The 2023 NFL Season Thread

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by mytreds

Seattles home field advantage is immense.

The data says otherwise. Seattle's home record for the last ten seasons (2013–2022):

2022 = 5-4
2021 = 3-5
2020 = 7-1
2019 = 4-4
2018 = 6-2
2017 = 4-4
2016 = 7-1
2015 = 5-3
2014 = 7-1
2013 = 7-1

Outside of the 2013, 2014, 2016, and 2020 seasons, Seattle has been mostly average at home. The club is 2-1 at home so far in 2023.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Le Grande Orange

The data says otherwise. Seattle's home record for the last ten seasons (2013–2022):

2022 = 5-4
2021 = 3-5
2020 = 7-1
2019 = 4-4
2018 = 6-2
2017 = 4-4
2016 = 7-1
2015 = 5-3
2014 = 7-1
2013 = 7-1

Outside of the 2013, 2014, and 2020 seasons, Seattle has been mostly average at home. The club is 2-1 at home so far in 2023.

You forgot 2016 too.

I think home advantage is better measured when compared w/the road record. Is it giving the team an advantage or is the team just good overall. If a team is 6-2 at home & on the road, the team is mostly just good. But if they are 6-2 @ home & 2-6 on the road, then you can say they are getting a boost.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

You forgot 2016 too.

Noted. I'll correct the post.

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

I think home advantage is better measured when compared w/the road record. Is it giving the team an advantage or is the team just good overall. If a team is 6-2 at home & on the road, the team is mostly just good. But if they are 6-2 @ home & 2-6 on the road, then you can say they are getting a boost.

In 2019, Seattle went 4-4 at home but 7-1 on the road.

[Cobra Mgr]

Just when you thought the world was safe from Sam Darnold..........

[Cobra Mgr]

Not the NFL, but.............

I count a PI, an INT, 2 FF's, 2 FR's & 6 PTs.

And why is the band playing?

[Le Grande Orange]

It's a YouTube short, a slightly less cancerous knock-off of TikTok's pure cancer.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Not the NFL, but.............

I count a PI, an INT, 2 FF's, 2 FR's & 6 PTs.

And why is the band playing?

You think that's crazy, check out these idiots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV0OTEbpNNQ

How do you now know this is a live ball? You learn this in like 4th grade football.

BTW, the QB for the losing team has a you tube channel called strong opinion sports.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

You think that's crazy, check out these idiots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV0OTEbpNNQ

How do you now know this is a live ball? You learn this in like 4th grade football.

BTW, the QB for the losing team has a you tube channel called strong opinion sports.

Doesn't shock me one bit. You will be surprised how many NFL players are in the league cause they are good. Not because they love it. Same in other sports.

You have the player that comes in to his workout on time, stays focused in practice, "clocks out", then moves on to other matters in life.

Then you have the player that is looking @ film an hour or 2 before mandatory workouts, watching NFL Network or SC while in the tub or on the exercise bike, asking questions in practice and offering suggestions, watches more film w/the coaches after practice, takes home video on his laptop, then relaxes w/Madden online vs teammates & friends, old & new. then goes to bed making sure there isn't any news on players he has in fantasy.

When Donovan McNabb didn't know NFL games could end in a tie, that taught me there are different levels even among the pros as to commitment to the sport. For some it is a job. For others, it is all they ever wanted to know.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Doesn't shock me one bit. You will be surprised how many NFL players are in the league cause they are good. Not because they love it. Same in other sports.

You have the player that comes in to his workout on time, stays focused in practice, "clocks out", then moves on to other matters in life.

Then you have the player that is looking @ film an hour or 2 before mandatory workouts, watching NFL Network or SC while in the tub or on the exercise bike, asking questions in practice and offering suggestions, watches more film w/the coaches after practice, takes home video on his laptop, then relaxes w/Madden online vs teammates & friends, old & new. then goes to bed making sure there isn't any news on players he has in fantasy.

When Donovan McNabb didn't know NFL games could end in a tie, that taught me there are different levels even among the pros as to commitment to the sport. For some it is a job. For others, it is all they ever wanted to know.

In the modern world of sports, to most it's just a job.

[Cobra Mgr]

Trades today.

Chase Young to Niners
Commanders also trade Montez Sweat to the Bears
Josh Dobbs going to Minnesota
Rasual Douglass going from GB to Buffalo
Browns trade WR Donovan Peoples-Jones to Detroit
Vikes sends Lineman Ezra Cleveland to Jax
ATL acquires DL Kentavius Street from Philly
Giants send DL Leonard Williams to Seattle

[Ragnar]

A little comedy. The Broncos played Taylor Swift songs after their victory against the Chiefs and as people were leaving the stadium.

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

In the modern world of sports, to most it's just a job.

Different sport, but this is why I can't seem to root for Team USA in Olympic basketball. For most anyway, it sure seems like it's about building their brand, not about actually representing the USA. Just another part of the job.

[Ragnar]

Can someone tell me what intentional grounding is? Because it's certainly not how its written in the rulebook.

I was watching a game that took place in the late 70s. Billy Kilmer was the QB for the Redskins. To avoid a sack, he threw a dart at his WRs feet. He was flagged for intentional grounding.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Can someone tell me what intentional grounding is? Because it's certainly not how its written in the rulebook.

I was watching a game that took place in the late 70s. Billy Kilmer was the QB for the Redskins. To avoid a sack, he threw a dart at his WRs feet. He was flagged for intentional grounding.

They've added a whole bunch of rules since the 70s. In fact, there very specifically was a focus on opening up the passing game in the mid to late 70s that led to a lot of rules being modified, holding in particular but also grounding. In the 80s you could throw the ball through the end zone and that didn't count as grounding. Marino used to do that all the time. They rescinded that rule but right now the rule is, in part, that if you're outside of where the tackles lined up to start the play, as long as the ball gets beyond the line of scrimmage it's not grounding no matter where it lands - in the 3rd row of the stands, at a receiver's feet, up a referee's butt.

Even if the QB is within the "pocket", it's a judgment play because the rules state that the receiver must not have a reasonable chance at catching the ball. If a receiver runs the wrong route and the closest guy is a defender, I don't think I've ever seen that called. Out of bounds, yeah, sure. I'm not sure I can remember a grounding call ever called, even in the 80s, when a QB throws it beyond the line of scrimmage and hard enough that it actually hits a receiver's feet (like, to a patch of ground that's nowhere particularly close to anyone, sure).

[thehef]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Can someone tell me what intentional grounding is? Because it's certainly not how its written in the rulebook.

I was watching a game that took place in the late 70s. Billy Kilmer was the QB for the Redskins. To avoid a sack, he threw a dart at his WRs feet. He was flagged for intentional grounding.

Yep, and back in those days guys like Kilmer, Griese, Stabler, Tarkenton... if they wanted to stop the clock, they couldn't just spike at their feet like they do now. They had to throw a dart out of bounds but in the direction of their wide receiver. Just one quick drop-back step, and then fire it over the head of the receiver, who basically wouldn't move from his spot on the line of scrimmage.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Can someone tell me what intentional grounding is? Because it's certainly not how its written in the rulebook.

I was watching a game that took place in the late 70s. Billy Kilmer was the QB for the Redskins. To avoid a sack, he threw a dart at his WRs feet. He was flagged for intentional grounding.

Here ya go. I'm sure the rules have changed in the last 45+ years. But the refs have been mandated to give the QB the benefit of the doubt. About the only time U see grounding called is if the QB is in the pocket or he doesn't get the ball to the LOS.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by Cobra Mgr

Here ya go. I'm sure the rules have changed in the last 45+ years. But the refs have been mandated to give the QB the benefit of the doubt. About the only time U see grounding called is if the QB is in the pocket or he doesn't get the ball to the LOS.

Ok. The main rule is, if a receiver doesn't have a realistic chance at catching the ball. As far as that part goes, the rules haven't changed. That's why I brought up the Kilmer play. Also don't forget, intentional plays a role too. If a WR and QB aren't on the same page, the ball goes long when the WR comes back, that's not intentional.

The rules that have changed would be the part about being in the pocket as opposed to outside the pocket. But the league seemed to have adopted a rule that isn't in the books. That if a WR is anywhere near the ball, it's not intentional grounding. That's not in the books.

On Monday night we saw textbook intentional grounding by Goff. But they didn't call it. Goff, while in the pocket, just threw the ball into the dirt. But since the ball sailed past Gibbs head, it was ok. Just change the rule in the book.

[Cobra Mgr]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

Ok. The main rule is, if a receiver doesn't have a realistic chance at catching the ball. As far as that part goes, the rules haven't changed. That's why I brought up the Kilmer play. Also don't forget, intentional plays a role too. If a WR and QB aren't on the same page, the ball goes long when the WR comes back, that's not intentional.

The rules that have changed would be the part about being in the pocket as opposed to outside the pocket. But the league seemed to have adopted a rule that isn't in the books. That if a WR is anywhere near the ball, it's not intentional grounding. That's not in the books.

On Monday night we saw textbook intentional grounding by Goff. But they didn't call it. Goff, while in the pocket, just threw the ball into the dirt. But since the ball sailed past Gibbs head, it was ok. Just change the rule in the book.

"It is a foul for intentional grounding if a passer, facing an imminent loss of yardage because of pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion. A realistic chance of completion is defined as a pass that is thrown in the direction of and lands in the vicinity of an originally eligible receiver."

I'm not sure what your point is here. If the passer isn't under duress, it's not intentional grounding. If it is in the vicinity of an eligible receiver, it's not intentional grounding. If the QB is out of the pocket & the ball makes it past the LOS it's not intentional grounding. It is all in the rule book.

[Cobra Mgr]

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