Perfect League...pay to play :-(

[Hobbes63]

Originally Posted by freedavebrown

They must be building the teams through the AH. The amount of packs you´d have to open to get 30 diamonds is pretty staggering.

yes, agree. Statistically, that would be...30,000 packs, right?

I think my personal solution to this problem is just going to be to try to build a team I like that has cool players and plays the way I want rather than a team that I think is objectively the best.

Yes, that was my goal as well...until I started just getting shellacked. Demoralizing when that happens, and you look at what you can do to change it...and not finding any answers.

[Weaseltail]

Originally Posted by Hobbes63

I'm curious...what did you spend your $45 on? (this is a question to the group, too). Buying packs, or buying PP to get players?

I spent the $45 in the AH. I did a fair amount of card flipping at the outset when it was profitable, which added some additional points to spend on my team. And the Vander Meer card (from a Challenge pack) sold for around 80,000 net points, which was obviously another big boost (which is how I got Betts and Trout). Most of the money I spent came in $5 chunks when I would find a great deal in the AH but didn't quite have enough points available. It took me a while to build the team, since I was trying to bargain shop as much as possible.

Agree. I was good with that until that long losing streak...followed by another. I don't expect to win Perfect League, but just getting drubbed every game isn't much fun. I haven't spent much money...but then when I saw ALL the high $$$ players on almost all of the Perfect League teams....the opening thread seemed appropriate. I still wouldn't have a competitive roster, so that would be $$$ wasted. Pitching is just too stacked.

I've found a few things that work on a budget. There are a lot of cheap players you can platoon to get diamond-level performance (Abreu, Pesky, Tommy Davis, Mize, Dave Henderson, etc.). There are also several cheap RP who have crazy splits and can be used as LH/RH specialists and really help (take a look at Medina, Bummer, Stammen, and Vazquez). If you can save money in those areas, it allows you to upgrade at SP (where it's harder to perform well without spending a lot of points).

Also, try to find inefficiencies where possible. A lot of teams overlook defense, but I've found it matters and is pretty cheap to upgrade. Also things like gap power and eye tend to be undervalued, since most players focus on contact and power (which are really important, but hard to get on the cheap outside a platoon). A team with great defense, good gap power and eye, and a park that limits hits and HRs can even the odds a bit, especially with the right SP.

Also, pay attention to your global strategy settings and how they interact with your ballpark design. These can make a big difference IMO.

It's a slog, but there are ways to even the odds a bit IMO.

[Hobbes63]

Originally Posted by Weaseltail

I spent the $45 in the AH. I did a fair amount of card flipping at the outset when it was profitable, which added some additional points to spend on my team. And the Vander Meer card sold for around 80,000 net points, which was obviously another big boost (which is how I got Betts and Trout).

Yes, card flipping is definitely a path. BUT the bargains seems to have diminished as more players become away of who those bargain are...thus driving up their prices.

I've found a few things that work on a budget. There are a lot of cheap players you can platoon to get diamond-level performance (Abreu, Pesky, Tommy Davis, Mize, Dave Henderson, etc.). There are also several cheap RP who have crazy splits and can be used as LH/RH specialists and really help (take a look at Medina, Bummer, Stammen, and Vazquez).

It's a slog, but there are ways to even the odds a bit IMO.

Agree...that's exactly how I built my team, which got to Perfect pretty successfully. But it seems to hit a wall in Perfect.

[chazzycat]

I have found myself in a somewhat similar position to OP. I spent a little money ($40) to help keep my team rising through the ranks, but now in perfect league I have very little chance of ever winning. That $40 did help for sure, but still my team is primarily gold & silver players. I'm just not on the level with the teams of all perfect/diamond cards. That would be fine, if the points from achievements hadn't slowed way down, making it much harder to improve. To boot, my team is somehow playing around .500 so relegation seems unlikely.

If I had to go back and do it again, I would probably not spend the $40, and not focus so hard on trying to get promoted every week. It just seems more prudent to avoid perfect league, for us non-whales.

[DonkeyKongSr]

Originally Posted by Hobbes63

Yes, card flipping is definitely a path. BUT the bargains seems to have diminished as more players become away of who those bargain are...thus driving up their prices.

It's less about the bargain guys and more about watching for auctions with underpriced BIN or about to end underpriced. If you can win an auction for Last5Average/.85 or less, you can probably flip it for a profit. The biggest issue is how much your bid drops that Last 5 Average, hence the .85 instead of .9.

[AirmenSmith]

Originally Posted by chazzycat

I have found myself in a somewhat position to OP. I spent a little money ($40) to help keep my team rising through the ranks, but now in perfect league I have very little chance of ever winning. That $40 did help for sure, but still my team is primarily gold & silver players. I'm just not on the level with the teams of all perfect/diamond cards. That would be fine, if the points from achievements hadn't slowed way down, making it much harder to improve. To boot, my team is somehow playing around .500 so relegation seems unlikely.

If I had to go back and do it again, I would probably not spend the $40, and not focus so hard on trying to get promoted every week. It just seems more prudent to avoid perfect league, for us non-whales.

This is something I have been wondering. Would OOTP make more money if they let Pay 2 win players play against others that Pay 2 win? My thinking is this, if you are a Free 2 play player, you probably always will be and will never spend money on PP.

Now you have someone that spends $40 on PT. That gets them up a few more levels but now what for them? They don't want to spend the amount required to compete with the "Whales" but they also don't need to spend money to beat the Free 2 play players. So they are done spending money because there is no point.

Does anyone else see it like this? I'm always going to remain Free 2 play so i'm not sure how the other half views it.

I do feel a tier system would work so well in this type of game. It would give more incentive for "Whales" to spend even more money.

[SayHey1]

Originally Posted by AirmenSmith

Does anyone else see it like this?

Basically, yes. I think all of us who are FTP (or limited funds to play) feel this way.


I honestly wish I hadn't have spent any money now. I would have my $ back and having more fun. I didn't realize just how big some of the "Whales" were. My mistake.

[Orcin]

So let me see if I understand this thread... you are a “no money spent” player and you advanced to Perfect League. And now you are complaining because the highest level in the game is hard? Unbelievable.

[SayHey1]

Originally Posted by Orcin

So let me see if I understand this thread... you are a “no money spent” player and you advanced to Perfect League. And now you are complaining because the highest level in the game is hard? Unbelievable.

You seem to spend a lot of time bashing people for things they never said.


Try again d-bag.

[atabakin]

Originally Posted by Orcin

So let me see if I understand this thread... you are a “no money spent” player and you advanced to Perfect League. And now you are complaining because the highest level in the game is hard? Unbelievable.

You should be able to believe this by now.

[BoofBonser26]

Originally Posted by Orcin

So let me see if I understand this thread... you are a “no money spent” player and you advanced to Perfect League. And now you are complaining because the highest level in the game is hard? Unbelievable.

OP is not complaining. OP made a measured post explaining where he gets enjoyment from the mode, where he doesn't, and came to the conclusion it's not the right fit for him. Others chimed in, it was all surprisingly civil. Some musings on the long term path for the game were shared.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by SayHey1

You seem to spend a lot of time bashing people for things they never said.


Try again d-bag.

Grow up. I think that's exactly what he said.

[SayHey1]

Originally Posted by Orcin

Grow up. I think that's exactly what he said.

Prime example of why I would NEVER support you as an moderator. Go read the BLEEPING thread over and see you stupid you look now.

[AirmenSmith]

Originally Posted by Orcin

So let me see if I understand this thread... you are a “no money spent” player and you advanced to Perfect League. And now you are complaining because the highest level in the game is hard? Unbelievable.

You do realize that this whole thread was actually a good conversation. No one asking for changes, just some people with like minds talking about a feature in a game.

Then you come in....dare I say forum troll?

[SayHey1]

Originally Posted by BoofBonser26

OP is not complaining. OP made a measured post explaining where he gets enjoyment from the mode, where he doesn't, and came to the conclusion it's not the right fit for him. Others chimed in, it was all surprisingly civil. Some musings on the long term path for the game were shared.

It WAS civil. At least till Orcin showed up.

[Zorro]

Originally Posted by SayHey1

You seem to spend a lot of time bashing people for things they never said.


Try again d-bag.

That is kinda what he said. Not arguing, Just stating a fact. Also Orcin is not known for bashing people for things they have said. If that was true he would be bashing me all day long.

[Zorro]

Originally Posted by SayHey1

It WAS civil. At least till Orcin showed up.

And was called a d-bag for it. Another civil mood.lol.....

[Orcin]

The thread started with "just curious what other's thoughts are on this". I gave my thoughts. I get called names because I don't believe what the mob wants me to believe. Sounds like a lot of other threads on this forum, which are not opened for "conversation" but opened for the purpose of bashing the game with statements like "I'm not seeing why to bother continue playing".

"Thoughts?" I think I will keep playing and enjoying myself. I would be very happy if I got to Perfect League with a FTP team. Some people are never happy.

[chazzycat]

Originally Posted by AirmenSmith

This is something I have been wondering. Would OOTP make more money if they let Pay 2 win players play against others that Pay 2 win? My thinking is this, if you are a Free 2 play player, you probably always will be and will never spend money on PP.

Now you have someone that spends $40 on PT. That gets them up a few more levels but now what for them? They don't want to spend the amount required to compete with the "Whales" but they also don't need to spend money to beat the Free 2 play players. So they are done spending money because there is no point.

Does anyone else see it like this?

I mean yeah that is pretty much exactly my problem right now. I think it's reasonable to spend a little money on a game I enjoy, but not hundreds of dollars. That is just out of the question...my wife would kill me. I would like to compete at a high level, I spend a lot of time & effort on my strategies...but it's just not enough.

And don't get me wrong I think I will be perfectly content next time to try and compete in gold or diamond level as a FTP player. I still love PT. The main issue is that I didn't know how promotion/relegation worked exactly, and it seemed fun to rush through the ranks ASAP. But now I know better.

If there are a LOT of players in my situation, it could be the case that the devs might want to think about the balance. Obviously if there is an incentive not to spend, that isn't good for them. But in the end it just comes down to how many players are willing to spend a little, vs how many players are willing to spend a lot. This is not exactly a new concept in video games, so I'm sure the devs have done their research to maximize profits and have concluded they will gain more this way.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by SayHey1

Prime example of why I would NEVER support you as an moderator. Go read the BLEEPING thread over and see you stupid you look now.

Who said I was running for MODERATOR??????