Disappointed with 19th century expansion

[RMc]

I for one no longer play 19th century and I suspect most who tried abandoned it as well.

I rarely start my historical leagues before 1893, the year the pitcher's mound was set at 60' 6" from home plate. Baseball in the 1870s and 80s was just too different from today, with varying amounts of balls and strikes, substitutions not allowed and other factors.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by RMc

I rarely start my historical leagues before 1893, the year the pitcher's mound was set at 60' 6" from home plate. Baseball in the 1870s and 80s was just too different from today, with varying amounts of balls and strikes, substitutions not allowed and other factors.

Yeah it is different but imo that is what makes it great. Its replaying history and history includes baseball struggling to develop its game.

[Spritze]

I put a suggestion in the suggestion box that we fix the last 19th century issue.

Which is being forced to start with two leagues in 1871. I would just delete the American fake league, add the missing real teams to the NL and let the game proceed. The American Association becomes the AL later and the Union and Players leagues I either ignored or made a division of the AL or NL. That only left turning off the compulsory draft which I could not do. I was able to play 1871-1900 letting the game use real teams and players and expanding and contracting on its own.

So we would only need to ask Markus to update two things. Not that much to ask I'd think if I thought which I try to avoid.

[Dargone]

Originally Posted by Spritze

I for one no longer play 19th century and I suspect most who tried abandoned it as well.

It was not originally announced as fictional but that is what it is.

Yeah, I'm a primarily historical player and I've given up on the 19th century. I simply start in 1901 most sims.

[Dargone]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Yeah, this is one of the few features of OOTP that are really good ideas but need a bit of polish.

After spending some time looking at how those 4 leagues evolved, I've got a huge interest in learning more about 19th Century baseball. I would like to learn more about the players, etc. I have my eye on a few books. Someone mentioned watching the Ken Burns documentary on Monday while we were waiting for the game to drop. I started watching it and when it got to the Players League, I started thinking about how to make it work in OOTP.

So much happened back then, its all very interesting.

I recently bought a ton of baseball books. I purchased several on 19th century baseball. Fascinating stuff...

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Spritze

I put a suggestion in the suggestion box that we fix the last 19th century issue.

Which is being forced to start with two leagues in 1871. I would just delete the American fake league, add the missing real teams to the NL and let the game proceed. The American Association becomes the AL later and the Union and Players leagues I either ignored or made a division of the AL or NL. That only left turning off the compulsory draft which I could not do. I was able to play 1871-1900 letting the game use real teams and players and expanding and contracting on its own.

So we would only need to ask Markus to update two things. Not that much to ask I'd think if I thought which I try to avoid.

And then if historical txns were made available and enabled for 19th century, that would facilitate smooth* transition of players as teams drop/add/shift.

*smooth defined as historically accurate in a somewhat unstable environment

[Spritze]

*smooth defined as historically semi-accurate in a completely unstable environment using what we learned from generating the negro leagues in ootp18 ?

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by Spritze

I put a suggestion in the suggestion box that we fix the last 19th century issue.

Which is being forced to start with two leagues in 1871. I would just delete the American fake league, add the missing real teams to the NL and let the game proceed. The American Association becomes the AL later and the Union and Players leagues I either ignored or made a division of the AL or NL. That only left turning off the compulsory draft which I could not do. I was able to play 1871-1900 letting the game use real teams and players and expanding and contracting on its own.

So we would only need to ask Markus to update two things. Not that much to ask I'd think if I thought which I try to avoid.

Yeah i was able to get players to go to their rookie teams. I had to use human managers to keep the computer from signing the wrong players.
If the historical transactions were edited to match the team rosters and schedules it should help when teams start and fold during the season. With transactions off there should be enough players to avoid a team not having enough players.
As for the other leagues i agree with what you said. There could be an option to add the teams to the AL or NL. You could then move them to a new league. Or what if the game gave an option to create those leagues with the teams just having the rookie players and then an expansion draft to sign the players from the AA and NL. You dont have to worry about duplicate rookies the next year as those leagues were only 1 year.
Or just have players from those leagues sit out 1884 and 1890.

[swampdragon]

The world would continue to turn without the UA. The Players' League is worthy of Federal League treatment as a minor league.

So you would add the AA as the future American League in 1882. What happens in 1892 when the AA goes away and you're back to one league?

I would personally have no issues, particularly in comparison to the current system, if the American Association was also treated as a minor league. Then we could have the National League in 1871 and then go with one league (with the lesser leagues treated as minors) until 1901.

[Spritze]

In 1892 the AL contracted and came back in 1901. One test I even had the Western League be a surrogate for the AL like in real life.

In the Negro Leagues the NNL contracted after 1931 and came back in 1933 and that worked peachy.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by swampdragon

The world would continue to turn without the UA. The Players' League is worthy of Federal League treatment as a minor league.

So you would add the AA as the future American League in 1882. What happens in 1892 when the AA goes away and you're back to one league?

I would personally have no issues, particularly in comparison to the current system, if the American Association was also treated as a minor league. Then we could have the National League in 1871 and then go with one league (with the lesser leagues treated as minors) until 1901.

If you use historical transactions players go to their teams. If not players go to a free agency pool. The league then goes back to either disabled
playoffs or the top 2 teams qualify.
If you can run it as one league from 1871 -1881. There shouldn't be a problem to go back.
It wasn't for me in my league.
One thing though is that if you disable playoffs it will not show a champion in league history.