Armando Galarraga has a Perfect Game stolen from him by an ump - Page 2

crackpott · 06-03-2010, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MorseMoose

I still say error because Cabrera's throw was off target.

Couldn't have been that off target if they threw the guy out.

damientheomen3 · 06-03-2010, 12:45 AM

Didn't CC try to appeal a hit call as an error which would have made the game a no hitter when he was with Milwaukee? Can't Galarraga do something to that effect?

outrider64 · 06-03-2010, 12:51 AM

It was an UMPERFECT game 28 up,28 down

Selig needs to show he has balls and overturn that call! Make it right BUD!

mrskippy · 06-03-2010, 01:00 AM

If they ruled it an error, at least he would still get the no-hitter.

damientheomen3 · 06-03-2010, 01:02 AM

I love how MSN, being the monumental morons they are, keep titling their articles about it 'pitcher loses perfect game on controversial call' and stuff like that. I don't know about you, but to me, a controversial call is a call that goes one way that half of the fans out there think should have gone another way, not a play that was so ridiculously obvious that it's a shame to call it what it was called.

Le Grande Orange · 06-03-2010, 02:12 AM

Ah, never mind.

Left-handed Badger · 06-03-2010, 02:16 AM

*paging Whitey Herzog, to find out what he thinks of such blown calls*

Left-handed Badger · 06-03-2010, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by stevebydac

While I know MLB is loath to reverse umpiring calls, this one instance seems pretty cut and dried.

1. The outcome of the game would not change. It was the final out of the game. The Tigers still won. The two teams records would not change.

2. It is not a "maybe" call, like a ball/strike call, or a bang/bang play at first. It was extremely obvious on replay that he was out - not even close.

3. The Indians would not protest a reversal.

4. This is SUCH a historic event (only 20 ever) that it just HAS TO be recognized.

Well, the next batter would lose an AB, which would be healthy for the BA/OBP.

RchW · 06-03-2010, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mrskippy

If they ruled it an error, at least he would still get the no-hitter.

There is no possible way to score that play as an error.

Left-handed Badger · 06-03-2010, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by crackpott

There were no dropped balls or missed throws. If he WAS safe (he wasn't) it would have been a legitimate infield single as he just simply beat out the throw.

Errors in baseball are weird. If a ball is hit to the shortstop and he holds onto it and doesn't bother to easily throw a dude out... single.

If two players just miss a popup between them with neither actually touching it... also a hit.

Ehh, to get an error nowadays you pretty much have to have the ball blatantly go through your legs, or you severely bobble it to enable a runner advancement. Or you throw it away. 10-15 years I would regularly see plays ruled an error that would floor me on how such a tough play could get an error. The last 3 years, I have seen some real stinker of fielding plays get called hits which make me think how such an easy to field play be called a hit. Maybe just dont want to have to figure out unearned vs. eArned runs, I dont know.

Left-handed Badger · 06-03-2010, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by crackpott

Really? Why the hell do they never seem to give players errors in these situations?

I've seen an infield popup fall due to miscommunication get called an error I believe in an Oriole game a few years ago. (which brought up painful JV team memories, as we did that one time). Personally, I would have called it a hit. No one touched it.

Tony M · 06-03-2010, 02:53 AM

More to the point, what was Jason Arnold doing attempting to make contact and then running full pelt when the previous 26 at bats have all ended in an out. Doesn't he realise that the 'rules' say you shouldn't try and break up a no-hitter/perfect game...

jazzrack · 06-03-2010, 03:19 AM

i'm gonna play a little bit devils advocate here, not much because he should have been out.

looking at the stills and the video posted. in the video the guy is out by 3 feet, in the stills from left field the runner is about at the bag and the ball is just in the tip of the glove. you could make an arguement that the guy is shortarming the catch, and in the video, from the back it looks like he is having trouble controling the catch.

what i could use is a good centerfield TV shot.

turdfurgeson · 06-03-2010, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jazzrack

i'm gonna play a little bit devils advocate here, not much because he should have been out.

looking at the stills and the video posted. in the video the guy is out by 3 feet, in the stills from left field the runner is about at the bag and the ball is just in the tip of the glove. you could make an arguement that the guy is shortarming the catch, and in the video, from the back it looks like he is having trouble controling the catch.

what i could use is a good centerfield TV shot.

I was just watching the replay again on sportscenter. It did from one angle look like the ball went deep into the mit, then kind of squirted to the tip of the glove.

That could have been what the ump saw.

funkadillo · 06-03-2010, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by turdfurgeson

I was just watching the replay again on sportscenter. It did from one angle look like the ball went deep into the mit, then kind of squirted to the tip of the glove.

That could have been what the ump saw.

No, Joyce said he thought the runner beat the throw. After seeing the replay he said he blew "the biggest call of his career". More quotes from him here: Umpire Jim Joyce: 'I took a perfect game away' from Tigers' Armando Galarraga | - MLive.com

Sdpm100 · 06-03-2010, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by damientheomen3

I love how MSN, being the monumental morons they are, keep titling their articles about it 'pitcher loses perfect game on controversial call' and stuff like that. I don't know about you, but to me, a controversial call is a call that goes one way that half of the fans out there think should have gone another way, not a play that was so ridiculously obvious that it's a shame to call it what it was called.

So that's pretty much every call made then isn't it?

Sdpm100 · 06-03-2010, 05:03 AM

Going back to the perfect game bit, it shows you how poor quality MLB is if you're getting the likes of Dallas Braden and Armando Galarraga throwing perfect games within weeks of each other, yet have no real previous evidence to suggest they're one of the all-time bests. I realise some that have aren't either, but two in such a short time seems overly strange. Plus there must have been about half-a-dozen perfect games taken into the eighth inning already this season.

Tony M · 06-03-2010, 05:45 AM

The blown call didn't affect the outcome of the game, so it can't be overturned. What I don't get though is how a perfect game 'shows' that a pitcher is absolutely on-song. Unless they strike out all 27 batters faced they will have had to rely on at least one of the other 8 players on the field.

If that catch hadn't been made in the 8th yesterday there'd definitely have been no perfect game, but there isn't a single person on here who could say that the pitcher was in control of his destiny at that point. If the fielder had deflected that ball, he'd have got the blame for losing the perfect game, not the pitcher who left a ball that almost got taken out of the ground.

Goody · 06-03-2010, 06:18 AM

There could be a blown call in the 3rd inning that causes a pitcher to have a rough inning that wouldn't have existed had it not been called wrong. I just don't think you should change the rules or how baseball works because the guy didn't get into the history books. The ump tried to make the best call and didn't just call him out because of the situation.

You want a sure perfect game, strike him out!

Left-handed Badger · 06-03-2010, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

Going back to the perfect game bit, it shows you how poor quality MLB is if you're getting the likes of Dallas Braden and Armando Galarraga throwing perfect games within weeks of each other, yet have no real previous evidence to suggest they're one of the all-time bests. I realise some that have aren't either, but two in such a short time seems overly strange. Plus there must have been about half-a-dozen perfect games taken into the eighth inning already this season.

It is wierd, I know. But, we didnt have a single perfect game from 1922 till 1956. Which seems ridiculously long even for perfect game standards.

I'm still mad, I left my dad's house early the day Wells pitched a perfect game. I've never even seen a no-hitter start to finish much less a perfect game.

(course, I woudnt have except I couldnt take listening to Suzyn Waldman)

06-03-2010, 12:51 AM	#23
outrider64 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In The Bleachers Posts: 420	It was an UMPERFECT game 28 up,28 down Selig needs to show he has balls and overturn that call! Make it right BUD! Last edited by outrider64; 06-03-2010 at 12:59 AM.

06-03-2010, 02:16 AM	#27
Left-handed Badger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: at the altar of the baseball god praying for middle infield that can catch the ball Posts: 2,036	paging Whitey Herzog, to find out what he thinks of such blown calls __________________ -Left-handed groundball specialist -Strikeouts are for wimps

06-03-2010, 02:53 AM	#32
Tony M Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Here Posts: 6,156	More to the point, what was Jason Arnold doing attempting to make contact and then running full pelt when the previous 26 at bats have all ended in an out. Doesn't he realise that the 'rules' say you shouldn't try and break up a no-hitter/perfect game... __________________ This signature is intentionally blank

06-03-2010, 03:19 AM	#33
jazzrack Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: still kicking Posts: 3,229	i'm gonna play a little bit devils advocate here, not much because he should have been out. looking at the stills and the video posted. in the video the guy is out by 3 feet, in the stills from left field the runner is about at the bag and the ball is just in the tip of the glove. you could make an arguement that the guy is shortarming the catch, and in the video, from the back it looks like he is having trouble controling the catch. what i could use is a good centerfield TV shot. __________________ . "Never confuse composure for ease" Was once Head Cheese of Corporate League Baseball

06-03-2010, 05:45 AM	#38
Tony M Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Here Posts: 6,156	The blown call didn't affect the outcome of the game, so it can't be overturned. What I don't get though is how a perfect game 'shows' that a pitcher is absolutely on-song. Unless they strike out all 27 batters faced they will have had to rely on at least one of the other 8 players on the field. If that catch hadn't been made in the 8th yesterday there'd definitely have been no perfect game, but there isn't a single person on here who could say that the pitcher was in control of his destiny at that point. If the fielder had deflected that ball, he'd have got the blame for losing the perfect game, not the pitcher who left a ball that almost got taken out of the ground. __________________ This signature is intentionally blank

06-03-2010, 01:00 AM	#24
mrskippy All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,011	If they ruled it an error, at least he would still get the no-hitter.

06-03-2010, 02:12 AM	#26
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,644	Ah, never mind.

06-03-2010, 05:03 AM	#37
Sdpm100 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheltenham, England Posts: 7,644	Going back to the perfect game bit, it shows you how poor quality MLB is if you're getting the likes of Dallas Braden and Armando Galarraga throwing perfect games within weeks of each other, yet have no real previous evidence to suggest they're one of the all-time bests. I realise some that have aren't either, but two in such a short time seems overly strange. Plus there must have been about half-a-dozen perfect games taken into the eighth inning already this season.

06-03-2010, 06:18 AM	#39
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	There could be a blown call in the 3rd inning that causes a pitcher to have a rough inning that wouldn't have existed had it not been called wrong. I just don't think you should change the rules or how baseball works because the guy didn't get into the history books. The ump tried to make the best call and didn't just call him out because of the situation. You want a sure perfect game, strike him out! __________________ In the past: Laseron Baseball Association creator. Present: I am Rezulm on PT and OOTP Discord. Future: I wish it was the past.