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jbergey22 · 05-14-2010, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by edm

I don't blame Lebron or his shoulder, I just think Boston was the better team and should have been favored from the start.

Yeah, Cleveland had the better regular season record, but against who, teams like Sixers, Nets, and Knicks. I know Boston played the same teams, but being an older team they took a lot of nights off, looking ahead to the playoffs. They are still a stacked team. Ray Allen, Garnett, Pierce, Wallace, and Rondo who is just coming into his own. Lebron was the best player on the floor, but Boston is the better team, by far.

If you took out the highlighted words Id be more likely to agree with you.

kenyan_cheena · 05-14-2010, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by edm

I don't blame Lebron or his shoulder, I just think Boston was the better team and should have been favored from the start.

Yeah, Cleveland had the better regular season record, but against who, teams like Sixers, Nets, and Knicks. I know Boston played the same teams, but being an older team they took a lot of nights off, looking ahead to the playoffs. They are still a stacked team. Ray Allen, Garnett, Pierce, Wallace, and Rondo who is just coming into his own. Lebron was the best player on the floor, but Boston is the better team, by far.

That might be true, but there's one thing I can't figure out.
The Cavs won game 3 in Boston 124-95.

They took back the home court and momentum, but that was their final win of the series. How did they go from that victory to losing three straight?

Left-handed Badger · 05-14-2010, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobbuttons

I think it's funny that people keep saying that, because there is no way in hell he plays there next year. He may not stay in Cleveland (though if he doesn't, he should be ashamed for how he went out with this team), but one place he will not go is to the Knicks.

Not if he wants a supporting cast he wont. He might have to shoot 50 times a night.

Left-handed Badger · 05-14-2010, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

I dont know this is fact. I am simply going by what the articles are saying. Id probably agree with you as I cant see how it can make that big of a difference but articles I have read projected 100's of millions in endorsements for the king in New York.

Only IF NY sudddenly became good. Most likely he'd just be the best on a bad team. Not sure, you make millions more being the star of an annual lottery pick. Then again, Cleveland was awful before he came there. But, they at least had a coherent plan to get better. NY, not so much.

edm · 05-14-2010, 01:14 PM

I dont know why, but the more I hear people say he wont end up in NY, the more I think he will. One advantage the Knicks have is, dont they have two or three max contract spots open? so if they can get a commitment from someone like Bosh or Wade, that could be a big selling point for Lebron.

Chicago may be the favorite, but he would always be second fiddle to Jordan there, which might turn him off.

in the end, I hope the decides to stay in Cleveland.

miami_fan · 05-14-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by edm

I dont know why, but the more I hear people say he wont end up in NY, the more I think he will. One advantage the Knicks have is, dont they have two or three max contract spots open? so if they can get a commitment from someone like Bosh or Wade, that could be a big selling point for Lebron.

Chicago may be the favorite, but he would always be second fiddle to Jordan there, which might turn him off.

in the end, I hope the decides to stay in Cleveland.

I don't think the Jordan influence makes any difference. It is not like MJ is going to be sitting at court side every night. As far as NY goes, I think this series makes it harder for him to go to NY. Yes the Knicks can sign Lebron and another max guy. Then what? It is at least the same situation that he is dealing with in Cleveland. The Knicks would need to renouce their rights to David Lee to get two max guys. Is Lebron, another max pay guy and the leftovers in NY better than what he has in Cleveland? I don't believe he is going to listen to any more promises of teams bringing in talent. I think he wants to go to a team where he can compete next year for a title a la KG going to Boston. If he is going to go anywhere, Chicago is the best place for him.

TribeFanInNC · 05-14-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

If he is going to go anywhere, Chicago is the best place for him.

I don't know, I think LBJ would be better off with a different sort of player than Rose. James is more of a distributer. Really they would be competing for the same function. What he really needs is someone that can knock down 3's all day and a rebounder who isn't fat and 38.

AnotherAlias · 05-15-2010, 09:37 AM

LeBronselbow, magicsjohnson?

All this thread needs now is Ann Coulter's legs and the circle will become complete!

TGH-Adfabre · 05-15-2010, 12:53 PM

He should go to Boston or Orlando. If his priority is to win Boston would be the next 2-3 season, Orlando would be the next 6-7 if Howard stays healthy.
3-7 consecutive championships will do more for endorsment money than Gamorrah will. He would walk away from the game as the nest player ever if he spends 5-7 years with Howard.
I am sure the money will present a minor hurdle while they figure out how to restructure a few contracts and who they need to trade to clear space. In the end these seem to be the smartest places for him to land. I would probably put Orlando first.

Beat L.A.!

RchW · 05-17-2010, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

LeBronselbow, magicsjohnson?

All this thread needs now is Ann Coulter's legs and the circle will become complete!

I was thinking another body part for which Coulter is a synonym.

mrskippy · 05-18-2010, 02:45 AM

I think Lebron could very well stay in Cleveland. This is, FWIW, his home team -- given that he is from Akron. He he does not stay in Cleveland, it is hard to say where he could go. You have the Knicks and I think they would be the frontrunner. That said, the NBA is not all about market size like in MLB. He could just as easily land in a place like Sacramento or Oklahoma City. If he wants to play in a large market, the Clippers become a contender and might help give the Lakers some competition in the LA market. However, you have many other teams that have been willing to spend and they are not necessarily in the larger markets. I do not see him going to Chicago or the Lakers.

mrskippy · 05-18-2010, 02:48 AM

Of course ... do not forget the Charlotte Bobcats. I could see MJ giving a contract to Lebron.

Bobbuttons · 05-18-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

I was thinking another body part for which Coulter is a synonym.

Anne Coulter's Adam's Apple?

Scoman · 05-18-2010, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kenyan_cheena

That might be true, but there's one thing I can't figure out.
The Cavs won game 3 in Boston 124-95.

They took back the home court and momentum, but that was their final win of the series. How did they go from that victory to losing three straight?

My guess is thats when Lebron found out Delonte was doin his mom.

kcroyalgm · 05-18-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by edm

I don't blame Lebron or his shoulder, I just think Boston was the better team and should have been favored from the start.

Yeah, Cleveland had the better regular season record, but against who, teams like Sixers, Nets, and Knicks. I know Boston played the same teams, but being an older team they took a lot of nights off, looking ahead to the playoffs. They are still a stacked team. Ray Allen, Garnett, Pierce, Wallace, and Rondo who is just coming into his own. Lebron was the best player on the floor, but Boston is the better team, by far.

What he said.

marc · 05-22-2010, 07:36 PM

I don't see Lebron winning in Cleveland. That supporting cast is a joke. Shaq is a shell of his former self, Mo Williams is one of the most overrated players in the NBA, and Antwan Jamison at this point is just a role player.

You need two stars to win, Cleveland doesn't have a second star nor do they have the flexibility to really bring in that second star in the next year or two.

He should go to Chicago, Rose would be the best player he's ever played with and Noah is the type of player that would compliment him very well.

The only other scenario that I think would be better would be somehow working out a sign and trade with Orlando involving Vince 'there is a hole where my beating heart should be' Carter.

Of course if I was a Cavs fan and they traded the best player on the planet for Vince Carter I would drown myself in Lake Erie.

marc · 05-22-2010, 07:40 PM

Also, the money thing is being blown out of proportion IMO. Any team that can afford to sign him in free agency can afford to acquire him in a sign and trade deal.

Technically Lebron would be leaving about 30 million on the table if he signs elsewhere but that's a bit misleading. He can't get a 6 year deal (only a 5) so he really only loses that 30 million if you assume that in 5 years nobody in the NBA will want to sign him, I doubt that happens.

Otherwise, the difference in salary per year that Cleveland could pay him as opposed to another team is pretty minimal, especially if winning is truly important.

Bryan Swartz · 05-22-2010, 08:27 PM

I don't think Chicago's a good fit -- Rose and LeBron are both players who need to have the ball a lot to be their most effective. Their games just don't complement each other that well I don't think.

hayesb26 · 05-23-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by marc

He can't get a 6 year deal (only a 5) so he really only loses that 30 million if you assume that in 5 years nobody in the NBA will want to sign him, I doubt that happens.

ahhh the media has been driving me CRAZY with this! he is not leaving anything close to 30M on the table, due to that extra year you mentioned. clearly somebody will pay him the max in that extra season, so he's probably losing something closer to 7M. big deal for a guy like him!

turdfurgeson · 05-23-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by TribeFanInNC

I don't know, I think LBJ would be better off with a different sort of player than Rose. James is more of a distributer. Really they would be competing for the same function. What he really needs is someone that can knock down 3's all day and a rebounder who isn't fat and 38.

I agree with this statement.

IF Lebron is going to leave Cleveland, I would love to see him get creative. Why not look for a team that has a good chance to compete for the next few years, as well as some contracts coming off the books, and a good history of trying to compete year in and year out.

Sign there on a shorter contract for less money, compete for a championship, then re up for the max at age 28 or 29.

I am sure the players Union would try to disown him, but that to me would speak volumes about his commitment to win.

05-14-2010, 01:14 PM	#25
edm All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,999	I dont know why, but the more I hear people say he wont end up in NY, the more I think he will. One advantage the Knicks have is, dont they have two or three max contract spots open? so if they can get a commitment from someone like Bosh or Wade, that could be a big selling point for Lebron. Chicago may be the favorite, but he would always be second fiddle to Jordan there, which might turn him off. in the end, I hope the decides to stay in Cleveland. Last edited by edm; 05-14-2010 at 01:16 PM.

05-15-2010, 12:53 PM	#29
TGH-Adfabre Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,601	He should go to Boston or Orlando. If his priority is to win Boston would be the next 2-3 season, Orlando would be the next 6-7 if Howard stays healthy. 3-7 consecutive championships will do more for endorsment money than Gamorrah will. He would walk away from the game as the nest player ever if he spends 5-7 years with Howard. I am sure the money will present a minor hurdle while they figure out how to restructure a few contracts and who they need to trade to clear space. In the end these seem to be the smartest places for him to land. I would probably put Orlando first. Beat L.A.! __________________ You mock me, therefore I am My wife

05-22-2010, 07:36 PM	#36
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	I don't see Lebron winning in Cleveland. That supporting cast is a joke. Shaq is a shell of his former self, Mo Williams is one of the most overrated players in the NBA, and Antwan Jamison at this point is just a role player. You need two stars to win, Cleveland doesn't have a second star nor do they have the flexibility to really bring in that second star in the next year or two. He should go to Chicago, Rose would be the best player he's ever played with and Noah is the type of player that would compliment him very well. The only other scenario that I think would be better would be somehow working out a sign and trade with Orlando involving Vince 'there is a hole where my beating heart should be' Carter. Of course if I was a Cavs fan and they traded the best player on the planet for Vince Carter I would drown myself in Lake Erie. __________________

05-22-2010, 07:40 PM	#37
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	Also, the money thing is being blown out of proportion IMO. Any team that can afford to sign him in free agency can afford to acquire him in a sign and trade deal. Technically Lebron would be leaving about 30 million on the table if he signs elsewhere but that's a bit misleading. He can't get a 6 year deal (only a 5) so he really only loses that 30 million if you assume that in 5 years nobody in the NBA will want to sign him, I doubt that happens. Otherwise, the difference in salary per year that Cleveland could pay him as opposed to another team is pretty minimal, especially if winning is truly important. __________________

05-15-2010, 09:37 AM	#28
AnotherAlias Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I'm back...for now Posts: 4,190	LeBronselbow, magicsjohnson? All this thread needs now is Ann Coulter's legs and the circle will become complete!

05-18-2010, 02:45 AM	#31
mrskippy All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,011	I think Lebron could very well stay in Cleveland. This is, FWIW, his home team -- given that he is from Akron. He he does not stay in Cleveland, it is hard to say where he could go. You have the Knicks and I think they would be the frontrunner. That said, the NBA is not all about market size like in MLB. He could just as easily land in a place like Sacramento or Oklahoma City. If he wants to play in a large market, the Clippers become a contender and might help give the Lakers some competition in the LA market. However, you have many other teams that have been willing to spend and they are not necessarily in the larger markets. I do not see him going to Chicago or the Lakers.

05-18-2010, 02:48 AM	#32
mrskippy All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,011	Of course ... do not forget the Charlotte Bobcats. I could see MJ giving a contract to Lebron.

05-22-2010, 08:27 PM	#38
Bryan Swartz Major Leagues Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 457	I don't think Chicago's a good fit -- Rose and LeBron are both players who need to have the ball a lot to be their most effective. Their games just don't complement each other that well I don't think.