that I network with. I have spent over 30 years of my life compiling this info, and I take great pride in its accuracy.

Very interesting and thank you for the explanation..I have been using your site for years, and love it very much!! This is a very interesting discussion.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by kq76

I'm confused by your last post. Colorwerx is his old site and last I checked the new owners of it don't do what he does.

And yes, I do think they could all be using the same colour. They're likely getting the fabric from the same company, or limited companies, and I wouldn't be surprised if they're not given the full gamut of colours as available options.

I also wouldn't necessarily trust the official team websites over an independent person either. Whoever is putting the team websites together probably isn't nearly as picky as a guy who devotes so much time and effort over so many years to his own website.

If you trust other sources more, okay, that's fine. I just offered it up as a source I trust.

Yes, excuse me for calling it ColorWerx...it is now TrueColor. That's how long I have been using his site for logos. LOL