TO suspended for entire season - Page 2

JDOldSchool · 11-07-2005, 07:50 PM

The Eagles are probably my least favorite NFL team now. Sorry Green Bay and Dallas, utter stupidity trumps all in my hatred of sports franchises.

jazzrack · 11-07-2005, 07:55 PM

after being forced to listen to TO when he played in SF he is simply a class A jackass, plain & simple. anybody who wants to blame the media or the eagles or anybody other than TO is simply kidding themselve. If there was no media at all TO would still be a class A jackass. he simply got what he deserved

JDOldSchool · 11-07-2005, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzrack

after being forced to listen to TO when he played in SF he is simply a class A jackass, plain & simple. anybody who wants to blame the media or the eagles or anybody other than TO is simply kidding themselve. If there was no media at all TO would still be a class A jackass. he simply got what he deserved

I would say there have been about 10,000 greater jerks in the history of pro sports. Owens, this time at least, didn't really say anything horrible. As I said in the thread I started on Owens - there's guys who actually are bad human beings and not just bad teammates who get a free pass. They're the ones who deserved to get blackballed, not the best damn receiver in the league who also happens to be one of the hardest working.

drprestwood · 11-07-2005, 08:07 PM

I think the things he said were a problem. I also think starting a fistfight with Hugh Douglas, who is essentially management, was a bad idea. And all of the other stuff.

Erik W. · 11-07-2005, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Owens, this time at least, didn't really say anything horrible.

Go tell the media that the company you work for has no class. Then refuse to do as your boss instructs to try to rectify the situation. While you're at it, punch someone in middle management a few times.

Think you'll have a job? If you wouldn't, why should TO?

Spielman · 11-07-2005, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Azamien

Go tell the media that the company you work for has no class. Then refuse to do as your boss instructs to try to rectify the situation. While you're at it, punch someone in middle management a few times.

Don't tempt me.

Erik W. · 11-07-2005, 08:19 PM

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Don't tempt me.

Skipaway · 11-07-2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Azamien

Go tell the media that the company you work for has no class. Then refuse to do as your boss instructs to try to rectify the situation. While you're at it, punch someone in middle management a few times.

Think you'll have a job? If you wouldn't, why should TO?

It actually depends. Unions often use similar strategies, and important employees too.

Skipaway · 11-07-2005, 08:24 PM

For example, if you are a CTO in a high tech company, and you riot against the CEO in public, there might chances the CEO would get replaced.

Jeremy Weimer · 11-07-2005, 08:37 PM

I agree with everything that Skipaway...wait, no. Ahahahaha.

JDOldSchool · 11-07-2005, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by drprestwood

I think the things he said were a problem.

Like what? Specifically? The part about no class? Well, his reasoning was wrong but I think Philly's actions over the past few months have proven TO to be exactly right.

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I also think starting a fistfight with Hugh Douglas, who is essentially management, was a bad idea. And all of the other stuff.

Learn to read. Douglas started it. What other stuff?

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Originally Posted by Azamien

Go tell the media that the company you work for has no class. Then refuse to do as your boss instructs to try to rectify the situation. While you're at it, punch someone in middle management a few times.

Think you'll have a job? If you wouldn't, why should TO?

Owens did apologize for the comment on the Eagles having no class. I don't see why he should have had to apologize to his teammates when his teammates had nothing to do with the situation. Let's take your (horribly misplaced and not even remotely similar) analogy of a regular workplace: If you have an issue with management, do you have to make things right with those on the same level as you? That doesn't make sense.

Oh, and Owens didn't punch anybody. He also wasn't the one who was overstepping his bounds and questioning the legitimacy of an injury. Hugh Douglas is middle management? Huh? No, sorry. Analogy doesn't apply. Hugh Douglas is a guy who wasn't good enough to make the team. He's also the guy who, before he was cut from the team ripped Owens repeatedly in the media for wanting more money. You know, the thing Douglas left Philly for. More money.

Jason Moyer · 11-07-2005, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Learn to read. Douglas started it.

No one over the age of 13 should honestly believe that a physical fight starts with someone saying something. Hugh hit a nerve, and TO tried to hit him...then tried to start fights with McNabb and other people.

I dunno. If my boss said "Jason, stop pretending you're hurt and do some work" and I tried to punch him, I'm pretty sure I'd be looking for a new job. Granted, sports management tends not to expect athletes to be mature enough to deal with reality in the same way other professions do.

Edit: I actually find it amusing that the latest incident involved Douglas, because TO chose to show how little class he has against someone who demonstrates how well the Eagles management looks after the team. The only thing worse would have been starting a fight with Trotter.

crackpott · 11-07-2005, 08:48 PM

...keep in mind I'm an Eagles fan.

It's more just off principle than anything. Even if this hurts the team in the standings, I'm glad to see them do this, mainly because I'm sick of individual athletes acting like they're more important than the team. I also find it funny how they've been giving extentions to the players who weren't publicly whining about it one year into signing a deal.

JDOldSchool · 11-07-2005, 08:54 PM

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No one over the age of 13 should honestly believe that a physical fight starts with someone saying something. Hugh hit a nerve, and TO tried to hit him...then tried to start fights with McNabb and other people.

I dunno. If my boss said "Jason, stop pretending you're hurt and do some work" and I tried to punch him, I'm pretty sure I'd be looking for a new job. Granted, sports management tends not to expect athletes to be mature enough to deal with reality in the same way other professions do.

You don't know (and neither do I) how it went down, so I don't think it's right to make any assumptions. All we do know is that the whole incident would not have happened if Douglas hadn't opened his fat mouth. And why do people keep trying to make comparisons that just aren't close to the same thing? First of all, Hugh Douglas isn't his boss. He's not in a position of authority over Owens, either. He's a team "ambassador" which basically makes him a human mascot who does radio and TV. That's not a boss. That's a nobody.

JDOldSchool · 11-07-2005, 08:55 PM

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I also find it funny how they've been giving extentions to the players who weren't publicly whining about it one year into signing a deal.

Well, Westbrook basically did the exact same thing Owens did...but let's not let facts get in the way of bias.

Jason Moyer · 11-07-2005, 09:03 PM

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And why do people keep trying to make comparisons that just aren't close to the same thing? First of all, Hugh Douglas isn't his boss. He's not in a position of authority over Owens, either. He's a team "ambassador" which basically makes him a human mascot who does radio and TV. That's not a boss. That's a nobody.

He's an Eagles employee. He's not a player. He's doesn't work for the stadium or the city. I'd assume that makes him management, and I'd also assume that puts him in a position of authority over the players, unless the Eagles have an unusual organizational structure.

If I work for a company in a high level position that doesn't mean I can throw a punch at someone in low-level middle management if they criticize my work ethic. A senior engineer at an IT company can't physically assault a tech support supervisor just because he might criticize his work or call him incompetent.

twins15 · 11-07-2005, 09:04 PM

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You don't know (and neither do I) how it went down, so I don't think it's right to make any assumptions.

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Learn to read. Douglas started it.

Deal.

Jason Moyer · 11-07-2005, 09:05 PM

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Well, Westbrook basically did the exact same thing Owens did...but let's not let facts get in the way of bias.

I'll take bias over complete delusion. Thx.

GForce · 11-07-2005, 09:16 PM

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Deal.

Believe this merits a game.set.match.

Well played

GH

sebastian0622 · 11-07-2005, 09:30 PM

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Deal.

Ooooh folks, that one's gotta hurt...

11-07-2005, 07:55 PM	#22
jazzrack Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: still kicking Posts: 3,229	after being forced to listen to TO when he played in SF he is simply a class A jackass, plain & simple. anybody who wants to blame the media or the eagles or anybody other than TO is simply kidding themselve. If there was no media at all TO would still be a class A jackass. he simply got what he deserved __________________ . "Never confuse composure for ease" Was once Head Cheese of Corporate League Baseball

11-07-2005, 08:24 PM	#29
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	For example, if you are a CTO in a high tech company, and you riot against the CEO in public, there might chances the CEO would get replaced. __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

11-07-2005, 08:48 PM	#33
crackpott Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,961	...keep in mind I'm an Eagles fan. It's more just off principle than anything. Even if this hurts the team in the standings, I'm glad to see them do this, mainly because I'm sick of individual athletes acting like they're more important than the team. I also find it funny how they've been giving extentions to the players who weren't publicly whining about it one year into signing a deal. __________________ Abandoned Planet - Check it out. The photos don't suck anymore.

11-07-2005, 07:50 PM	#21
JDOldSchool Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,023	The Eagles are probably my least favorite NFL team now. Sorry Green Bay and Dallas, utter stupidity trumps all in my hatred of sports franchises.

11-07-2005, 08:07 PM	#24
drprestwood All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,501	I think the things he said were a problem. I also think starting a fistfight with Hugh Douglas, who is essentially management, was a bad idea. And all of the other stuff.

11-07-2005, 08:37 PM	#30
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	I agree with everything that Skipaway...wait, no. Ahahahaha.