Historical Exhibition Mode Explained

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by OakDragon

You can already do this with the Simulation Module in 16. (near the bottom of the Play menu)

Yes, and since the historical exhibition is saved like an oridary saved game, you can load it up and run the simulation module on it

[drksd4848]

Hey, I just rematched the 86 Mets vs the 86 Red Sox and Bill Buckner fielded everything that was hit to him.

And Dennis Eckersley struck out Kirk Gibson.

And Dave Justice didn't lose sight of the ball in the roof.

And the AI handled the Texas Rangers bullpen perfectly.

And John Farrel actually pinch hit for his relievers

This feature sucks... It's not realistic.

(kidding)

[SF_49er]

Originally Posted by OakDragon

You can already do this with the Simulation Module in 16. (near the bottom of the Play menu)

That's absolutely correct, but if i do this two times in a row, the game crashes (every time i do this).

The game is absolutely stable, but if i use this feature two times in a row, i had no chance, the game will crash ... so i decide to use this feature very rarely.

[OakDragon]

Originally Posted by SF_49er

That's absolutely correct, but if i do this two times in a row, the game crashes (every time i do this).

The game is absolutely stable, but if i use this feature two times in a row, i had no chance, the game will crash ... so i decide to use this feature very rarely.

Hmm, I don't have this problem. It'd be a good idea to file a support ticket on that.

[sportdfan926]

As a long time fan and player of OOTP I'm extremely happy with this. The only reason I played any other games was for historical matchups. I enjoy pitching Koufax against Gehrig or Bonds and while I would love to be able to do that over a 162 game season I will take what I can get. Thank you for all the hard work.

[DB930]

Originally Posted by Padreman

I can't believe people actually not to have this implemented

I can. I'd still vote against it. No matter how cool it looks, I don't plan to use it, and I'd rather the dev time have been spent elsewhere...

[vegaspomeranians]

This is an awesome feature. I just hope that next year it can be expanded to a complete playoff format for up to 8 teams or any number like a 64 team playoff series like college baseball.

[rjl518]

Originally Posted by drksd4848

Hey Markus, I (heart) you for adding this.

But if I rematch the Royals vs Mets and Lucas Duda makes the play at home plate, I'm going to say the game is broken.

im gonna say the game is working just the way its supposed to

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by DB930

I can. I'd still vote against it. No matter how cool it looks, I don't plan to use it, and I'd rather the dev time have been spent elsewhere...

I have to say that I'm glad that someone has been filling in for me so very well in my absence.

[ThatSeventiesGuy]

Hey, I'm just glad they spent the time on something I'll use instead of more memory-munching 3-D stuff.

[The Yurpman]

Between this new mode and the addition of the minor leagues in historical replays I'm going to try historical for the first time. This looks awesome.

[drksd4848]

I think the key thing that Markus factored in - and very cleverly I might add - is the eras within which the teams played.

A lot of times these hypothetical rematches play as if the teams are in a vacuum; it can't be that way for this stuff to REALLY be realistic.

Lets face it, if the '27 Yankees were put into a time machine, brought to 1999, and had to face Pedro Martinez, he'd throw a no hitter with 27 strikeouts. But how would Pedro do if he had to throw a ball that was made in 1927, and the Red Sox had to play in field conditions that were common in the 1920s? This feature will take that into account. It will be incredibly interesting to see what the results will be.

[smythejd]

This looks like it will be a great feature in OOTP 17. As someone who plays fictional leagues (mine is nearing 200 years), will I be able to access some of my all time great fictional teams? Would love to see a tournament with my great teams of the past.

[BaseballMan]

Originally Posted by drksd4848

I think the key thing that Markus factored in - and very cleverly I might add - is the eras within which the teams played.

A lot of times these hypothetical rematches play as if the teams are in a vacuum; it can't be that way for this stuff to REALLY be realistic.

Lets face it, if the '27 Yankees were put into a time machine, brought to 1999, and had to face Pedro Martinez, he'd throw a no hitter with 27 strikeouts. But how would Pedro do if he had to throw a ball that was made in 1927, and the Red Sox had to play in field conditions that were common in the 1920s? This feature will take that into account. It will be incredibly interesting to see what the results will be.

I doubt if Martinez would no hit the 27 yankees. Your forgetting both teams may not have the benefit of their era but they would also have the benefit of the new era. If he was playing today chances are Babe Ruth would have an actual training program other than hot dogs and beer. Plus newer ballparks, expansion etc. Martinez would have the benefit of spitballs, different rules. Even marginal players would be good enough to be just be a marginal player. Ive always believed a great player will be as good in any era.

[daves]

This is a great addition. My question is can I pit a team I created against a historical team? Or can two players pit teams they built against each other? If you can do this online leagues can have mid season tournaments.

[daves]

Originally Posted by dfisher9

This allows some people to set up some awesome tournaments.

Absolutely. In the future OOTP should add historical tournament mode or allow the ability to pit fictional online teams against each other.

[Padreman]

Originally Posted by DB930

I can. I'd still vote against it. No matter how cool it looks, I don't plan to use it, and I'd rather the dev time have been spent elsewhere...

Minority'

[JMDurron]

I voted against it as well, based on the initial description of it being a "game." Seeing that it is even more robust than the OP in that thread had suggested (normalized ratings, pick your statistical year, series of variable length) makes me ok with my having been outvoted by the community.

[DB930]

Originally Posted by Padreman

Minority'

Yep, a minority of ~40% who, believe it or not, had solid reasons for voting why we did. So even after you've won and gotten what you wanted, why do you feel the need pipe up and say "Still can't believe anyone actually voted against this." That's basically just calling those who disagreed with you "trolls" all over again. Just take your victory, enjoy your new little feature, and move on.

[drksd4848]

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

I doubt if Martinez would no hit the 27 yankees. Your forgetting both teams may not have the benefit of their era but they would also have the benefit of the new era. If he was playing today chances are Babe Ruth would have an actual training program other than hot dogs and beer. Plus newer ballparks, expansion etc. Martinez would have the benefit of spitballs, different rules. Even marginal players would be good enough to be just be a marginal player. Ive always believed a great player will be as good in any era.

I understand that. What I mean is, the 27 Yankees went into some weird timewarp, with all their equipment, style of play, and all the stuff they're accustom to from that era, then dropped off in 1999.

Keep in mind, Babe Ruth swung a 60 oz bat. Sure, he could get around a pitch from a pitcher from 1927, but there is no way he could catch up to a 98 mph fastball - he'd be a day and a half behind it. Then face a 72 mph changeup and swing and miss so hard, he'd cork screw himself into the ground. That, of course is impossible to simulate. (although, it'd make a cool Quantum Leap episode!) If Babe Ruth was a modern player then yes, it'd be different.

Also, the hardest thrower of that time was Walter Johnson. The best he was clocked at was maaaybe 91 mph. I'd say the first REAL modern thrower was Bob Feller. That would be a fairer fight against today's hitters anyway. Pedro may have a tougher time against 60's era hitters.