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Killing Time · 06-04-2010, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

If it's the "mustard" kind, you have my vote.

Yes, with eggs and onions and dill pickles and celery. If she tells me she's making it I drive right over. Her deviled eggs are just amazing too. I once ate 36 of them in one sitting.

Pastrami on rye with potato salad and red sauerkraut and deviled eggs at my mom's is my idea of heaven.

Curtis · 06-04-2010, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by spitfire

The 262 had twin jet engines. It had BETTER be faster and capable of carrying more ordnance than a prop-driven P-51!

The 262 certainly upped the ante over what the allies could put in the air at that point. But if you compare like with like, say the P-51 with the FW-190 or the Spitfire with the ME-109, it's pretty even.

The P-51 should be compared to the Ta-152, which was also prop-driven. I think it loses, but others disagree.

The Me-262 was shorter ranged, less maneuverable and (if I remember correctly) had a lower service ceiling than the P-51 — at least the late war model. It also served a different purpose. The P-51 was an all-purpose plane, nearly equally adept as a fighter, escort and fighter-bomber. The Me-262 was probably the supreme interdictor (anti-bomber) airplane prior to the 1950s.

For the role the Germans needed it to fill in the last year of their war, the Me was the 'best' plane, but far too expensive and complex to make. And by then there wasn't enough time to train pilots to fly it, so they had to re-train existing pilots. This killed a lot of good pilots, and took hundreds more out of the cockpits they were familiar with and 'wasted' them in training when they could've been flying operationally in inferior craft.

Not that we're off-topic, or anything.

MizzouRah · 06-04-2010, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Killing Time

Yes, with eggs and onions and dill pickles and celery. If she tells me she's making it I drive right over. Her deviled eggs are just amazing too. I once ate 36 of them in one sitting.

Pastrami on rye with potato salad and red sauerkraut and deviled eggs at my mom's is my idea of heaven.

Ok, I'm hungry now!

Cras · 06-04-2010, 11:29 AM

The thing that impressed me about the P-51 was how quick the plane could be built. It was nothing other than a dog-fighter, not multi role being that small.

Very difficult to fly, taxiing with your head out the window like Ace Ventura, and you better master the water injection to keep your engine from becoming a molten pile of metal, but it had a very high ceiling and was extremly fast (for what it was and the time it was built).

moore4807 · 06-04-2010, 12:11 PM

On the P-51 "off topic" conversation, The P-51 was originally designed as a ground attack fighter bomber with an Allison engine and then got exported to the British and others (export versions were curiously named the Apache) because it was ruled by the Army air forces as inferior to the existing P-40 with the orginal American Allison engine.

ONLY after the Brit's got so fed up with the original Apache they put a more powerful Merlin engine (from the Spitfire V) did the Mustang come to be, with the US quickly producing Mustangs with a licensed version of the Merlin engine in it. As a side note it also had quite a reputation of a test pilot killer after the Merlin engine was installed. The P-51 had compression dive problems similar to the P-38 and had to have several modifications made in the field because pilots that pushed over into a dive, simply couldnt control the plane as the heavier engine and pull would regularly exceed the plane's flight envelope and the plane would rip its wings off in flight straight into the ground/water etc. This was solved by extended waffles/baffles being added to the wings that were extended by the pilot for added drag that kept the plane's speed at a controllable level.

I learned this from being an avid WW2 aerial fan and met a very knowledgable P-51D pilot at an airshow in Reading PA who kindly answered every one of my questions as a child and kept in touch over the years before he passed away. RIP Rocky

Cras · 06-04-2010, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by moore4807

On the P-51 "off topic" conversation, The P-51 was originally designed as a ground attack fighter bomber with an Allison engine and then got exported to the British and others (export versions were curiously named the Apache) because it was ruled by the Army air forces as inferior to the existing P-40 with the orginal American Allison engine.

ONLY after the Brit's got so fed up with the original Apache they put a more powerful Merlin engine (from the Spitfire V) did the Mustang come to be, with the US quickly producing Mustangs with a licensed version of the Merlin engine in it. As a side note it also had quite a reputation of a test pilot killer after the Merlin engine was installed. The P-51 had compression dive problems similar to the P-38 and had to have several modifications made in the field because pilots that pushed over into a dive, simply couldnt control the plane as the heavier engine and pull would regularly exceed the plane's flight envelope and the plane would rip its wings off in flight straight into the ground/water etc. This was solved by extended waffles/baffles being added to the wings that were extended by the pilot for added drag that kept the plane's speed at a controllable level.

I learned this from being an avid WW2 aerial fan and met a very knowledgable P-51D pilot at an airshow in Reading PA who kindly answered every one of my questions as a child and kept in touch over the years before he passed away. RIP Rocky

Great post. I admit my knowledge on the older planes is not very deep, I tend to read up more on the modern jets, especially the jetliners. Love reading things like this.

moore4807 · 06-04-2010, 12:47 PM

From your AVA avatar I'm assuming you might be someone who plays airline simulations? I happen to be a fan of Airline V6.2 by Efzed (Austrailan outfit) I wondered what your favorite is?

Cras · 06-04-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by moore4807

From your AVA avatar I'm assuming you might be someone who plays airline simulations? I happen to be a fan of Airline V6.2 by Efzed (Austrailan outfit) I wondered what your favorite is?

I have played Airline 6. Waiting for Airline 7 to come out...still.

Airline 6 just gets very overwhelming with all the little things you are required to do, and the AI seems to act very "dumb". Hoping those things are improved in the new version.

I play Flight Simulator X near daily, and dare say take it quite seriously. Love flying commercial jetliners, especially into those thougher airports, San Diego, Palm Springs, Washington National, Eldorado.

One game I always found fun, though not a simulation in any sense of the word, was the old Airline Tycoon game. Cartoonish, but fun because you could sabotage your competitors, run around the airport to meet with mechanics and what I guess would be the FBO. Heard a new version is supposed to come out later this year, early next year.

moore4807 · 06-04-2010, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cras

I have played Airline 6. Waiting for Airline 7 to come out...still.

Airline 6 just gets very overwhelming with all the little things you are required to do, and the AI seems to act very "dumb". Hoping those things are improved in the new version.

I play Flight Simulator X near daily, and dare say take it quite seriously. Love flying commercial jetliners, especially into those thougher airports, San Diego, Palm Springs, Washington National, Eldorado.

One game I always found fun, though not a simulation in any sense of the word, was the old Airline Tycoon game. Cartoonish, but fun because you could sabotage your competitors, run around the airport to meet with mechanics and what I guess would be the FBO. Heard a new version is supposed to come out later this year, early next year.

I couldnt agree more about Airline 6 and .....still waiting on V7 too..lol
I liked the old Airline tycoon, I hope they come up with something comparable to OOTP in Airline. The "dumb AI and playing step by step", I get around it by playing from 1946 and doing freight runs only (there are some interesting configurations to be made out of ordinary passenger planes) and I avoid the contracts at all costs. I Pretty much quit by 1965 because I cornered the continent & market and have too many routes/planes to keep track of...sigh maybe an auto assistant/executive that actually DOES something???...lol I just end up repeating what you said...

Killing Time · 06-04-2010, 02:12 PM

I gave up on Airline 6 as it was a total bugfest.

Cras · 06-04-2010, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Killing Time

I gave up on Airline 6 as it was a total bugfest.

Indeed. Can't tell you how many times my saved games would get corrupted because of a crash. And the way the game goes into a fullscreen mode with no exit just makes using the thing even more annoying.

Malleus Dei · 06-04-2010, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Who makes the best potato salad?

Germans, of course. What a silly question.

Cras · 06-04-2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Who makes the best potato salad?

I thought it was Boeing? Or maybe I am getting confused...

OldFatGuy · 06-04-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Killing Time

Her deviled eggs are just amazing too. I once ate 36 of them in one sitting.

36 Deviled Eggs??

I sure hope your friends and family were able to stay upwind from you after that.

gpellis · 06-04-2010, 04:23 PM

How much do owners care? I'm literally 50 million over my budget each year and my owner approves every signing I make.

MizzouRah · 06-04-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

36 Deviled Eggs??

I sure hope your friends and family were able to stay upwind from you after that.

LOL.. I had to read that twice.. 36? I think we need a deviled egg eating contest!

JustinM · 06-04-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by gpellis

How much do owners care? I'm literally 50 million over my budget each year and my owner approves every signing I make.

Depends on the personality of the owner.

Killing Time · 06-04-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OldFatGuy

36 Deviled Eggs??

I sure hope your friends and family were able to stay upwind from you after that.

No worries, my system loves eggs.

Killing Time · 06-04-2010, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

LOL.. I had to read that twice.. 36? I think we need a deviled egg eating contest!

I could eat 80 if I had to.

I dare anyone here to beat my live cockroach eating record. I ate 42 to win the campus contest when I was a sophomore.

MizzouRah · 06-04-2010, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Killing Time

I could eat 80 if I had to.

I dare anyone here to beat my live cockroach eating record. I ate 42 to win the campus contest when I was a sophomore.

No thanks!

06-04-2010, 11:29 AM	#24
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06-04-2010, 12:11 PM	#25
moore4807 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Punta Gorda FL. Posts: 1,389	On the P-51 "off topic" conversation, The P-51 was originally designed as a ground attack fighter bomber with an Allison engine and then got exported to the British and others (export versions were curiously named the Apache) because it was ruled by the Army air forces as inferior to the existing P-40 with the orginal American Allison engine. ONLY after the Brit's got so fed up with the original Apache they put a more powerful Merlin engine (from the Spitfire V) did the Mustang come to be, with the US quickly producing Mustangs with a licensed version of the Merlin engine in it. As a side note it also had quite a reputation of a test pilot killer after the Merlin engine was installed. The P-51 had compression dive problems similar to the P-38 and had to have several modifications made in the field because pilots that pushed over into a dive, simply couldnt control the plane as the heavier engine and pull would regularly exceed the plane's flight envelope and the plane would rip its wings off in flight straight into the ground/water etc. This was solved by extended waffles/baffles being added to the wings that were extended by the pilot for added drag that kept the plane's speed at a controllable level. I learned this from being an avid WW2 aerial fan and met a very knowledgable P-51D pilot at an airshow in Reading PA who kindly answered every one of my questions as a child and kept in touch over the years before he passed away. RIP Rocky

06-04-2010, 12:47 PM	#27
moore4807 All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Punta Gorda FL. Posts: 1,389	From your AVA avatar I'm assuming you might be someone who plays airline simulations? I happen to be a fan of Airline V6.2 by Efzed (Austrailan outfit) I wondered what your favorite is?

06-04-2010, 04:23 PM	#35
gpellis Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 180	How much do owners care? I'm literally 50 million over my budget each year and my owner approves every signing I make.