The Future of OOTP

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Which is why, like FM, it has to go off site. Handle it through PM's, emails, or whatever social media you decide on, and all will be fine. As I said, "They just can't share it here or talk about it here. FM has the same issue with certain leagues and also can't (not won't, it's not their choice) allow it to be mentioned on their boards."

Making a mod for yourself is unchanged. Sharing it becomes a bit more difficult, I never said otherwise, but, it can still be done.

Edited to add the bolded part. Never know, they may forbid talking about it in PM's here.

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

The problem with this is there is still no way to advertise. I think we are going to need a website(s) dedicated to OOTP.

As I said, whatever social media you decide on. I'm not a social media guy and couldn't tell you the difference between tik tok, twitter, or discord and what they have to offer or how they are setup and maintained. The key is to find a spot with little cost (and in reality probably needs to be free) that can link users without being affiliated with OOTP Dev.

DJ_Jak_32 is asking if Discord might be the answer, so there's a place to start.

As I said earlier unless someone has the money to pay for a site a professionally kept place with the mods there to d'load isn't happening. A free site, like Discord (is it free?), for users to be able to share ideas and file links without restriction is what is needed. Probably easier to find to than a privately held site too?

Nothing has to be posted here other than "please join our user group on Discord to discuss OOTP". Word of mouth can handle it from there?

Originally Posted by DJ_Jak_32

Could Discord be the answer? I was a big fan of the old EA NCAA College Football series before they axed it after 2014 (yes I know it's coming back next year), but there is a channel of modders that brought it back with updated graphics and teams/conferences and players, so if there was enough interest one could be created that is not affiliated with OOTP that could share all the links to any mods that are created that cannot be endorsed by OOTP officially.

Could be. I tried out Axis Football this year and they have a presence on Discord. I went there to check it out and compared to a "good old forum" seems a bit scatterbrained. GET OFF MY LAWN But it must do something right as it is the way things are now.

[ohiodevil]

Yeah, Discord is free unless you want to pay for some bells and whistles, but I think those are more like emojis and other fluff.....I could be wrong, but I barely use Discord, in fact I use it for the same reason DJ mentioned, that NCAA Football mod/game.

I think if someone were to start an OOTP Mod/Fan Discord, people could just corroborate there for the mods and stuff and it would get out by word of mouth. I think there are still a good group of people that don't post much but lurk that could help out with this type of thing.....kinda reminds me of the "good old days" when we would have to wait for Cubby or Rolen's roster set and then sift through all the fights over ratings and missing players

[Syd Thrift]

There's already an OOTP Discord based off of the subreddit. There's a mod channel in there as well (as in game mods, not moderators) though it doesn't get used much.

[pauwoo]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

There's already an OOTP Discord based off of the subreddit. There's a mod channel in there as well (as in game mods, not moderators) though it doesn't get used much.

Isn’t it maintained by the developer?

[dishnet34]

Originally Posted by pauwoo

Isn’t it maintained by the developer?

Correct. And, as unfortunate as it is, we are monitoring for any [LEAGUE REDACTED] mods that are posted there just in case.


However, I'm personally not gonna stop anyone for creating an unofficial OOTP Mod discord for stuff.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by pauwoo

Isn’t it maintained by the developer?

Yeah, going to need something that is not affiliated with OOTP. IE FM has "sortitoutsi" and "FM Scout" as independent user created and maintained boards.

Might have to come up with a name that makes the independent OOTP user Discord easy to search for and find. Lot's of ways to go with baseball, something like "ootpbullpen"?

[pauwoo]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Lot's of ways to go with baseball, something like "ootpbullpen"?

I think “ootparmbarn” has a nice ring to it.

[PSUColonel]

We are gonna need a website…even if it’s not elaborate. It’s going to need a message forum, and a way to download files and such.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

We are gonna need a website…even if it’s not elaborate. It’s going to need a message forum, and a way to download files and such.

Good luck making it happen. I don't really know enough to comment on cost, time needed to maintain, monitor, etc.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by Sweed

Good luck making it happen. I don't really know enough to comment on cost, time needed to maintain, monitor, etc.

I don't either, and to be honest this isn't my thing...I am just saying, if we don't get a separate "fansite" it will be impossible to discuss or share trademarked mods, and OOTP as we know it will be changed.

It's funny to me though...for some reason it seemed easier years ago to get these types of things going...the interest level in modding really seems to have taken a hit.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I don't either, and to be honest this isn't my thing...I am just saying, if we don't get a separate "fansite" it will be impossible to discuss or share trademarked mods, and OOTP as we know it will be changed.

It's funny to me though...for some reason it seemed easier years ago to get these types of things going...the interest level in modding really seems to have taken a hit.

And that possible site is Discord. No cost and, from what others are saying, can do the job, discuss and share. Maybe as simple as that and a paid dropbox account (if some think a permanent warehouse of mods is needed) if someone wants to pay for it?

So far this has all come about because one unlicensed league has been removed. A totally independent mod site, while nice, would pretty much be a copy of what is available here and in the workshop. While a reaction to losing the *** is ok, I think, we've moved towards overreaction on possible solutions.

[CField17]

What I don’t understand is how they can just remove a portion from a game I’ve already paid for. I paid for that part of the game, and to remove it is not right.

[DJ_Jak_32]

Originally Posted by CField17

What I don’t understand is how they can just remove a portion from a game I’ve already paid for. I paid for that part of the game, and to remove it is not right.

It's rather simple.....OOTP did not have a license agreement with *** like they do with MLB, so *** came to them and said they cannot include any of their property in the game without an agreement, so unless they can come to an agreement on this, OOTP has to remove it from the game or they could face legal action.

And if you look at the product page, they only mention they are fully licensed by MLB and KBO, no other mentions of other leagues....so technically this is just a bonus they include. I remember when the game came with all fictional teams and players and we had to wait for roster sets to be released by users, be happy they have licenses for two of the bigger leagues, and you can add Japan back with a couple clicks or just import the mods that will be available.

[CField17]

Originally Posted by DJ_Jak_32

It's rather simple.....OOTP did not have a license agreement with *** like they do with MLB, so *** came to them and said they cannot include any of their property in the game without an agreement, so unless they can come to an agreement on this, OOTP has to remove it from the game or they could face legal action.

And if you look at the product page, they only mention they are fully licensed by MLB and KBO, no other mentions of other leagues....so technically this is just a bonus they include. I remember when the game came with all fictional teams and players and we had to wait for roster sets to be released by users, be happy they have licenses for two of the bigger leagues, and you can add Japan back with a couple clicks or just import the mods that will be available.

Gee, thanks for the explanation!

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by DJ_Jak_32

It's rather simple.....OOTP did not have a license agreement with *** like they do with MLB, so *** came to them and said they cannot include any of their property in the game without an agreement, so unless they can come to an agreement on this, OOTP has to remove it from the game or they could face legal action.

And if you look at the product page, they only mention they are fully licensed by MLB and KBO, no other mentions of other leagues....so technically this is just a bonus they include. I remember when the game came with all fictional teams and players and we had to wait for roster sets to be released by users, be happy they have licenses for two of the bigger leagues, and you can add Japan back with a couple clicks or just import the mods that will be available.

Probably another good argument for a subscription model to be implemented.

[pauwoo]

Originally Posted by DJ_Jak_32

you can add Japan back with a couple clicks.

queue up Can It Be All So Simple... the solution you seek is just a few mouse clicks away...

This wasn't a forced removal of the *** content - no one is required to patch their software. Of course, if you want all the PT & other goodness that comes with each patch, you'll have to take the good with the bad (assuming you are in the small percentage of players that is worried about losing the Hokkaido Nippon-Ham Fighters).

Don't worry though, you can, with just a few clicks of the ol' mouse, bring them right back into the fold. The Fighters can live to fight on and no one will be the wiser.

[pauwoo]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

Probably another good argument for a subscription model to be implemented.

How is this a good argument for a subscription model? How is anything in that post a good argument for, well, anything. The top bit is a statement of fact, the bottom bit is conjecture based on perusal of the product page.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by pauwoo

How is this a good argument for a subscription model? How is anything in that post a good argument for, well, anything. The top bit is a statement of fact, the bottom bit is conjecture based on perusal of the product page.

I suppose so they can add/delete features as they go. The point I think he was trying to make is that he "paid" for *** as part of the original product, and that "part" of the product was removed, and therefore he did not get his money's worth.

I am saying this a bit tongue in cheek, but I suppose if they had a subscription model for business they could add or delete leagues (features) on the fly without as much blowback.

[BaseballGOAT]

This was also discussed on the beta forums quite a bit. I have not chimed in here until now, but there I commented that I have a 5 license subscription to Office 365 and don't use all 5. I'd gladly donate one of the extra Onedrive accounts to use as a warehouse for OOTP mods. They come with 1 TB of storage.

I feel like that is the way to move forward. I don't see the community needing full blown fan site like FM has. Not nearly the same amount of traffic

[mytreds]

First, we already have people making full rosters for the Negro Leagues- I’d imagine it would be a similar process to make rosters for *** and upload them here.

Second, this deletion of the *** is a sign of things to come and one I warned about when the OOTP team sold out. They no longer control of the very business they created and have 0 say in what happens to OOTP moving forward. This is but a small example.

As much as I like decentralization, one of the frustrating parts of modding FM is there are dozens of “legitimate” FM sites to download from. It’s confusing and sometimes not safe to download from these off-company sites. Once again I caution- be careful what you wish for. Enjoy this ride while it lasts.