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Old 03-15-2021, 07:43 AM   #21
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The button is on the league functions page and is "erase all career stats for all players". Using the 1980 start date in my example, if this is done when first setting up the game, it will get rid of historical stats of the players (prior to 1980) and the only stats they will have will be those produced by the game 1980 and up.
Okay, but when you get through the 1980 season and moved into the offseason, have you went to the games historical section and checked your league's career leaderboard? Since OOTP16, I've never been able to use the erase all stats function with any success ever. What happens to me is, all the stats get set to zero. I play out the first season/post season and proceed to the offseason. Then, if I check my league's career leaderboard in the historical section, I always end up with a handful of players that have more than a season worth of stats. For example, if I look at my career leader in hits, the leader may have 1050, When I click on the player shown with 1050 hits, I will see its a guy that missed the season I just finished in real life, but returned for the season I'm about to play. This returning player comes back with all his career stats.

I actually tried this again over the weekend. Started in 1976. Erased all stats and simmed the 76 season. Before the offseason draft, I checked the leagues career leaderboard. Davey Johnson led in almost every offensive category. Sure enough, in real life, Davey Johnson didn't play in 1976 and returned to action in 1977. When he returned, he had all his stats from 1965-1975.

I would give anything if I could find a way to make erasing all stats work, but I just can't seem to find it.

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Old 03-15-2021, 02:38 PM   #22
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Are you using import full history? My experience is that if you do you'll get the players who played (example) before 1980 and after 1980 but not in 1980 as FAs and the erase function will erase their stats. Note my experience doing this consists only of my current game.
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Are you using import full history? My experience is that if you do you'll get the players who played (example) before 1980 and after 1980 but not in 1980 as FAs and the erase function will erase their stats. Note my experience doing this consists only of my current game.
Nope. Did not import full history. I simply can't find a way around the players showing up on the leaderboard with a full careers worth of stats.
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Import full history then erase seemed to work for me.
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Old 03-15-2021, 06:11 PM   #25
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Import full history then erase seemed to work for me.
I've tried that a million times and it's never worked for me. I will give it another shot though.
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Old 03-15-2021, 06:27 PM   #26
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Here it is. Created 1980 with full history. Erased all history. Simmed the 1980 season, till the end of the playoffs. This screen shot is from October 24th 1980. It's the Jerry Grote Show.Name:  test_1980-10-24_18-24-05.jpg
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Old 03-16-2021, 10:36 PM   #27
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Start 1980
Import entire league history
Erase all career stats of all players
Erase the entire league history

It works as I've described. I don't know what you're doing differently.
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Start 1980
Import entire league history
Erase all career stats of all players
Erase the entire league history

It works as I've described. I don't know what you're doing differently.
I will try it again when I get home from work. In my example above, I erased all history and checked to see if players had any stats history. Did not see any. But, I will give the erase all career stats of players a shot. I so want this to work.
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Old 03-17-2021, 06:24 PM   #29
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Okay, I figured out how to start in 1980, erase stats, erase history and get through the first season without the Jerry Grote problem I displayed above. Did so by scheduling a inaugural draft and making sure every single player was drafted. Problem is, when I played out 1981, I ended up with the Steve Braun problem in the screenshot. Name:  new_game_2_1981-10-22_18-14-32.jpg
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Don't know. If you go to Braun's hitting stats in the game does it show stats prior to 1980? I'd think it would. Does anyone else?

I ran 1981 in the test game I set up. No pre 1980 shows up in career leaders.
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Don't know. If you go to Braun's hitting stats in the game does it show stats prior to 1980? I'd think it would. Does anyone else?

I ran 1981 in the test game I set up. No pre 1980 shows up in career leaders.
By chance did Braun actually play and accumulate a stat record in your league? With Grote above, I did a free agent draft prior to the 1980 season to make sure he was on a team. Problem was, he never got to play all season and therefore, didn't accumulate any stats/no history. I then created 1980 all over again. This time I erased career stats, erased all history and emptied all teams for an inaugural draft. I made sure every available player was drafted. This did the trick for Grote. Then the Braun problem developed. Strange thing is, Braun never missed a season, so I have no clue why he would be showing up like he is.

The strange thing is, in the above example, I simply deleted Braun altogether following the 81 season. This removed him completely from the leagues leaderboard. He had no history and no stats, so deleting him was not a problem I then simmed 1982. Somehow Braun was back again in his full career statistical glory once the offseason began.

I give up. I will just use random debut for my fictional/historical setups.
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In my league Braun played MLB and AAA in 1980, AAA in 1981.

" Strange thing is, Braun never missed a season, so I have no clue why he would be showing up like he is."

Did he perhaps retire and unretire?

Other than that I'm thinking that its an isolated data error where the erase career didn't work with him. Maybe we need to press the button twice!!!

I occasionally checked the career stats in my current league during play and don't remember anything like this. I saved backups of many of the early years. Would you like me to check them to make sure I am getting different results?

The only procedural thing I see different is I started with players on historical teams and manually assigned free agents to appropriate teams.

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In my league Braun played MLB and AAA in 1980, AAA in 1981.

" Strange thing is, Braun never missed a season, so I have no clue why he would be showing up like he is."

Did he perhaps retire and unretire?

Other than that I'm thinking that its an isolated data error where the erase career didn't work with him. Maybe we need to press the button twice!!!

I occasionally checked the career stats in my current league during play and don't remember anything like this. I saved backups of many of the early years. Would you like me to check them to make sure I am getting different results?

The only procedural thing I see different is I started with players on historical teams and manually assigned free agents to appropriate teams.
Oh man, you use minor leagues? I know from earlier discussions, you don't use the historical minors feature. Wondering if that might be the answer. I've never once tried erasing career stats/erasing history in a league with minor leagues.

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Yes, I use AAA and AA.
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The button is on the league functions page and is "erase all career stats for all players". Using the 1980 start date in my example, if this is done when first setting up the game, it will get rid of historical stats of the players (prior to 1980) and the only stats they will have will be those produced by the game 1980 and up.
Brad, I have been trying since OOTP17 to find a way to erase all stats/history. I've never been able to figure out a way to do so. You have shown me the light and for the first time since OOTP16 I think I'm in business. I just created 1921 with AAA and AA. Held a free agent draft so all the free agents got put on a team. Simmed the 21 season. Perfect. In the past when I done this, Johnny Evers would show up with stats all the way back to 1902 or so. Not this time. Simmed 1922, perfect. Simmed 1923, perfect. Thank you for all the help and thanks for being patient.
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I am very glad it has worked for you. I never would have thought having minor leagues was the final missing piece. Good catch.

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I am very glad it has worked for you. I never would have thought having minor leagues was the final missing piece. Good catch.
Yup, looks like it's all about making sure players acquire some OOTP history, as once that occurs, the player will not appear with his full career stat load. A guy like Grote in the above example is among the free agents when you create 1980. If he stays a free agent all year and doesn't accumulate a stat record, he will have his full career worth of stats when 81 roll around. But, if he gets an at bat be it in the majors or minors during the 1980 season, he will only have OOTP stats and that career mess will not occur. My problem all along was, I usually use reserve rosters, so even if Grote made it onto a roster, he may never get into an actual game. Therefore, no stats, no history. Evidently signing a free agent deal, isn't enough of a history builder. But, being drafted in an inaugural draft is. This game is a like a life long learning quest for the holy grail of knowledge.
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Started my first league using this procedure over the weekend.

Started this league in 1947. Here is the setup so far.

American League
Baltimore
Boston
Chicago
Cleveland
Detroit
New York

National League
Brooklyn
Chicago
Cincinnati
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
St. Louis

Using a 156 game schedule that includes interleague play. Not the biggest fan of interleague play, but using it will allow me to expand by 2's(1 team per Subleague) which I find so much easier than expanding by 4 or dealing with finding schedules for subleagues that don't have the same number of teams.

Two levels of minors AAA and AA. Wondering if I should have added A too, but that's water under the bridge now. The minor league teams play identical schedules to the major leagues. I don't believe in September callups, so this isn't a problem.

Before starting play, I released all players and held a fantasy draft. Have you ever noticed how Ted Williams almost always ends up in New York when you do this? I'm using free agency for this league as well.

5 year recalc with Garlon's make bad settings 167/67 17/14.

If I can keep this going, I plan on expanding on a regular basis, but I will always keep my league smaller than that of the real MLB at the time. Kind of want to see what guys on the fringe have shorter MLB careers or never get out of the minors altogether.
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settings 167/67 17/14.
Which settings are these?
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Which settings are these?
It's the settings on the very bottom of the first page of the historical setup wizard. I call them the make bad settings, because they are the settings put in place so guys that got barely a cup a coffee in the bigs don't end up benefitting from lack of playing time. In other words they make sure a guy that went 6-15 over the course of a season doesn't hit .400. In a couple different threads Garlon has said 167/67 and 17/14 will work great for 5 year recalc.
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