I'm not complaining - Page 2

jf7623 · 06-03-2006, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockpsl76

Actually I just want my money back. I have no interest in playing this game any longer.

Well sorry you feel that way. I guess you have no patience at all. Try pong, you might be actually be able to play that

Willrogers · 06-03-2006, 12:58 PM

[quote=MTXperience]As a programmer myself, I'd like you to back up this comment in some way. Show us an app of yours there big guy. Give us Exhibit A of why the game is "poorly programmed". Note the 2 m's... that's what us in the profesion call correct spelling.

Profession LOL Note the 2 s' chief

canadiancreed · 06-03-2006, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by f.montoya

Hey Marc, is this guy on the payroll?

ROFL!!!!!

canadiancreed · 06-03-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagrims

Could be that he meant to type "pro gamer" and just put an extra "r" in there.

is there such a thing? If so I've made a poor career choice. Pro gaming would have been a blast.

canadiancreed · 06-03-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by WWBL Commissioner

Well an opinion yes, and had he poped in a said "I think the game could have been done better by ________" or something like "If I had programmed this game I would have ______"

But instead he came in, took a shot at the programmer on his own forum, and didnt back it up at all. Seems a pretty classless, jackass kind of move

you expected it to deviate from the script? Shame on you.

canadiancreed · 06-03-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockpsl76

Since this is the only intelligent rebutal I've seen. This is the one I'll reply to.

Hmm personal attacks to a wide audience. Nice start.

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Originally Posted by Rockpsl76

My basis for calling the programming poor is the fact that the game had just crashed my system 30 times in the last 10 hours.

So do many various programs on many various systems, does this mean that all of those software applications are poorly programmed as well? To cite an example, a client of mine had Outlook crash with roughly the same frequency as what you've mentioned. What Outlook poorly programmed(all M$ jokes aside)? Actually no, because it was finally determined that the MSI Installer on the system had become corrupt, thus when Outlook was installed, it was installed incorrectly and hence the errors and crashes. Unlike items like simple webpages, apps and what not, operating systems are a complex beast. There are a multitude of items that can and will affect your software's performance at all stages, which is why you're not hearing this issue to be affecting everyone, which it would if it was poorly programmed.

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Originally Posted by Rockpsl76

What I find amusing is that so many people are ready to tell me "prove it" when I say its bad programming, but everyone thinks its fine and dandy for the original poster to say it was programmed well.

You are trying to prove a point that is not shared by the majority, as this issue does not affect the majority. Hence why to sway folks to your side and line of thinking, you will need to cite proof that your view is indeed, the correct one. That's just the way debates work, you can't just make staements like "this game was designed by a untrained chimpanzee, I could do better!", or the like and not give examples as to how you would take steps to improve it, unless you just wanted to make broad statements and not care if anyone else saw your view on the subject. Of course as you've seen, that argumentive method is pretty in-effective on message boards, as in life.

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Originally Posted by Rockpsl76

Obviously he intended to mean the designers of the game were awesome, but he said programmers, which is a very different thing, thus my response.

HOw do you know this? Has hasn't chaned his title, perhaps a private PM has been exchanged? Right now it looks like he is offering kudos to the programmer of the game (as far as I've heard, there is only one), and it doesn't look like it's changed any. Maybe a PM to him explaining that he probably menat something else could be effective? Make sure to give a reason why it should be so though.

judging by the responses, most folks agree that the game has been programmed well, as evident by the resposes to your original post (#2), and in other threads. Since your opinion was that you felt it was programmed poorly, the onus was on you to prove your opinion if you wanted to convince that yes it was programmed poorly by stating specific examples in the code and providing ways that it could be resolved.

Or you could jsut make broad, almost flame-like statements with no proof or suggestions to back them up and hope that folks would be magically convinced. That usually has a much lower success rate thought.

Then again, my reply to your post was considered "unintelligent" so it will most likely be ignored by it's primary target audience, but at least others will be able to enjoy this for what it's worth.

canadiancreed · 06-03-2006, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockpsl76

Actually I just want my money back. I have no interest in playing this game any longer.

try PM'ing Marc Duffy. He may be able to direct your request to the proper folks.

canadiancreed · 06-03-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Im a programmer...I just programed my TiVO to record all World Cup games, and I can tell you this is a very well programed game.

endgame · 06-03-2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MTXperience

As a programmer myself, I'd like you to back up this comment in some way. Show us an app of yours there big guy. Give us Exhibit A of why the game is "poorly programmed". Note the 2 m's... that's what us in the profesion call correct spelling.

Not, as Originally Posted by Willrogers,

[quote=MTXperience]As a programmer myself, I'd like you to back up this comment in some way. Show us an app of yours there big guy. Give us Exhibit A of why the game is "poorly programmed". Note the 2 m's... that's what us in the profesion call correct spelling.

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Originally Posted by Willrogers

Profession LOL Note the 2 s' chief

I like this game. Note that if you start a quote, it is customary to end the quote with [ /quote ]

Bears5122 · 06-03-2006, 03:25 PM

I don't think the programming is poor at all. I just think the game isn't finished which is why a lot of people are having problems with crashes and such. It's not a knock on them, but I think they had their backs up against a wall with a deadline and had to get something out.

Willrogers · 06-03-2006, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by endgame

I like this game. Note that if you start a quote, it is customary to end the quote with [ /quote ]

thanks

huskerdan25 · 06-03-2006, 03:44 PM

Rockpsl76 is the second person I have seen post in the general discussion forum about having crashing problems but as you know, you are able to check to see previous posts by users and he has not once posted to the technical support forum asking for help. If you are having issues with the game crashing (I've had one crash happen since I started playing with the game) and you would like to find a solution to the problem, why haven't you posted to the technical support forum asking for assistance. There, you can post your computer configuration and other important information that will help the fine support team try to recreate the problem and find a solution, if there is one. But, to simply come here and whine about having 30 crashes in 10 hours of playing the game and not taking any steps to try to find a solution is frankly stupid. Are you serious about trying to run the game or are you just here to whine and moan and cry for your money back?

There have been people who have posted a number of times about crash issues and in some of them, the solution was changing a setting on their computers. There is no way a development team can foresee every possible computer configuation and code to them to make sure these things don't happen. In a number of cases, the problem wasn't the game at all but it was the users computer/operating system setup.

I'm a programmer as well and it is downright silly to say it was poorly programmed. And you being a programmer doesn't all of a sudden make you an authority on the subject. I have been in the software development field for over 20+ years and I have worked with my share of ****ty programmers.

I agree with those here who have been saying that it is fine to express your opinion on the game but at least be constructive about it. I have run into a few problems with the game myself, but overall, this game is incredible and is a huge improvement over previous versions of the game. I look forward to the bugs getting fixed and having a great game to enjoy for years to come.

06-03-2006, 03:44 PM	#32
huskerdan25 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 352	Rockpsl76 is the second person I have seen post in the general discussion forum about having crashing problems but as you know, you are able to check to see previous posts by users and he has not once posted to the technical support forum asking for help. If you are having issues with the game crashing (I've had one crash happen since I started playing with the game) and you would like to find a solution to the problem, why haven't you posted to the technical support forum asking for assistance. There, you can post your computer configuration and other important information that will help the fine support team try to recreate the problem and find a solution, if there is one. But, to simply come here and whine about having 30 crashes in 10 hours of playing the game and not taking any steps to try to find a solution is frankly stupid. Are you serious about trying to run the game or are you just here to whine and moan and cry for your money back? There have been people who have posted a number of times about crash issues and in some of them, the solution was changing a setting on their computers. There is no way a development team can foresee every possible computer configuation and code to them to make sure these things don't happen. In a number of cases, the problem wasn't the game at all but it was the users computer/operating system setup. I'm a programmer as well and it is downright silly to say it was poorly programmed. And you being a programmer doesn't all of a sudden make you an authority on the subject. I have been in the software development field for over 20+ years and I have worked with my share of ****ty programmers. I agree with those here who have been saying that it is fine to express your opinion on the game but at least be constructive about it. I have run into a few problems with the game myself, but overall, this game is incredible and is a huge improvement over previous versions of the game. I look forward to the bugs getting fixed and having a great game to enjoy for years to come. __________________

06-03-2006, 12:58 PM	#22
Willrogers Bat Boy Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4	[quote=MTXperience]As a programmer myself, I'd like you to back up this comment in some way. Show us an app of yours there big guy. Give us Exhibit A of why the game is "poorly programmed". Note the 2 m's... that's what us in the profesion call correct spelling. Profession LOL Note the 2 s' chief

06-03-2006, 03:25 PM	#30
Bears5122 All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 847	I don't think the programming is poor at all. I just think the game isn't finished which is why a lot of people are having problems with crashes and such. It's not a knock on them, but I think they had their backs up against a wall with a deadline and had to get something out.