Why is there a hit and scoring every first inning?! - Page 2

Orcin · 06-25-2015, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

This is not pornography.

Ok, that's it. I'm outta here then.

ForeverRoyalKC · 06-25-2015, 02:07 PM

It's not that I am trying to cement my opinion into this forum. There are many times that you listen to your favorite team on radio or see them on tv for weeks and months (if life will let you catch them that often and consistent) and the first full inning is three up, three down or a hit here and there. Yes, there is first inning scoring one, two games in a row or three out of four. Or two or three hits in each half of a first full inning without scoring, but I believe what I was seeing is a bit much.
We can split hairs and pulll this subject in several different directions, but I have watched and listened to many games in a row and I've never seen this happen!
I just went thru the last 37 games in the real major league schedule June 23, 24, 25. And 16 out of thirty seven had first inning scoring. I had 30 out of 36! That gives you a somewhat more realistic look!

I did, however, manage to stop it. I went to the league settings and set the AI for 1989. And things got much more realistic!

I guess to each his own taste and expectations. Didnt look to make enemies or raise everyone else's bar to what I thought was right.

The Wolf · 06-25-2015, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

This is not pornography.

Well, Rich, that's your opinion.

RchW · 06-25-2015, 02:49 PM

I know it when I see it!

JohnHoward · 06-25-2015, 04:57 PM

Still playing, but I haven't been around here much lately and pretty much stopped reading and posting precisely because of threads like this one. Despite reasonable and accurate answers by long-timers Orcin and RchW, the OP just won't give up their impressions and try to learn from what smart people are telling them.

I love OOTP now more than ever and I have discovered the magic formula for enjoying it: stay off this forum. Although I miss the creativity, insight, and positive recommendations of the core members of this community, I do not miss the obstinance, whining, and stupidity that is prevalent and never-ending. It's just a drain on my enjoyment of the game.

Cheers to the vets and hasta la vista.

msupoke · 06-25-2015, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

hmm i remember a bright young guy posting some article about being fooled by randomness... who was that... <bright neon, flashing arrow above head>

LOL

You are mistaken. No one posted that.

The Wolf · 06-25-2015, 06:14 PM

Randomness and statistics are advanced concepts. I can say "small sample size" to a roomful of engineers and/or scientists and they will all nod. If I say it to a roomful of English majors all I get back are puzzled looks.

Randomness can take a long time to master. Statistics can take a lifetime. I have been studying and using statistics on and off since I was an undergraduate and spent years running SAS and I'm still not sure that I'm fully competent with them.

SwedishChef · 06-25-2015, 06:18 PM

i am going to go ahead and disagree with the main sentiments expressed in this thread. it's pretty obvious to me that you're just not very good at this game. stop playing.

BusterKing · 06-25-2015, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverRoyalKC

Is there a slider type of setting in the OOTP game?

Yes, many pitchers have a slider type they use to set up the batters, absolutely.

NoOne · 06-25-2015, 07:48 PM

some people believe vaccines make you autistic, too. it's okay to criticize them because it can cause major health issues in populated areas.

being rude to this guy over a video game is just being pretentious and immature.

David Watts · 06-25-2015, 08:17 PM

If I was Markus, I would skip 17 altogether and spend my time creating a moderator sim.

Honorable_Pawn · 06-25-2015, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SwedishChef

i am going to go ahead and disagree with the main sentiments expressed in this thread. it's pretty obvious to me that you're just not very good at this game. stop playing.

This is not a good post. Funny but not good.

awick · 06-25-2015, 08:51 PM

This thread reminds me of the "problem" Apple had with the iPod some time ago.

When Apple first sold the ipod shuffle, users complained that it was not random enough. Though the engineers at Apple had programmed the ipod shuffles to be random, people were convinced that they were not. The problem was that “the randomness didn’t appear random, since some songs were occasionally repeated.”

TLB1975 · 06-25-2015, 10:23 PM

To the OP - I understand your frustration and have experienced my own issues where I am ready to fire away on this board proclaiming this and that. I can't tell you the number of threads I was ready to start and turned around mid-post after I calmed down and saw that the data could not match my frustration. Not only has it happened, I'm sure it will happen again.

Also, in RL the Pirates, who sport the majors second best ERA, have been scored on in the first inning 5 of the last 6 games. I sure wish I could go on a message board protesting a bug!!

The Wolf · 06-25-2015, 10:44 PM

Sometimes a newcomer will bring something up that has already been addressed and debunked, often repeatedly. Yes, it's new to them, but to those of us who have been here awhile it's often a facepalm situation - oh, God, not this again. It can end up being a recipe for conflict and bad manners, often on both sides. I have no idea how to solve this, especially when the newcomers won't listen to the veterans. (Note: I have been as guilty of bad manners on this as much as almost anyone else has.)

Orcin nailed this one: small sample size (to which I would add confirmation bias), and that really should have been the end of the discussion. But on we go.

byzeil · 06-25-2015, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverRoyalKC

I did, however, manage to stop it. I went to the league settings and set the AI for 1989. And things got much more realistic!

I guess to each his own taste and expectations. Didnt look to make enemies or raise everyone else's bar to what I thought was right.

If what you changed in the setup changed what you were seeing in game and you are happy with the results then that is all that really matters.

That's one of the things that makes OOTP so great, if you don't like how things are going you can change settings and get results you like. Play it your way.

NoOne · 06-26-2015, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by byzeil

If what you changed in the setup changed what you were seeing in game and you are happy with the results then that is all that really matters.

That's one of the things that makes OOTP so great, if you don't like how things are going you can change settings and get results you like. Play it your way.

what's funny about that is... the stuff i change i typically revert back to the original way, LOL!

and i think you coined a fast food-esque phrase for OotP

"Play It Your Way"

BIG17EASY · 06-26-2015, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Randomness and statistics are advanced concepts. I can say "small sample size" to a roomful of engineers and/or scientists and they will all nod. If I say it to a roomful of English majors all I get back are puzzled looks.

Randomness can take a long time to master. Statistics can take a lifetime. I have been studying and using statistics on and off since I was an undergraduate and spent years running SAS and I'm still not sure that I'm fully competent with them.

As an English major, I resent that comment! (I jest, of course.)

I think you're right. Most people don't have the concepts of small sample size and randomness of statistics built into their lives, so they believe what they say as indicative of everyday occurrences.

awick · 06-26-2015, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BIG17EASY

I think you're right. Most people don't have the concepts of small sample size and randomness of statistics built into their lives, so they believe what they say as indicative of everyday occurrences.

Plus, we are built to seek patterns. And when we seek them, we'll usually find them.

Honorable_Pawn · 06-26-2015, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NoOne

what's funny about that is... the stuff i change i typically revert back to the original way, LOL!

and i think you coined a fast food-esque phrase for OotP

"Play It Your Way"

Nope not coined.

That exact expression has been around here for about a decade.

06-25-2015, 02:49 PM	#24
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06-25-2015, 04:57 PM	#25
JohnHoward All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 624	that's why Still playing, but I haven't been around here much lately and pretty much stopped reading and posting precisely because of threads like this one. Despite reasonable and accurate answers by long-timers Orcin and RchW, the OP just won't give up their impressions and try to learn from what smart people are telling them. I love OOTP now more than ever and I have discovered the magic formula for enjoying it: stay off this forum. Although I miss the creativity, insight, and positive recommendations of the core members of this community, I do not miss the obstinance, whining, and stupidity that is prevalent and never-ending. It's just a drain on my enjoyment of the game. Cheers to the vets and hasta la vista. Last edited by JohnHoward; 06-25-2015 at 05:05 PM. Reason: clarity, spelling

06-25-2015, 02:07 PM	#22
ForeverRoyalKC All Star Starter Join Date: May 2015 Location: Hop, skip and a jump from Pomme De Terre Lake, MO. Posts: 1,226	It's not that I am trying to cement my opinion into this forum. There are many times that you listen to your favorite team on radio or see them on tv for weeks and months (if life will let you catch them that often and consistent) and the first full inning is three up, three down or a hit here and there. Yes, there is first inning scoring one, two games in a row or three out of four. Or two or three hits in each half of a first full inning without scoring, but I believe what I was seeing is a bit much. We can split hairs and pulll this subject in several different directions, but I have watched and listened to many games in a row and I've never seen this happen! I just went thru the last 37 games in the real major league schedule June 23, 24, 25. And 16 out of thirty seven had first inning scoring. I had 30 out of 36! That gives you a somewhat more realistic look! I did, however, manage to stop it. I went to the league settings and set the AI for 1989. And things got much more realistic! I guess to each his own taste and expectations. Didnt look to make enemies or raise everyone else's bar to what I thought was right.

06-25-2015, 06:18 PM	#28
SwedishChef Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 109	i am going to go ahead and disagree with the main sentiments expressed in this thread. it's pretty obvious to me that you're just not very good at this game. stop playing.

06-25-2015, 07:48 PM	#30
NoOne Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,273 Infractions: 0/1 (3)	some people believe vaccines make you autistic, too. it's okay to criticize them because it can cause major health issues in populated areas. being rude to this guy over a video game is just being pretentious and immature.

06-25-2015, 08:17 PM	#31
David Watts Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Looking for a place called Leehofooks Posts: 10,168 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	If I was Markus, I would skip 17 altogether and spend my time creating a moderator sim.

06-25-2015, 08:51 PM	#33
awick Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Lansing, NY Posts: 313	This thread reminds me of the "problem" Apple had with the iPod some time ago. When Apple first sold the ipod shuffle, users complained that it was not random enough. Though the engineers at Apple had programmed the ipod shuffles to be random, people were convinced that they were not. The problem was that “the randomness didn’t appear random, since some songs were occasionally repeated.”

06-25-2015, 10:23 PM	#34
TLB1975 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 371	To the OP - I understand your frustration and have experienced my own issues where I am ready to fire away on this board proclaiming this and that. I can't tell you the number of threads I was ready to start and turned around mid-post after I calmed down and saw that the data could not match my frustration. Not only has it happened, I'm sure it will happen again. Also, in RL the Pirates, who sport the majors second best ERA, have been scored on in the first inning 5 of the last 6 games. I sure wish I could go on a message board protesting a bug!!