And the MLB 2020 season negotiations begin

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by knightdreamer2k

The competitive balance is then ruined because of players missing time

Like with every other injury?

[Syd Thrift]

It *is* pretty onerous to have to be quarantined away from your family for what amounts to 3 months. That isn't to say that this issue oughtn't to have been addressed; there were still realistically only the two options (quarantine like the NBA did or cancel the season). I'm just not seeing a way to reconcile a quarantine with the families issue, and "let's not quarantine" should never have been one of the options that could be agreed upon, so in the end they're both pretty much responsible for whatever happens...

[knightdreamer2k]

Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

I have forgotten, what were the numbers like on average length of extra inning games and average number of extra inning games per season? iirc, 80-85% end by the 12th inning.

I don't care for the new rule either though I am sure I'll get used to it. It just seems that of all the potential things MLB could try to improve, this wasn't an area where improvement was needed. Maybe it's just me but one of the best times to watch baseball is when it is close or tied in the ninth inning. Extra innings provide more of that excitement. Diminishing an exciting part of the game seems like a solution searching for a problem to me.

I see where you are coming from. I don't mind ties because I am use to it in soccer perhaps or just don't think it is a bad thing.

I personally have never been into long extra inning games. Usually there length because after 14 innings I am just hoping the game ends. Especially when there is hardly any scoring going on. The next big reason is for me is that the bullpen becomes taxed and this carries over into the next game with more pitchers being unavailable.

[dkgo]

Originally Posted by Westheim

Like with every other injury?

This is so stupid. No it is not normal for every team to be at risk of half the players becoming unavailable for weeks at a days notice.

Oh yeah, and with a deadly contagious disease that literally kills other people not just a bum shoulder.

[Argonaut]

Baseball has been making an endless series of wrong decisions since December. It's almost impressive how often they've got it wrong. The only thing right was Jeter/Walker making it to the HOF (although that was up to the writers). Bubble city would have been the way to go.

For some reason it's hockey that seems to be handling this the best right now. The NHL has had it's share of mismanagement over the years, but right now it's the exemplar sports league in North America for sure.

[Eric]

With regard to the new extra inning rule (which may be a moot point now), is there a reason why the visiting team should not intentionally walk the first batter of the bottom of the inning of an extra inning game if the game is still tied?

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Eric

With regard to the new extra inning rule (which may be a moot point now), is there a reason why the visiting team should not intentionally walk the first batter of the bottom of the inning of an extra inning game if the game is still tied?

Because the difference between runners on at 1st and 2nd with no outs and a runner on 2nd with no outs is negligible?

http://www.tangotiger.net/re24.html

Tom Tango has it as a 61.4% that teams will score at least once with a runner on at 2nd with no outs and a 61.0% that they'll score at least once with runners on at 1st and 2nd with no outs. I'm sure that will equate to "if the hitter is above average then walk him" but it also means that if you're facing the bottom of the order or close to it, you probably have a better chance of getting the 3 guys you'd normally face out.

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by dkgo

This is so stupid. No it is not normal for every team to be at risk of half the players becoming unavailable for weeks at a days notice.

Oh yeah, and with a deadly contagious disease that literally kills other people not just a bum shoulder.

The post quoted was about competitive balance. Ignoring the fact that that is an ideal rarely reached in baseball, by that bit of reasoning every single previous season would have ended in April due to X amount of injuries for that Team A and none for Team B.

[Westheim]

Originally Posted by Eric

With regard to the new extra inning rule (which may be a moot point now), is there a reason why the visiting team should not intentionally walk the first batter of the bottom of the inning of an extra inning game if the game is still tied?

If you have good infield defense, go for it.

If you're the Mets..... (sharply draws in air between his teeth)

[dkgo]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Because the difference between runners on at 1st and 2nd with no outs and a runner on 2nd with no outs is negligible?

http://www.tangotiger.net/re24.html

Tom Tango has it as a 61.4% that teams will score at least once with a runner on at 2nd with no outs and a 61.0% that they'll score at least once with runners on at 1st and 2nd with no outs. I'm sure that will equate to "if the hitter is above average then walk him" but it also means that if you're facing the bottom of the order or close to it, you probably have a better chance of getting the 3 guys you'd normally face out.

Those numbers are true in general, but the offensive team can play very differently when instead of trying to maximize expected runs they are only trying to maximize the chance of scoring exactly one.

I wouldn't intentionally walk automatically, but I'd be sure not to throw anything hittable either.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by dkgo

Those numbers are true in general, but the offensive team can play very differently when instead of trying to maximize expected runs they are only trying to maximize the chance of scoring exactly one.

I wouldn't intentionally walk automatically, but I'd be sure not to throw anything hittable either.

Not really, though. The chance of scoring 1 run if you sacrifice the runner to 3rd only increase to 66.0% (1 out, runner on 3rd) - which, if a sacrifice is successful at an 85% rate pretty much makes it a break even proposition - and from there quite frankly teams do not squeeze bunt very often. There’s a reason why “scoring position” starts at 2nd, not 3rd: it’s very easy for a fast runner to score from either base on a base hit to the outfield, likely easier than normal if the batting team gets to choose their runner.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Not really, though. The chance of scoring 1 run if you sacrifice the runner to 3rd only increase to 66.0% (1 out, runner on 3rd) - which, if a sacrifice is successful at an 85% rate pretty much makes it a break even proposition - and from there quite frankly teams do not squeeze bunt very often. There’s a reason why “scoring position” starts at 2nd, not 3rd: it’s very easy for a fast runner to score from either base on a base hit to the outfield, likely easier than normal if the batting team gets to choose their runner.

2903 out of 4844 times (65%) in 2019 a player on second scored on a single
https://www.baseball-reference.com/l...-batting.shtml

[cephasjames]

MLB has no plans to cancel or pause 2020 season after Marlins coronavirus outbreak, per reports

[pilight]

ESPN seems to be betting on the MLB season being stopped soon. They've added 13 more WNBA games to their TV schedule in August and September.

[TheMaus2]

wnba deserves

[knightdreamer2k]

I will be disappointed if they cancel the season, like many other people. Not because an abnormal season like this feels authentic more due this year we would be getting something different. More like an experiment. When I play ootp I usually play a fictional league with a short season. There is an excitement in a short season like this because every game is important. With 16 teams making the playoffs it also should mean that everyone is going to play until the end.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

And going out in their communities

And interacting with flight staff, bus drivers, hotel staff, stadium staff, etc...

Phillies club house attendant has tested positive.

[Syd Thrift]

And the Nationals just voted not to travel to Miami to play the Marlins this weekend. What’s going to happen to those games? Are we going to see 3 forfeits because players understandably don’t want to get sick?

https://twitter.com/ken_rosenthal/st...696957441?s=21

[BBGiovanni]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

And the Nationals just voted not to travel to Miami to play the Marlins this weekend. What’s going to happen to those games? Are we going to see 3 forfeits because players understandably don’t want to get sick?

https://twitter.com/ken_rosenthal/st...696957441?s=21

Funny that you ask, when I loaded up MLB.tv I noticed the unplayed games from last night were listed as "final" instead of "postponed" as they usually would be... I don't assume that's official but maybe that's what they're doing, for a nice 1870 National Association schedule where some teams play 60 and some play 40?

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

And the Nationals just voted not to travel to Miami to play the Marlins this weekend. What’s going to happen to those games? Are we going to see 3 forfeits because players understandably don’t want to get sick?

https://twitter.com/ken_rosenthal/st...696957441?s=21

I don't think anyone knows

Because it doesn't look like MLB and MLBPA did much on protocols for this kinda thing, which, not great