Maybe he prefers Jeopardy!? - Page 2

monkeyman576 · 11-03-2021, 05:17 PM

Rodgers said that he "wouldn't judge" those who aren't vaccinated, which is a strong implications that he was vaccinated. The NFL is saying that he's not vaccinated.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/202...te-treatments/

cephasjames · 11-03-2021, 05:24 PM

I literally just linked to a twitter post where he said, "I am immunized," not "I am vaccinated." Immunized and vaccinated are not necessarily the same thing.

Saying you won't judge people who aren't vaccinated doesn't mean you are vaccinated. It just means you won't judge people who are vaccinated. Being vaccinated and being judgemental of people who aren't vaccinated don't go hand in hand.

monkeyman576 · 11-03-2021, 05:36 PM

In addition to not directly saying he wasn't vaccinated and implying that he was by not supporting unvaccinated players, apparently Rodgers has been acting as a vaccinated player by not wearing masks at interviews and practices.

cephasjames · 11-03-2021, 08:03 PM

He's never claimed to be vaccinated. He's only ever claimed to be immunized. Immunized people tend to act as if they are immunized just like vaccinated people tend to act like they are vaccinated.

CONN CHRIS · 11-04-2021, 05:11 AM

Word games aside, he seems to have at least been rather coy about the subject and loose with the interpretation of NFL policy based on status. As someone who has lost a family member to Covid-19 before a vaccine was available, I don't particularly enjoy seeing word games and coyness concerning vaccination.

cephasjames · 11-04-2021, 06:12 AM

Yep, covid sucks. My wife had it last Thanksgiving and is still struggling from the effects of it: fatigue, brain fog, occasional shortness of breath. She's a "long hauler." It's been so bad that we completely put on hold moving to Kenya as missionaries until she gets better.

Having said that, yes, Rodgers was very careful in his wording when asked in that clip if he'd been vaccinated. But, let's be honest, the point of vaccinations is to be immunized. If he, or anyone, speaks with a medical professional who believes immunization can be reached through a method other than the vaccine and then does that method, then they believe he has achieved the end goal of both that method and the vaccine: immunization (Covid is still way too new to say only one method works). And thus he believes he is on equal footing with those who have chosen the vaccine. Thus the reason he behaved like other people who are immunized like not wearing a mask, etc.

(The vaccine is not the end all be all, by the way. We already know that. Vaccinated people can still get covid and even die from covid. Just at a significantly lesser rate. Apparently what Rodgers did is also not the end all be all.

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Now, did he violate the "You must be vaccinated" policy? Apparently. And it will be interesting to see how the NFL handles it.

ry1220 · 11-04-2021, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cephasjames

And thus he believes he is on equal footing with those who have chosen the vaccine. Thus the reason he behaved like other people who are immunized like not wearing a mask, etc.

I say these words as a saddened Packers fan. It does not matter what he believes. He petitioned the league to include his therapy. They deliberated and denied it.

Whatever you think of the vaccine, the rules of the employer are set. The NFL does not mandate the vaccine, like my employer and many others have done. Instead, they have two protocols: for those players that are vaccinated and those that are unvaccinated. If he did not follow the right protocol, and the Packers were complicit in that, then he and the team deserve to be punished.

Syd Thrift · 11-04-2021, 08:15 AM

Yes, that’s exactly the kind of weirdo word choices a person who’s lying and wants to pretend he’s not would use. Was Rodgers immunized against COVID-19? I mean, obviously not since he has it, but how does that happen without the vaccine?

cephasjames · 11-04-2021, 10:18 AM

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Yes, that’s exactly the kind of weirdo word choices a person who’s lying and wants to pretend he’s not would use. Was Rodgers immunized against COVID-19? I mean, obviously not since he has it, but how does that happen without the vaccine?

People who have been vaccinated can still get covid. Some vaccinated people have even died from covid. Getting covid is not proof of being unvaccinated.

Syd Thrift · 11-04-2021, 10:23 AM

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People who have been vaccinated can still get covid.

Yes, but that's not the issue here.

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Some vaccinated people have even died from covid.

Yes, this is what's known as probability. Getting the vaccine greatly reduces your chances of getting COVID-19, and if you do get it it greatly reduces your chances of dying of it. It doesn't make those chances 0%, particularly not if you also have some other major underlying condition.

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Getting covid is not proof of being unvaccinated.

The NFL has literally put out a press release stating that Rodgers was not vaccinated. I would say that that is proof of being unvaccinated.

cephasjames · 11-04-2021, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ry1220

I say these words as a saddened Packers fan. It does not matter what he believes. He petitioned the league to include his therapy. They deliberated and denied it.

Whatever you think of the vaccine, the rules of the employer are set. The NFL does not mandate the vaccine, like my employer and many others have done. Instead, they have two protocols: for those players that are vaccinated and those that are unvaccinated. If he did not follow the right protocol, and the Packers were complicit in that, then he and the team deserve to be punished.

I agree 100% with what you're saying. The NFL has rules in place. If those rules have been broken then there needs to be consequences.

I have simply been disputing the claim that Rodgers said he was vaccinated and explaining why he has probably acted the way he's acted in regards to wearing masks, etc.

cephasjames · 11-04-2021, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Was Rodgers immunized against COVID-19? I mean, obviously not since he has it, but how does that happen without the vaccine?

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

The NFL has literally put out a press release stating that Rodgers was not vaccinated. I would say that that is proof of being unvaccinated.

This is not the claim you made in the first post above, so this is not what I was arguing against.

EDIT: I'm going to leave what I originally posted here, but I think I may have misread what you wrote.

EDIT 2: Regarding the first quote above, "How does Rodgers get immunized without the vaccine?" That's the big question. There are many, many very scientifically knowledgable and capable scientists and doctors who believe that the vaccine is not the only way to become immune to covid-19. Just like there are many, many very scientifically knowledgable and capable scientists and doctors who believe that the vaccine is the only way to become immune to covid-19. Science, by its very nature, allows for these differing views. Apparently, the doctor(s?) that Rodgers has seen fall in the former camp rather than the latter.

Jason Moyer · 11-04-2021, 11:12 AM

The idea that there's any sort of equivalence between the 96-98% of physicians who have been fully vaccinated and the others who prescribe 11 herbs and spices is hilarious.

monkeyman576 · 11-04-2021, 11:45 AM

This is not about differing views or beliefs. It's about Rodgers misleading behaviors and statements.

a) Rodgers told reporters that "he didn't judge (non vaccinated)" players, when he in fact was not vaccinated. There is a clear difference between being vaccinated and immunized.

b) Rodgers was not wearing masks in a clear violation of NFL rules, which specifically states you must be vaccinated to have less strict mask wearing standards, not immunized.

Weather or not you personally are an anti vaxer or a Packers fan or what have you, I believe this hurts Rodgers credibility and if the Packers were looking to trade him they will get considerably less for him, and I don't think Jeopardy would want him after the scandals they have already been through.

thehef · 11-04-2021, 04:50 PM

The majority - though not all - of the comments in this thread are representative of the majority of U.S. society's beliefs, and thus explain why those who do not fall in strict line with the majority's thinking might feel the need to be coy... IOW, there are not many acceptable alternatives to simply conforming to the beliefs & edicts of the majority.

monkeyman576 · 11-04-2021, 05:12 PM

Yeah society is weird that way when it comes to health and safety.

thehef · 11-04-2021, 07:41 PM

I'll agree with you that society is very weird. It can also be extremely judgmental, intolerant, narrow-minded, and high-and-mighty when it feels that it knows that it's right.

CONN CHRIS · 11-05-2021, 05:41 AM

My wife's parents are 15 years older than mine and vividly recall living through polio. I am thankful that when the polio vaccine came out we did not have a country full of people thinking more of themselves than their community and mistaking selfishness for liberty.

Déjà Bru · 11-05-2021, 07:42 AM

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My wife's parents are 15 years older than mine and vividly recall living through polio. I am thankful that when the polio vaccine came out we did not have a country full of people thinking more of themselves than their community and mistaking selfishness for liberty.

The quote of the day for me.

RchW · 11-05-2021, 08:15 AM

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I'll agree with you that society is very weird. It can also be extremely judgmental, intolerant, narrow-minded, and high-and-mighty when it feels that it knows that it's right.

Yeah Trump sycophants show us that every day.

11-03-2021, 05:17 PM	#21
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,347	Rodgers said that he "wouldn't judge" those who aren't vaccinated, which is a strong implications that he was vaccinated. The NFL is saying that he's not vaccinated. https://packerswire.usatoday.com/202...te-treatments/ Last edited by monkeyman576; 11-03-2021 at 05:20 PM.

11-03-2021, 05:24 PM	#22
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,736	I literally just linked to a twitter post where he said, "I am immunized," not "I am vaccinated." Immunized and vaccinated are not necessarily the same thing. Saying you won't judge people who aren't vaccinated doesn't mean you are vaccinated. It just means you won't judge people who are vaccinated. Being vaccinated and being judgemental of people who aren't vaccinated don't go hand in hand. __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys Last edited by cephasjames; 11-03-2021 at 05:25 PM.

11-03-2021, 08:03 PM	#24
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,736	He's never claimed to be vaccinated. He's only ever claimed to be immunized. Immunized people tend to act as if they are immunized just like vaccinated people tend to act like they are vaccinated. __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys Last edited by cephasjames; 11-03-2021 at 08:10 PM.

11-04-2021, 05:11 AM	#25
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 28,837	Word games aside, he seems to have at least been rather coy about the subject and loose with the interpretation of NFL policy based on status. As someone who has lost a family member to Covid-19 before a vaccine was available, I don't particularly enjoy seeing word games and coyness concerning vaccination. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

11-04-2021, 06:12 AM	#26
cephasjames Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,736	Yep, covid sucks. My wife had it last Thanksgiving and is still struggling from the effects of it: fatigue, brain fog, occasional shortness of breath. She's a "long hauler." It's been so bad that we completely put on hold moving to Kenya as missionaries until she gets better. Having said that, yes, Rodgers was very careful in his wording when asked in that clip if he'd been vaccinated. But, let's be honest, the point of vaccinations is to be immunized. If he, or anyone, speaks with a medical professional who believes immunization can be reached through a method other than the vaccine and then does that method, then they believe he has achieved the end goal of both that method and the vaccine: immunization (Covid is still way too new to say only one method works). And thus he believes he is on equal footing with those who have chosen the vaccine. Thus the reason he behaved like other people who are immunized like not wearing a mask, etc. (The vaccine is not the end all be all, by the way. We already know that. Vaccinated people can still get covid and even die from covid. Just at a significantly lesser rate. Apparently what Rodgers did is also not the end all be all. ) Now, did he violate the "You must be *vaccinated*" policy? Apparently. And it will be interesting to see how the NFL handles it. __________________ 5000+ Generic Logos Free for the Taking FREE: Uniforms and logos for 500+ teams spanning 1871-present Great Lakes League: 10 Conferences, 100 Teams Pre-OOTP 23 Custom Cap & Jersey Template v3.0 by Deft and NoPepper (with layers from other various artists) that I use: Caps, Jerseys

11-03-2021, 05:36 PM	#23
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,347	In addition to not directly saying he wasn't vaccinated and implying that he was by not supporting unvaccinated players, apparently Rodgers has been acting as a vaccinated player by not wearing masks at interviews and practices.

11-04-2021, 11:12 AM	#33
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,066	The idea that there's any sort of equivalence between the 96-98% of physicians who have been fully vaccinated and the others who prescribe 11 herbs and spices is hilarious. __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech

11-04-2021, 11:45 AM	#34
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,347	This is not about differing views or beliefs. It's about Rodgers misleading behaviors and statements. a) Rodgers told reporters that "he didn't judge (non vaccinated)" players, when he in fact was not vaccinated. There is a clear difference between being vaccinated and immunized. b) Rodgers was not wearing masks in a clear violation of NFL rules, which specifically states you must be vaccinated to have less strict mask wearing standards, not immunized. Weather or not you personally are an anti vaxer or a Packers fan or what have you, I believe this hurts Rodgers credibility and if the Packers were looking to trade him they will get considerably less for him, and I don't think Jeopardy would want him after the scandals they have already been through.

11-04-2021, 04:50 PM	#35
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,345	The majority - though not all - of the comments in this thread are representative of the majority of U.S. society's beliefs, and thus explain why those who do not fall in strict line with the majority's thinking might feel the need to be coy... IOW, there are not many acceptable alternatives to simply conforming to the beliefs & edicts of the majority.

11-04-2021, 05:12 PM	#36
monkeyman576 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,347	Yeah society is weird that way when it comes to health and safety.

11-04-2021, 07:41 PM	#37
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,345	I'll agree with you that society is very weird. It can also be extremely judgmental, intolerant, narrow-minded, and high-and-mighty when it feels that it knows that it's right.

11-05-2021, 05:41 AM	#38
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 28,837	My wife's parents are 15 years older than mine and vividly recall living through polio. I am thankful that when the polio vaccine came out we did not have a country full of people thinking more of themselves than their community and mistaking selfishness for liberty. __________________ Check Out My Cards!