2023 NFL Off season News - Page 17

Cobra Mgr · 08-30-2023, 05:18 PM

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Disagree all you want. So long as you agree that my opinion has equal validity, we're good.

Ragnar · 08-30-2023, 08:40 PM

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So New England has one QB?

Love this tweet

The tweet was great.

Having 1 QB right now really doesn't matter. He'll pick someone up before the season starts. I can't tell you how many times the Cowboys cut Cooper Rush, only to have him come back. I lost count.

Syd Thrift · 08-30-2023, 10:41 PM

They now have 2 QBs on their practice squad anyway and I'm sure will sign someone like Brent Rypien or Nathan Peterman to fill that role by Sunday (or Colt McCoy but McCoy seems to be completely done given how he was unable to win a job in Arizona over a 5th round pick and an unknown).

Cobra Mgr · 08-30-2023, 11:24 PM

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They now have 2 QBs on their practice squad anyway and I'm sure will sign someone like Brent Rypien or Nathan Peterman to fill that role by Sunday (or Colt McCoy but McCoy seems to be completely done given how he was unable to win a job in Arizona over a 5th round pick and an unknown).

McCoy was admittedly bad. But the Cards are obviously frantic for the 1st pick.

Cobra Mgr · 08-30-2023, 11:34 PM

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Ex-Cards' exec levels charges against owner

I'm sure Roger Goodell will be a stern, fair, unbiased judge who will look to make sure all parties are treated justly and that any wrongdoing will be met w/warranted penalties.

Ex Coach Steve Wilks testimony largely backs McDonough's claims.

thehef · 08-31-2023, 02:56 AM

We can wait and see if Goodell comes down as hard as MLB has historically punished managers - who have been throw out of a game - who have lurked in the shadows of the dugout runway and continued to manage games... Oh, the horror...

Ragnar · 08-31-2023, 09:55 AM

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McCoy was admittedly bad. But the Cards are obviously frantic for the 1st pick.

The Cards are actively tanking. They want to get a haul for that #1 pick. Because they're stuck with the midget at QB.

Syd Thrift · 08-31-2023, 11:22 AM

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McCoy was admittedly bad. But the Cards are obviously frantic for the 1st pick.

Frantic or not, you do need a guy who can throw the football at quarterback. The upside of Colt McCoy was supposed to be that he'd be a serviceable guy who'd serviceably lose 15 games for them and get dumped after the season was over in favor of <literally anyone but Kyler Murray is still on the team>.

This reminds me a little bit of the Cards' situation around a decade ago when Kevin Kolb got hurt early in the year and they started guys like John Skelton the rest of the way, except that they were forced into Skelton by injury, not direct choice.

Cobra Mgr · 08-31-2023, 12:56 PM

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Frantic or not, you do need a guy who can throw the football at quarterback. The upside of Colt McCoy was supposed to be that he'd be a serviceable guy who'd serviceably lose 15 games for them and get dumped after the season was over in favor of <literally anyone but Kyler Murray is still on the team>.

This reminds me a little bit of the Cards' situation around a decade ago when Kevin Kolb got hurt early in the year and they started guys like John Skelton the rest of the way, except that they were forced into Skelton by injury, not direct choice.

You do need a QB to throw.....if your intent is to win. If it isn't, then having a WR behind center is ideal. My point is McCoy may indeed be horrible, but we can't necessarily say he was cut because he was the worst choice for the Cards chances to win. There could have been ulterior motives.

Syd Thrift · 08-31-2023, 01:12 PM

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You do need a QB to throw.....if your intent is to win. If it isn't, then having a WR behind center is ideal. My point is McCoy may indeed be horrible, but we can't necessarily say he was cut because he was the worst choice for the Cards chances to win. There could have been ulterior motives.

It might not be as bad as not having a functional offensive line (because then you're risking injury to your QB and RBs) but it's still pretty bad: without a functional QB you can't really evaluate anything on offense. I remember waaay back in the day my Seahawks got themselves into a position like this, although they did think that their guy (Kelly Stouffer) would be OK. He... was not. He, Dan McGwire (Mark's little brother) and NFL-Europe star Stan Gelbaugh combined to provide one of the all-time worst offenses in NFL history. It was pretty much impossible to evaluate any of the receivers - there was one guy (Brian Blades) we already knew was pretty good but the rest of the corps may as well have been castoffs, and even the running back, a guy named Chris Warren, was hard to read because on the one hand defenses keyed on him because he was the only functional part of the offense but then also the team would often give him the ball on obvious passing downs for the same reason.

The next year the team drafted Rick Mirer, who was of course a well-known bust but even at that it was at least possible to look at a WR and say "oh yeah, this guy stinks" instead of being like "I think this guy just isn't getting open but the QB is never in the pocket long enough to let him complete his route so who knows". Mirer wound up being a very limited player but still the kind of limited you can make decisions with.

Cobra Mgr · 08-31-2023, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

It might not be as bad as not having a functional offensive line (because then you're risking injury to your QB and RBs) but it's still pretty bad: without a functional QB you can't really evaluate anything on offense. I remember waaay back in the day my Seahawks got themselves into a position like this, although they did think that their guy (Kelly Stouffer) would be OK. He... was not. He, Dan McGwire (Mark's little brother) and NFL-Europe star Stan Gelbaugh combined to provide one of the all-time worst offenses in NFL history. It was pretty much impossible to evaluate any of the receivers - there was one guy (Brian Blades) we already knew was pretty good but the rest of the corps may as well have been castoffs, and even the running back, a guy named Chris Warren, was hard to read because on the one hand defenses keyed on him because he was the only functional part of the offense but then also the team would often give him the ball on obvious passing downs for the same reason.

The next year the team drafted Rick Mirer, who was of course a well-known bust but even at that it was at least possible to look at a WR and say "oh yeah, this guy stinks" instead of being like "I think this guy just isn't getting open but the QB is never in the pocket long enough to let him complete his route so who knows". Mirer wound up being a very limited player but still the kind of limited you can make decisions with.

I remember those days. I was a Seahawk fan til the mid-late 90's. Wasn't Blades the one who shot his cousin cause he missed his brother?

Cobra Mgr · 08-31-2023, 06:29 PM

Vikes TE Hockenson signed a 4 yr extension for a minimum $47.2M.

As a reminder, Saquon Barkley signed a one yr deal for $8M & some change w/a $2M bonus.

Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be RB's.

Cobra Mgr · 08-31-2023, 06:51 PM

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So New England has one QB?

Pats picked up Matt Corrall 3rd stringer for the Panthers. They re-signed Zappe & Cunningham to the practice squad. So now there are 4 QB's on the NE payroll.

Ragnar · 08-31-2023, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

It might not be as bad as not having a functional offensive line (because then you're risking injury to your QB and RBs) but it's still pretty bad: without a functional QB you can't really evaluate anything on offense. I remember waaay back in the day my Seahawks got themselves into a position like this, although they did think that their guy (Kelly Stouffer) would be OK. He... was not. He, Dan McGwire (Mark's little brother) and NFL-Europe star Stan Gelbaugh combined to provide one of the all-time worst offenses in NFL history. It was pretty much impossible to evaluate any of the receivers - there was one guy (Brian Blades) we already knew was pretty good but the rest of the corps may as well have been castoffs, and even the running back, a guy named Chris Warren, was hard to read because on the one hand defenses keyed on him because he was the only functional part of the offense but then also the team would often give him the ball on obvious passing downs for the same reason.

The next year the team drafted Rick Mirer, who was of course a well-known bust but even at that it was at least possible to look at a WR and say "oh yeah, this guy stinks" instead of being like "I think this guy just isn't getting open but the QB is never in the pocket long enough to let him complete his route so who knows". Mirer wound up being a very limited player but still the kind of limited you can make decisions with.

You're assuming they want to. Coaches and players play to win. It's the GM that tanks. They supply the coaches with hot garbage. Although McCoy isn't very good, he's their best chance to win. That's why he was released. Better to win 1 game than to win 4 games.

Cobra Mgr · 08-31-2023, 08:43 PM

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You're assuming they want to. Coaches and players play to win. It's the GM that tanks. They supply the coaches with hot garbage. Although McCoy isn't very good, he's their best chance to win. That's why he was released. Better to win 1 game than to win 4 games.

Cobra Mgr · 08-31-2023, 10:04 PM

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Pats picked up Matt Corrall 3rd stringer for the Panthers. They re-signed Zappe & Cunningham to the practice squad. So now there are 4 QB's on the NE payroll.

Just remembered Carolina traded 2 picks to move up & pick Matt Carroll. Who did they trade them to? New England.

So these dummies essentially traded 2 selections for the privilege of selecting NE's backup QB.

BaseballMan · 09-03-2023, 12:38 AM

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The Cards are actively tanking. They want to get a haul for that #1 pick. Because they're stuck with the midget at QB.

They chose that midget so now everyone else has to suffer?
Maybe management is tanking but not sure how you can tell the difference
between tanking and just bad management.
Not sure how players feel about tanking when they may or may not be there next year. If they are not kept then do they really want another team looking at stats that are below their career average?
If a player is over 30 any sign of decline could be trouble for them.
How bout the young player that is trying to becoming a starter?
Maybe some players will just show up for the check but i don't know if they will tank.
What good is tanking anyway?
There's no guarantee the player that they draft will be any good.
What teams will want to trade for their players and what free agents will want to go there?
You give a team an excuse to lose and it could become a habit.
I remember the 2006 Raiders were terrible. But i highly doubt they tanked to get Jamarcus Russell.
Nope. That was just Al being senile.

Ragnar · 09-03-2023, 07:06 AM

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They chose that midget so now everyone else has to suffer?
Maybe management is tanking but not sure how you can tell the difference
between tanking and just bad management.

By their situation, and what they do as a result. The Card weren't going to have a good season this year. Murray is still injured and would play for half the season. They traded Hopkins, traded Isaiah Simmons, and released the best crap QB on their roster.

The Cards had the most money in free agency and they picked up Josh Dobbs. That means they don't intend to play Murray all year. That's not bad management.

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Not sure how players feel about tanking when they may or may not be there next year. If they are not kept then do they really want another team looking at stats that are below their career average?
If a player is over 30 any sign of decline could be trouble for them.
How bout the young player that is trying to becoming a starter?
Maybe some players will just show up for the check but i don't know if they will tank.

Good players don't like it. Minkah Fitzpatrick asked for a trade from the Dolphins as a result. But players that aren't very good, what leverage do they have?

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What good is tanking anyway?

Ask the Cincinnati Bengals and Jacksonville Jaguars.

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There's no guarantee the player that they draft will be any good.
What teams will want to trade for their players and what free agents will want to go there?

Most free agents go where the money is, not where they think they can win. Besides, in today's NFL, if you hit on a few draft picks, you can transform your team in a year or two. And the Cards are looking to have two top five picks in next year's draft. Plenty of money to spend in FA, and an inflated cap if they choose to roll over that space.

Until recently, the Cowboys have been a good example of bad management. They haven't tanked since 1989. It's just not what they do. They're happy with a bunch of average seasons and a few good years sprinkled in. An average season is the worst thing you can have. You have 1 mid round draft pick and your chances of improving are slim. Having terrible years is what improves a bad to average team.

Had Dak Prescott not broken his ankle back in 2020 the team would not be as good as they are now. Even though they did not actively tank, they went 6-10 as a result of losing their starting QB. That got them Micah Parsons and Trevon Diggs. Along with some other players, that transformed their defense overnight.

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thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,345	We can wait and see if Goodell comes down as hard as MLB has historically punished managers - who have been throw out of a game - who have lurked in the shadows of the dugout runway and continued to manage games... Oh, the horror...